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Jewish Orthodox mum AMA

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jewishorthomum · 26/04/2023 14:02

I'm a 29 yr old Jewish Orthodox religious mum of 2 little boys. Is there anything you'd like to ask about Orthodox Jewish life?
Kill my time whilst I'm waiting to be called in for an appointment.
(When I get called in for my app I'll have to run but will try respond later if there are questions.)

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Apairofsparklingeyes · 26/04/2023 22:02

Is it true that if an orthodox Jewish woman asks for a divorce and the man refuses her they have to stay married?

jewishorthomum · 26/04/2023 22:03

ReddishBrown · 26/04/2023 22:01

Happy for you to answer mine, OP! Just didn’t know if you were coming back.

Mind my ignorance, How do I search for your post/name on the thread?

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MonumentalLentil · 26/04/2023 22:04

Squamata · 26/04/2023 21:10

What age are Jewish children when they learn about the Holocaust? How do you balance educating them about it with not making them feel non-Jewish people are always out to get them?

My dad (not Jewish) grew up in North London in 50s/60s and used to get paid to go round turning on/off lights and ovens etc on the Sabbath. For people asking what you did before automatic switches!

A shabbas goy is the boy who turns off light etc. thank you for reminding me of the memory.

jewishorthomum · 26/04/2023 22:04

Apairofsparklingeyes · 26/04/2023 22:02

Is it true that if an orthodox Jewish woman asks for a divorce and the man refuses her they have to stay married?

Inorder to a divorce to take place both parties must agree. They must sign a marriage termination contract. Until then remarriage is forbidden

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ArrrMeHearties · 26/04/2023 22:05

Placemarking to catch up on as it's fascinating reading about different religions and how they operate. Thank you for the thread op

EllaDisenchanted · 26/04/2023 22:06

Marinapeppina · 26/04/2023 22:01

Why isn’t Judaism looking for more members, out of interest?

Because we believe everyone has their unique purpose. You don't have to be Jewish to fulfil what G-d wants from you, and get a share in heaven, you just have to follow the 7 Noahide laws (and basically be a good person).

ReddishBrown · 26/04/2023 22:06

Here it is OP. I tagged in orti as she’d mentioned funerals a bit in earlier posts.

You say that Jewish people have funerals the next day and everyone comes. How do you arrange it so quickly? What happens at one, how do you cater for everyone so quickly and do all the logistical stuff of hosting so quickly?

Why are non-Jewish funerals so much slower?

MonumentalLentil · 26/04/2023 22:07

My neighbour wore a covering on her hair but she had a widows peak and would pluck the hair out. Is this a common practice, I think I would prefer to wear a different covering?
She was very 'frum'.

Apairofsparklingeyes · 26/04/2023 22:07

I’ve been told it’s much more difficult to obtain a divorce if the man refuses and it can involve paying them off etc. Hopefully my information is wrong!

chessburger · 26/04/2023 22:08

What is the rule about not carrying your handbag on certain days and does it have something to do with a line/wire that encircles a neighbourhood? I can’t remember the word for the wire but would love to learn more about that.

Softsoftsleep · 26/04/2023 22:08

Am loving this thread. I'm a Born Again Christian and am absolutely obsessed with all things Jewish! I absolutely love reading the Old Testament and find so much of the ancient Jewish texts utterly stunning. I love the Psalms ( Psalm 18 is so powerful), and I read a chapter from the Book of Proverbs every day. Leviticus was tough to getbthrough but the attention to detail is amazing. The story of Samuel, Saul David, Esther, Daniel...I could go on!

Of course, I see my own faith as an off shoot of Judaism, and know that there is a growing population of Jewish people who follow Jesus, and see him as the fulfilment of Judaism. How are messianic Jews received by the general community?

As an aside, I was baptised in a full water immersion a few years ago as a declaration of my Christian faith. It happened on Rosh Hashanah and I can't tell you how thrilled I was for it to fall on such an event.

