Need to name and shame kid friendly restaurants without single sex toilets

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I've come across 2 'kid friendly' restaurants with toilets that open out onto communal sink areas. I have unfortunately found this out while out with my 8 year old daughter after we had booked and ordered food. We need to try and pressure restaurants that market themselves as child friendly to display their toliet policies on the website so we can make the choice to book or not. I would love to have a list of those that don't have single sex toliets as policy. I know Giraffe don't guarantee single sex and Bills Restaurants have a chain policy of 'communal' toliets in all of them. Can anybody add to this ?

They’d have no doubt shrieked then too. Locking the door would have solved the problem in all circumstances.

Me neither. I still don’t understand

1. what you want.
2. what you don’t want.

Regardless, ‘naming and shaming’ isn’t the answer.

Now that the law has been clarified on what a woman is, bystanders might be more willing to intervene.

Single occupant loos with full-length doors are less safe than cubicles with gaps because the gap at the bottom of the cubicle door of a standard loo lets you see if someone has collapsed and allows you to open the door over their body. This is especially important in night-time venues where people are likely to have been drinking and may choke on their own vomit. Having said that, anyone can become unwell at any time and pass out. You have four minutes to be rescued in if you stop breathing before permanent brain damage starts. You are far more likely to be rescued in time if people can see you on the floor through the gap at the bottom of the door.

Making toilets more dangerous for people who have a fainting disorder, have been drinking, or simply eaten some off chicken and are throwing up isn't an acceptable solution to the problem of men sexually assaulting women and children in toilets. Nor is it an acceptable solution to the discomfort that parents feel when taking their young opposite-sex children to the toilet that matches the parents' sex.

They might have shrieked, but the adult woman wouldn't have been anything like so worried about being branded a pervert.

Stop peddling the "genital inspection" myth. We all know that you can gauge sex very very accurately by face alone, never mind the other secondary sexual characteristics, so stop pretending otherwise.

A cubicle isn't a small room. It's an enclosure made out of chipboard or other sheet material, made within a room.

When choosing which restaurant to go to with children, I used to think about the food. From now on, I'm going to forget about the food, calling ahead to clarify what type of loos they have: 1.unisex toilet cubicles, communal washbasins 2. unisex toilet and wash basin cubicles 3. separate male and female loos.

I shall be adopting the same practice when booking holidays with children, choosing picnic sites, stopping at motorway service stations, visiting stately homes, selecting schools, dropping in on relatives and friends with multi-sex households, frequenting parks, and making use of sports facilities. Step by step, we will unite to create a lavatory-led society.

You must have very little to worry about in life, if you are worrying about this.

I find i can worry about more than one thing at a time…maybe you can’t

I'm not going to get into an argument about the similarities and differences between a cubicle and a small room. For the purposes of this thread, what matters is that a cubicle gives its occupant privacy.

OP needs to get out more.

As someone sexually assaulted aged eight in a mixed-sex school changing room, I disagree with your dismissiveness. Girls going to the loo alone are at risk in mixed-sex multiple-occupant loos, and single-occupant loos come with their own risks because of the lack of a safety gap at the bottom of the door. Girls and women make up the majority of sexual assault victims and keeping men out is the most effective way to keep us safe.

More visits to restaurant loos. That'll sort her out.

She can go to the toilet by herself aged 10, knowing it's solely for her biological sex.

It doesn't to the same extent though. You cannot film someone on the loo by holding your phone under the door of a room. You can with a cubicle.

Feel for the poor restaurateur. National insurance increases.cost of living causing people to eat at home. TripAdvisor reviews. New workers' rights legislation on the way. And now, naming and shaming loo lists.

Filming is a problem, I agree.

If you think the Supreme Court judgment is going to make trans people respect women's single sex spaces, I think you might be a little over optimistic.

What stopped them in the past then ?

These are chain restaurants that have removed 2 single sex, multiple cubical toilets to make one smaller unitsex one. This is not a financial decision on their part.

Why do you think they’ve made them smaller? What are they doing with the extra space?

I’d expect a 10yo dd to go to the women’s loo on her own however
given experience with my ds at a football stadium, I’d now not allow a child use a uni sex loo on their own.

I'm not suggesting it is a financial decision. I'm pointing out that restaurateurs already have lots to worry about. Now, with lavatory radicals like you, they have to worry about loos as well. There is no legal requirement for restaurant owners to provide single sex lavatories. As this thread shows, people have different preferences so restaurateurs are never going to be able to keep everyone happy.

As the mother of a young son, I'm happy with communal sink areas, because I can keep an eye on him. I don't want him going alone into the loo where predatory men might be - but at 7 he's getting to the age where he's nearly too old to come in with me (he's very tall so can be taken for older).

I fully support the need for single sex (not gender!) provision but communal sinks is a non issue.

She'd be capable of going to the loo by herself surely?