Page 5 | Stop bringing children in dungarees and pull-ups please.

Whatt · 2023-04-25T21:36:43+00:00

From all nursery workers everywhere. We hate pull-ups. They sag and are a bitch to change when you have a nappy round of 15 children. You have to take off the child's trousers and shoes to put on a new one. Some parents even have the audacity of putting socks, tight and dungarees on one child. And don't get me started on dungarees for toilet training children who cannot take them off themselves, why do that? Today a child who uses the toilet came in with a baby grow?! How is the child suppose to go to the toilet by themselves with a done up baby grow?

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booboo82 · 26/04/2023 11:21

Ballcactus · 26/04/2023 07:20

You know pull ups can be ripped off rather than pulled down the legs?

Right then how do you put on a new one ?

JenniferBarkley · 26/04/2023 11:29

Hey, hey, @Ballcactus - has anyone ever told you that you need to take the trousers off to put a clean nappy on? Anyone? Bet no one has ever mentioned it.

Eleven posts out of 101 you say?

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Whatt · 26/04/2023 11:38

Managment are aware and we all jokingly complain about it but I dont think they will actively tell the parents what they can and can't dress their children in.

If I had my own nursery that would be something that was mentioned during the show around and prospective parents could take it or leave it and choose a different nursery.

For the pps who don't care about staff members time, back or patience you are fueling the childcare worker crisis.

We already have a member of staff who has been told by their GP to not do manual handling due to her back, this has increased the load on the rest of us and sometimes having an almost 2 hour nappy round can leave you feeling like shit. Remember, we are not changing still dolls, we are changing wriggling children.

We need time to put on an apron and gloves and to spray down and wipe the mat after each child. You don't do these things at home so when you think of changing a nappy it feels simple.

Can you remember changing a nappy when our shopping in a toilet that has a nappy changing table and how stressful it is to keep the child on the table, to make sure you have wiped everything correctly and pulled everything up? Well thats what its like x15.

We work to ratio and everytime we are doing extended nappy rounds thats another staff member out of the room not interacting with your child.

Why would you actively do something that causes more stress ?

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00100001 · 26/04/2023 11:42

50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself · 26/04/2023 11:01

You completely missed the point.

But yes, my childs needs are more important than the desires of the staff paid to care for them.
I'm pretty confident you feel the same.

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Not really.

Your post implies that because you're paying for the service,you can demand what ever you want. Regardless of the fact that it's a shared setting where there's more to consider than one child.

You can't expect them to make (say) 30 different types of sandwich for lunch, because Sally wants cheese and white bread cut in triangles, but Sophie wants ham on brown bread in squares and Charlie doesn't even want a sandwich. Sometimes you just have to provide sandwiches and accept that in a nursery setting not every small accommodation can be made for every child and situation.

If you want an"bespoke" service, then get a nanny and tell them exactly what you prefer, because they'll have the time and resources to do that.

50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself · 26/04/2023 11:45

Your post implies that because you're paying for the service,you can demand what ever you want

It doesn't in the slightest. It even states that the same point holds even if there was no cost.
You chose to read it that way in order to have an argument that wasn't there. That's your choice.

If workers have an issue with their employment terms or practices, it is for them to sort out with their employers, not the service users. You know that. You agree with me. You wouldn't accept a cashier in Tesco telling you that you have to only use paper bags because they have a thing about plastic. And thats far less important than the care of your child!

50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself · 26/04/2023 11:47

You can't expect them to make (say) 30 different types of sandwich for lunch, because Sally wants cheese and white bread cut in triangles, but Sophie wants ham on brown bread in squares and Charlie doesn't even want a sandwich. Sometimes you just have to provide sandwiches and accept that in a nursery setting not every small accommodation can be made for every child and situation.

Thanks for making my point for me here. Yes, I provide the sandwiches. It isn't acceptable for the staff to tell me that I have to make them triangles because they want me to. My sandwiches, my choice.

If the nursery wants a specfic nappy, they can provide them. Where I am providing them, I choose.

Glad to see you realised you agree with me.

Skybluepinky · 26/04/2023 11:52

They r just awful, they fit very few children and leak far more than nappies.
As for the parents that r taken in by the claims they r better for wriggly babies, they rnt, a normal nappy takes a couple of seconds, pull ups take so much longer.
The only thing they r good for is over underwear when potty training, but even them poo still escapes.

sherbertyellowteddy · 26/04/2023 12:12

Pull ups are the absolute worst and I after years working in nurseries I never bought them for my own children. Ripping off a loose soiled nappy 🤮
And I agree, just comfy easy access clothes for potty training, it makes it SO much easier for your own child to access the toilet independently. Fiddly dungarees or tight buttons on jeans is a hinderance to your own child's potty training.
And converse! Yes! They are a nightmare to put back on.