As another aside, I'm also interested in the opinions of Jewish people on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and I'm a pro-semite (made up word meaning the opposite of antisemite!) so I don't think it's an inappropriate question to ask, especially in this ama context I've spoken to Muslim friends about this, and have my own views but it's always important to get as many sides as possible.

Another random one, do Jewish people tend to have a common blood group?!

Anyway thanks again for such a great thread.

jewishorthomum · 26/04/2023 22:09

@Chloe84 I see you asked about the Palestinian Israeli conflict and got bashed for it. Some Jews approve of Israel having authority over Israeli land at this time, some don't. It isn't about Judaism.
All Jews agree that Israel is seeped with Jewish history and there is a strong connection between Israel and the Jewish people.
Whether the Israeli government are handing the conflict correctly or not is purely a political debate and nothing to do with Judaism so debating about the conflict is a purely political issue and wouldn't really belong on this thread.

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itmustbeexhausting · 26/04/2023 22:10

Why do Jews make it hard for new converts? Why aren’t they looking for more people to become Jewish? That goes against every other (large) religion!

socialmedia23 · 26/04/2023 22:11

jewishorthomum · 26/04/2023 21:59

I'm amazed at the respectful interest and response here! If there are any questions that haven't been answered can you repost them so that I can reply?

I do have a question, why do so many Jewish people want to make Aliyah. So many young people I know have left. Israel isn't an easy country to live in. I understand the idealism, how much easier it is to live in a Jewish country where being Jewish is 'normal'. But there are negative aspects too- the cost of living is expensive, home ownership is really hard (40% deposits are the norm), many jobs don't pay very well compared to USA/London including professions like doctor or lawyer, many new olim don't speak Hebrew that well (even those who went to orthodox schools!). As well as the security situation, I was sent several pictures of my SIL in a bomb shelter and that genuinely terrified me.

But both my husband's sisters have made aliyah. I understand anti semitism is a big problem, my DH is on the receiving end of it as someone with a Hebrew name in his passport (and Jewish schools on his CV), it's why he has only gotten job offers from banks which hire a very diverse workforce (on account of being such a large employer with money to invest in HR). But most of us have a good life in the UK(despite this)which is probably why the stats say that 70% of western olim leave Israel eventually (a Knesset spokesperson has confirmed this). I am sure that's not the same for russian olim or ethopian olim!

I was very affected by the death of the Dee sisters and their mum, it made me sad because I live in the same part of London as they do, and it is so much safer here. This may not always be the case but right now, it is...

Xiaoxiong · 26/04/2023 22:11

It's such an interesting thread and thank you so much to you OP and all the Jewish women on here for taking the time to answer!

My question was the one about shomer negiah, but maybe you already answered it above when you said "Religious men won't have any physical contact with the opposite gender". So you'd go by gender rather than biological sex?

Satsumalime · 26/04/2023 22:13

I was nervous to read this thread, as a Jew who has come across antisemitism online. Utter interest, learning and joy to read such lovely thread inputs. Thank you

jewishorthomum · 26/04/2023 22:14

itmustbeexhausting · 26/04/2023 22:10

Why do Jews make it hard for new converts? Why aren’t they looking for more people to become Jewish? That goes against every other (large) religion!

One of the reasons is because despite its beauty being a Jew isn't easy, as you've probably been made aware of by this thread, there are many guidelines, restrictions etc. We push converts away inorder to make it difficult for them. If they truly persevere we see that they have what it takes to be a practicing Jew. If they give up chances are Jewish lifestyle would be too difficult for them.

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EllaDisenchanted · 26/04/2023 22:14

Babyboomtastic · 26/04/2023 21:50

Thanks.

I find the lack of evangelizing a bit odd personally, but that's just it jarring with my Christian background.

Do you think that only Jewish people go to heaven, or you're more likely to if you are Jewish? I'm guessing not or you'd be more keen on spreading your beliefs?

How much of it for you is adherence to rules, and how much of it is having a personal relationship with God? Do you make personal requests and petitions by prayer?

