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Challenge the Proposed CSA changes

177 replies

ShirleyKnot · 01/12/2011 16:08

Could we talk about having some sort of campaign to bring awareness (and hopefully some action) for the many thousands of lone parents who are receiving pitifully small sums of money, or nothing at all, from the NRP?

I have been reading about the proposed changes here and I'm HORRIFIED!

I was on a thread recently here where many posters shared their sad tales about feckless NRP being asked to pay pennies per day for their children - and still not receiving even these pathetic amounts.

It seems that the CSA is a fairly toothless beast.

On a personal level, I have recently claimed for my two children (14 and 11) after nearly 10 years of no financial (or any other!) support.

My X refused to answer any of the CSA letters requesting salary information. He is self employed and therefore impossible for the CSA to get access to his income (although they do ask the Inland Revenue for previous accounts - in my X's case he hasn't submitted returns). Eventually an order was placed on him for £40.00 / week. Should the Inland Revenue not now be investigating why he hasn't paid any tax in the last few years? Surely this should be automatic?

He has not paid. I contacted the CSA today to ask what was happening with my case and was informed that they can't start court proceedings until the arrears mount up to £500.00 or 13 weeks worth of non payment.

The point of this is that, I'm used to it! I scrape by on my wages and we're fine - but what if we weren't?

What if I needed that £40.00 to feed our children?

I'm hoping that others will come onto this thread with ideas of what form this campaign should take - and also to maybe confirm the vague feeling I have that lone parents are going to be asked to contribute towards the CSA's work via their maintenance payments. (I may have this wrong)

Let's try and change this shall we? Or at least make a stand?

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SacreLao · 03/12/2011 03:24

I agree and will be happy to sign.

Charging the RP is disgusting!

Meglet · 03/12/2011 08:57

Bump......

littlemisssarcastic · 03/12/2011 09:47

I am also happy to support this campaign.

Imo, the CSA give the NRP too many chances to comply with their responsibilities voluntarily before they enforce anything.

wingandprayer · 03/12/2011 12:21

I've signed the petition and am marking my place here to support a campaign on this issue.

StewieGriffinsMom · 03/12/2011 13:15

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TheMouseRanUpTheClock · 03/12/2011 13:21

The petition we have singned is not actually antiCSAfee's.

HelenMumsnet · 03/12/2011 13:34

Hello all.

And yikes at all the hoohah last night.

Obviously, it wasn't our intention to upset anybody (least of all the lovely ShirleyKnot).

We appreciate that there may not be enough clarity about what this topic is for.

We did try - in our little note at the top of every thread in this topic - to make it clear that it's a topic for threads about "official" campaigns being run by Mumsnet (like our Miscarriage Care campaign) or for how-do-you-feel-about-this type discussions, started by the folks in our Campaigns team, about campaigns Mumsnet is thinking of running.

It's not really the best place for folks to start threads about campaigns you'd like us to get behind - not because we're being sniffy or difficult - but because it creates confusion.

You see, people looking at our Campaigns topic, who maybe don't know MN that well, will think every thread here is about a campaign MN is officially endorsing. And that may well be turn out to be fine in the case of this campaign of ShirleyK's but it perhaps ain't so fine in the case of someone campaigning to "Save rabbit hutches from being destroyed by dangerous radiation leakage" or whatever.

Not that we've got anything against rabbit hutches, obvs...

We do take Mme Lindt's point, though, that there does need to be somewhere, perhaps, where MNers can build up/gauge support for a campaign they'd like Mumsnet to take on.

And also that, if threads like this need to be moved elsewhere, then so should any other threads in this topic that aren't about official MN campaigns. Fair's fair and all that.

Hope that makes some kind of sense.

We'll leave this thread here for the time being. And we'll certainly let our Campaigns team know it's here.

ShirleyKnot · 03/12/2011 13:53

Hello!

Sorry Olivia! I was overtired last night.

Thanks Helen for explaining and for leaving the thread here for a little while.

I deffo think a topic is needed for people to drum up support for campaigns.