But the attitude of someone on the thread make my decision not to go back into childcare the correct one. Childcare workers do not get paid the fees you are paying nursery. It is a very poorly paid role for the job that it is. Nobody goes into it for the wage.

Mummynew08 · 26/04/2023 12:23

50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself · 26/04/2023 10:30

Let's be clear on something here.

If you want parents to do something or not do something because its better/easier/nicer for the CHILD, that's absolutely fine.

If you want parents to do something or not do something because its easier/nicer for the STAFF, that is not fine.

We do not pay massive amounts of money (although the point is the exact same even if the care was free!) for childcare settings to be run on what is easier for the staff. If you have an issue with your job, take it up with your employer, not the people paying for the service.

I really couldn't disagree with this more strongly. Yes they should prioritise what's best for the children. But what about when there are two options that wouldn't affect the children, but one is much harder for the staff than the other, you'd want to pick the one that is best for the staff!

Tiny children do not give a monkey's whether they're in comfy joggers or comfy dungarees. But one is easier for the staff than the other.

If you go for the option that makes the staff lives' easier, they'll have more time to play with the kids, they'll be happier and more relaxed and every kid will benefit.

This is just so obvious to me, I can't believe anyone would see it differently and pick an option that deliberately makes it harder on the staff.

At my DD's nursery, the staff turnover is really low. Her key worker in the baby room had been there for 15 years. She'd looked after sets of siblings as they grew up. This is very rare in nurseries, and the kids undoubtedly benefit from continuity of staff. I've no doubt that the culture there, prioritising staff well being, benefits the kids and parents hugely.

If you treat staff like their well being doesn't matter, well, f-ck around and find out.

WinterofOurDiscountTentz · 26/04/2023 12:34

If you treat staff like their well being doesn't matter, well, f-ck around and find out

But like a pp said, that's a discussion that needs to be had with the staff and their management. If a change is needed from parents, it has to come from the management, not an individual staff member. All of whom could have different, easily opposing, ideas on what is best

I don't decide the policies and procedures of my workplace for myself and ask the clients to do whatever suits me. Who does?

Nicecow · 26/04/2023 12:36

Sorry haven't read the thread. Weird parents haven't thought about this themselves (maybe says something in itself, most parenta know these things), why don't you just tell the parents OP?

Nicecow · 26/04/2023 12:40

50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself · 26/04/2023 11:01

You completely missed the point.

But yes, my childs needs are more important than the desires of the staff paid to care for them.
I'm pretty confident you feel the same.

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If your child's needs are so important to you, why don't you raise them yourself instead of farming them off to a random to do YOUR job?

Mummynew08 · 26/04/2023 12:44

WinterofOurDiscountTentz · 26/04/2023 12:34

If you treat staff like their well being doesn't matter, well, f-ck around and find out

But like a pp said, that's a discussion that needs to be had with the staff and their management. If a change is needed from parents, it has to come from the management, not an individual staff member. All of whom could have different, easily opposing, ideas on what is best

I don't decide the policies and procedures of my workplace for myself and ask the clients to do whatever suits me. Who does?

But I have these casual conversations with the staff at DD's nursery all the time. I've developed a good enough working relationship with them that they can say casually at pickup "oh Mummynew, those dungarees were a bit of a nightmare to undo!" And I say gosh thanks for letting me know, I'll put her in something else next time. (We genuinely have moments like this all the time, recently her favourite hoodie was causing issues because of its shape so its now a softplay only hoodie.)

It doesn't have to go through management lol, what unbelievable overkill.

I recommend trying to develop this kind of relationship with the people who look after your child. It's better for everyone honestly.

50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself · 26/04/2023 12:47

Nicecow · 26/04/2023 12:40

If your child's needs are so important to you, why don't you raise them yourself instead of farming them off to a random to do YOUR job?

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Are you suggesting that people who use childcare are not raising their own children?
And that they don't get any input on their childs care when they are not there?

Also that the childcarers are "randoms"?

So much offensiveness in just one sentence. Impressive in its way.

strawberryfluff · 26/04/2023 12:48

Nicecow · 26/04/2023 12:40

If your child's needs are so important to you, why don't you raise them yourself instead of farming them off to a random to do YOUR job?