For me, and I understand from my Muslim friends, for them, a lot of our faith is about having a relationship with God. A belief that God knows and cares about you as an individual and will listen to your pleas. Whilst in Islam and to a lesser extent, Christianity, many people follow rules, the rules seem to be secondary to the faith. Is it the same with Judiasm?

Yes, non Jews can have a share in heaven.

Our personal, deep and ongoing relationship with G-d is a fundamental part of Judaism. That's part of what all of the many many laws facilitate. Our lives are completely centred on our observance and relationship with G-d. I know lots of sanctioned work arounds have been mentioned, but there are boundaries about what workarounds we would use. Someone could probably find a workaround to put their TV on a timer to come on on Shabbos, but it isn't even a discussion, because it is so utterly against the spirit of Shabbos. I wouldn't even be tempted, it would completely ruin the feeling of Shabbos.

Xiaoxiong · 26/04/2023 22:15

Oh I have one more question - when you buy new kitchen utensils and stuff do you take them to the mikveh to dip them and is it annoying, do you need to make an appointment? And how do you submerge electrical kitchen utensils without breaking them!?

jewishorthomum · 26/04/2023 22:15

Xiaoxiong · 26/04/2023 22:11

It's such an interesting thread and thank you so much to you OP and all the Jewish women on here for taking the time to answer!

My question was the one about shomer negiah, but maybe you already answered it above when you said "Religious men won't have any physical contact with the opposite gender". So you'd go by gender rather than biological sex?

We go by biological sex

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Dexy007 · 26/04/2023 22:16

jewishorthomum · 26/04/2023 14:40

@OneRingToRuleThemAll About married peoples beds.
Judasim requires separate beds during a womens period inorder to prevent temptation for sex during that time.
Otherwise we totally share beds. Usually religious homes won't have a double bed in the master, rather 2 singles that can be put together and split according to the women's cycle.

Why aren’t you allowed to have sex on your period?

Whatt · 26/04/2023 22:18

For muslim women we have the special wash after menstruation but its just like a normal shower but following the steps so. We do it after sex so we can be clean to pray aswell. Its just to make sure water touches every part of our bodies. Takes about 5 min.

Also during menstruation you can have sexual contact but no PIV.

Off topic but I worked in a Jewish nursery and it was one of the nicest places I've worked at.

I was a bit apprehensive as I wear hijab andabaya and wasn't sure how they work take me but everyone was so friendly and welcoming and they even asked me if I wanted to pray there is a room that I could use.

Squamata · 26/04/2023 22:18

Dexy007 · 26/04/2023 22:16

Why aren’t you allowed to have sex on your period?

@Dexy007 read the thread love

socialmedia23 · 26/04/2023 22:19

Apairofsparklingeyes · 26/04/2023 22:07

I’ve been told it’s much more difficult to obtain a divorce if the man refuses and it can involve paying them off etc. Hopefully my information is wrong!

That happened to my MIL. Her ex refused to issue her a get unless he got a larger share of the house in the settlement. He hadn't worked for approximately 15 years, she had been working and paying off the mortgage while doing the housework and raising 4 children. She needed to keep the house as my DH was still in sixth form doing a levels and the youngest was only 10 so settled in school. She had to remortgage the house to give him £100k(house had gone up quite a bit as it was in north London). She got her get. They settled out of court. In Israel, they have sent men to jail for not issuing gets and I believe they are trying to bar men who don't allow women to divorce from entering israel. There have been boycotts organized by the community to punish such men

Thankfully my MIL managed to keep the house (but think her dad helped her out with that) and will be mortgage free next year.

EllaDisenchanted · 26/04/2023 22:20

Xiaoxiong · 26/04/2023 22:15

Oh I have one more question - when you buy new kitchen utensils and stuff do you take them to the mikveh to dip them and is it annoying, do you need to make an appointment? And how do you submerge electrical kitchen utensils without breaking them!?

depending on the material, yes you have to dip them in the mikva (a utensil mikva, not a people mikva!). no need for an appointment, it's often like a little outhouse or shed and you just go in and do it. Yes it is annoying, I forget all the time, so I have a pile at the front door constantly waiting for me to remember to take to the mikva!

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