At least my tantrum meant MNHQ know this thread is here I guess! GrinBlush

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LEttletownofBOFlehem · 03/12/2011 13:57

Was it the sort of overtired that you have to drink within six months and costs nine pounds for two bottles?

ShirleyKnot · 03/12/2011 14:11

I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about Boffy.

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CardyMow · 03/12/2011 14:13

Grin. Still, not as bad as my monumental maths muff-up. Grin. Still, the thread with the correct figures in is drumming up some awareness, Shirley.

HelenMumsnet · 03/12/2011 14:44

@ShirleyKnot

Hello!

Sorry Olivia! I was overtired last night.

Thanks Helen for explaining and for leaving the thread here for a little while.

I deffo think a topic is needed for people to drum up support for campaigns.

At least my tantrum meant MNHQ know this thread is here I guess! GrinBlush

Now, now, tantrums do NOT get you what you want, Shirley.

Don't make me put you on the naughty step...

TheMouseRanUpTheClock · 03/12/2011 15:17

I am wondering if a join up between Gingerbread, Rights of Women and Womens Aid on this issue would be a good idea? is it even possible? there is just no large women's group set up for children like this? where as the nrp have f4j and fnf! who must be loving this as they are silent as far as I can see on the issue!

tiredfeet · 03/12/2011 15:22

As an aside,is it really only 15% for one chiid etc, so even when they do pay its hardlly much at all Shock the whole system seems very unjust tbh.

CardyMow · 03/12/2011 15:30

Yep, tiredfeet. It is 15% for one dc, 20% for two dc, and 25% for three or more dc.

SoftKittyWarmKitty · 03/12/2011 15:34

I agree there needs to be clarification on exactly what we want to campaign about and I've just said as much on the chat thread. I personally don't think we should set up any more epetitions until everything is clarified and MNHQ have had chance to look at all the threads and contact ShirleyKnot with a way forward.

The problem with the CSA issues being so diverse (as is evident from the many contributors on the numerous threads that are running), is that if we don't choose the right subject and phrasing of any campaign, then we'll not get the support we need. It will just slip by unnoticed. And that's not what we want.

A good thing is the numerous threads are getting attention on here from MNers who have never really considered the plight of CSA users. Who wants to bet that the CSA will be a subject on The Wright Stuff this week? Grin

ShirleyKnot · 03/12/2011 15:39

I agree that there needs to be a cohesive approach to this!

I think the charging for the use of the CSA should be the main thrust TBH.

Oh, and Helen? Try telling my boys that! GrinWink

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TheMouseRanUpTheClock · 03/12/2011 15:50

Shirley if you go for the two pronged approach, the charges and the domestic abuse you will get more organisation backing for better lobbying chances in parliament and the press which is where you need to this this!

TheMouseRanUpTheClock · 03/12/2011 15:51

Also I think it would be prudent to start a private group somewhere maybe on facebook, as this will be watched and reproted on to f4j and fnf!

SoftKittyWarmKitty · 03/12/2011 17:03

I think the DV/DA and the costs are linked issues - there are many, many problems with the charging system and the problem around how they'll prove DV/DA is just one of them (and a very serious one, at that). Not belittling that issue at all, btw.

I personally feel very strongly about society/the government/the media letting non-compliant parents get away with not paying for their kids as a matter of course, and that the CSA has no teeth to punish these people. If it was less acceptable to avoid paying for your kids and the CSA actually punished those that didn't, then we wouldn't have the scale of issues that we have with non-compliance now.

PMTvsPMA · 03/12/2011 18:49

e-petition signed :)

PMTvsPMA · 03/12/2011 19:00

Not sure if this has been covered already but I always wondered why, once the assessment amount has been agreed, the government do not pay it to the RP straight away and then chase the NRP for it, adding interest if they delay.

That's what I would do. That and they need stronger powers of enforcement.

blackoutthexmaslights · 03/12/2011 19:30

signed Smile

bytheMoonlight · 03/12/2011 19:36

What does a 15-20% charge to the NRP mean?

Dh has already paid for dsd, but if we had to pay another 15% of his wages out ontop of the payment we would be really really struggling.

Is it 15% of his wages or 15% of the amount he pays?