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00100001 · 26/04/2023 13:14

50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself · 26/04/2023 11:47

You can't expect them to make (say) 30 different types of sandwich for lunch, because Sally wants cheese and white bread cut in triangles, but Sophie wants ham on brown bread in squares and Charlie doesn't even want a sandwich. Sometimes you just have to provide sandwiches and accept that in a nursery setting not every small accommodation can be made for every child and situation.

Thanks for making my point for me here. Yes, I provide the sandwiches. It isn't acceptable for the staff to tell me that I have to make them triangles because they want me to. My sandwiches, my choice.

If the nursery wants a specfic nappy, they can provide them. Where I am providing them, I choose.

Glad to see you realised you agree with me.

No. Let's assume we all provide our own sandwiches for the children. You are now asking the nursery to provide 30 different plates, allow a child to eat in the garden, one to eat on a bean bag, 3 want to eat under the table and 10 all want to sit in the chair designed for 1, 4 of them want peanut butter sandwiches, despite 3 others having allergies...... But you're saying because you've paid for the child to eat their sandwiches at nursery, the staff should accommodate your personal requests no matter what...

Rycbar · 26/04/2023 13:15

Yes but you still need to take trousers off to put the new one on…

Lalavoom · 26/04/2023 13:16

50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself · 26/04/2023 10:30

Let's be clear on something here.

If you want parents to do something or not do something because its better/easier/nicer for the CHILD, that's absolutely fine.

If you want parents to do something or not do something because its easier/nicer for the STAFF, that is not fine.

We do not pay massive amounts of money (although the point is the exact same even if the care was free!) for childcare settings to be run on what is easier for the staff. If you have an issue with your job, take it up with your employer, not the people paying for the service.

But the more time the staff take changing children is more time away from the other children in the room

00100001 · 26/04/2023 13:16

Rycbar · 26/04/2023 13:15

Yes but you still need to take trousers off to put the new one on…

Cancel the cheque!

00100001 · 26/04/2023 13:17

Lalavoom · 26/04/2023 13:16

But the more time the staff take changing children is more time away from the other children in the room

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No no...PPs personal preference takes priority over everyone because she's PAID for the kid to be there. Fuck everyone else. Fuck the fact that 25 other families have also paid for their space,but obviously PPs kid is more important than yours...

50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself · 26/04/2023 13:18

00100001 · 26/04/2023 13:14

No. Let's assume we all provide our own sandwiches for the children. You are now asking the nursery to provide 30 different plates, allow a child to eat in the garden, one to eat on a bean bag, 3 want to eat under the table and 10 all want to sit in the chair designed for 1, 4 of them want peanut butter sandwiches, despite 3 others having allergies...... But you're saying because you've paid for the child to eat their sandwiches at nursery, the staff should accommodate your personal requests no matter what...

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No, thats not at all true, is it?
Putting your child in a pull up is not making ANY request, of any kind. The pull up is not affecting anyone else. It's not asking anything of anyone. The worker is simply complaining about doing their job: a nappy change.

that is their job, since when is "do your actual job" some sort of bizarre request akin to insisting on peanut butter when other kids have allergies?

I would say nice try, but it isn't. You're being ridiculous.

jannier · 26/04/2023 13:19

Ballcactus · 26/04/2023 07:20

You know pull ups can be ripped off rather than pulled down the legs?

We all know that the issue is putting new ones back on even the faffing one leg method....it's much easier to leave clothes/shoes on and do a nappy and much quicker for a lo who wants to go play taking 8 shoe and 1 leg out is an extra 20 minutes

50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself · 26/04/2023 13:19

00100001 · 26/04/2023 13:17

No no...PPs personal preference takes priority over everyone because she's PAID for the kid to be there. Fuck everyone else. Fuck the fact that 25 other families have also paid for their space,but obviously PPs kid is more important than yours...

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Christ, calm down!

It's a nappy. Little kids wear them, nursery workers change them. WTF are you getting all worked up about?

jannier · 26/04/2023 13:20

RhubarbandCustardYummyYummy · 26/04/2023 07:48

Surely at 18months the dungarees still have poppers up the legs for nappy changes??

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Nope many dont

Abouttimemum · 26/04/2023 13:22

Some of the outfits I see other kids wearing going in are ridiculous. It’s a nursery not a fashion parade. Why anyone would dress a tiny child in lace up shoes ever is beyond me.