Need to name and shame kid friendly restaurants without single sex toilets

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I've come across 2 'kid friendly' restaurants with toilets that open out onto communal sink areas. I have unfortunately found this out while out with my 8 year old daughter after we had booked and ordered food. We need to try and pressure restaurants that market themselves as child friendly to display their toliet policies on the website so we can make the choice to book or not. I would love to have a list of those that don't have single sex toliets as policy. I know Giraffe don't guarantee single sex and Bills Restaurants have a chain policy of 'communal' toliets in all of them. Can anybody add to this ?

💯 focus on what matters!

But it should be a concern randomly converting the toilets into unisex is simply not safe there are toilets in my town where the room tapers towards a point (ish) so if you go to the end toilet you have nowhere to go and it's underneath a multistory carpark no-one will hear you get attacked it's always been a safety concern that's why it has an attendant on duty most of the time

I get it's not the biggest concern but it's still a concern

It will go back to the status quo, where a recognisable male entering the toilets would be reminded that it was the ladies.

The baby changing room in the women’s loos? Really? A man going in there?

I’m not letting some random woman take my child to the toilet! Unless you have massive trust issues with the father of the child, but that says more about your views on Dads.

She’s too big for brownies, I know the guiders and if one of the dads was helping out I doubt he’d be trotting off to the women’s loos. Either way she wouldn’t need his assistance.

If it’s the only baby changing room where else do you expect men to go to change their baby? The floor of the gents?

The boot or backseat of the car is my preferred option.

Sorry got derailed, my point is that the OP wants to name and shame family restaurants with individual cubicle toilets and a communal sink area so that they then have single sex toilets and no man with a young DD can come into the sink area of a women’s single sex loos.

But then she says the same man can come with his young DD into the sink area of the women’s single sex loos if he is going to use a baby change area,

I don’t see how one is any worse than the other?

This! My only objection to sharing toilets with men is that some can’t aim straight, leaving a pissy puddle.
Besides that, I’m not fussed at all.

I'm not so sure...

Sorry for the Daily Mail link.

Well I'm happy for you that you haven't been assaulted by a trans identifying man in a women's toilet or had to deal with the aftermath of a miscarriage in the unisex toilets at work.

Happy that you’re happy 💅.

10 year old girls are going to the toilets by themselves, surely. Most have since 7 or 8.

Yes, and at least one ten year old girl doing exactly that has been assaulted by a man using the women's toilets whilst her dad waited for her outside.

I honestly find it crazy how mental people get over this. I honestly just have no idea where you are coming from. I don’t understand what your motive is around “shaming” these places or what you hope to achieve. It all just seems like an excuse to rant about trans people if I’m being honest because as a mother of a young family I find mixed cubicles with open sinks incredibly helpful. The changing table is always mixed sex use which is not the case in some places meaning DH can change the baby, and DH can bring DD for a wee now without going past open urinals, then when she’s a bit more independent she can go into the cubicle on her own then he can still accompany her to the stall. What I really dislike is over gendered toilets with changing tables in the women’s alone.

If you are asking a random stranger to keep an eye on your child, whether that person is male or female, you have far bigger issues than whether a toilet is unisex or not.

Then she'd be assaulted if she were 16 or 21? What are you saying? We can't have any female only spaces, that males should always go in with their daughter/wives?

No. If a man is with a daughter who is too young to wipe her own bottom he uses the baby changing room. If she's older he does what was the norm 15 years ago and let's her go in alone or asks a women to keep an eye on her

This genuinely the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. What help do you think the BABY change is for my DH assisting our 3 year old DD to the toilet? Stick her in a nappy?! A baby change is either a fold down table for babies in the main sink area or a fold down table for babies within a disabled toilet. I refuse to believe you’ve had young children recently if you think this is at all realistic.

You honestly don't understand why women and girls need safety, privacy and dignity, @Sofiewoo? Especially why rape survivors and DV survivors don't want to be retraumatised by seeing a male in what should be a safe space for females?

Yes and at least one girl has been assaulted by their school teacher, at least one girl has been assaulted at a public playground, at least one girl has been assaulted by a nursery worker, at least one girl has been assaulted on a bus (not to mention the boys that are also assaulted). What are we to do?

Can I just confirm

If a woman has a son and he wants to go to the toilet (for a poo)

She should ask a random man to keep an eye on him?

To which they can reply they are a transman using the toilet aligned with their sex.

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that single sex isn't necessarily the most family friendly option.

Oh seriously, this is such a silly thing to say.