D'y ever wonder how much effort goes into thinking of these thread titles?

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LOTS!

Sophie, first Congratualtions! How exciting!!!! Second, stop planning NOW. Don't even think about splitting them and at what age etc. Its like predicting the Summer wind. These babies will dance their way into your life and you just need to get your head into the line of thought that says you will step forwards, back or sideways when the need arises. You can't plan this, your darling twins will make their own, brand new, path and you'll probably just adapt as you go. Its lovely! Sends me back, like you, I had a DD and then b/g DTs.

HM, the goonie, yup chiffon with feather edging Ooogs, aye hen, a housecoat is what we most commonly call it up here

LG&T, the op is this Tuesday so sorry to hear about your wanky X. Hope that resolves quickly!!!

I ate too much

LG&T...............get that YOUTUBE link in here NOW!!!!!!!!!!

whips Robbie out love this song, but the vid is so desperately sad [aches to get on the marigolds]

Sophie... my DTs g/b still share aged 6 (well 6 in a few weeks). They start in separate beds but tend to wind up in the same one.

Curiosity.... sod 'em all. Are they growing? Excellent. If you worry then add a breastfeed into their day. Me... went a few times (when I wanted to - mostly as something to do) then never bothered again. Boring places weigh in clinics!

Morning girls xxx

frumpygrumpy i know it's something that i can't plan when to seperate them, it was just my mum saying "best to do it at 18mths" so just thought i'd see what others have done. I do tend to try and plan a bit too much, not that i ever stick to it much.

MarsLady It's great to hear that your B/G DT's are still sharing at 6.

So when i do move in a few weeks i will be painting my DD's room Pink with all the bits i have been planning for the last couple of months. And as for my DT's well, i think I will just have to see when the time is right.

Thanks for the advice.

Morning,

Thanks so much everybody for your support! So sorry to run in with a hysterical fuss and then disappear! I've just not been well. This nasty cold which developed on Tuesday night is still going. I haven't been sleeping because the glands in my neck are so swollen that they have been hurting without taking cocodamol but that has been making the babies sleepy. I've weaned myself down now from 2 tablets every 4 hours to 1 every 12 when the sore throat, headache, joint pains and swollen glands are just too bad! I am normally very wary of taking any medicine at all when breastfeeding. I've only been able to eat soup, I had some bread one day and my throat was so swollen it choked me and made me cough I'm getting a bit better now, sore throat is getting better and it seems to be going into my chest and my eyes - weird. Gah, wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy! The babies have been a bit off but it looks like the antibodies in the milk are protecting them a bit.

Anyway, there is not a chance they are going to get me to supplement or give up. There's no benefit that I can see. My mum came round on Friday and we had a good chat and she looked through their charts from a GPs perspective and proclaimed that the HV was talking rubbish. She did think that I should be trying to give Dylan a bit extra. We both thought about it and I think it is being caused by the babies being such different birth weights. It's hard for the feeding to accommodate such different needs. She thinks there is no problem with Lily and that I have been gearing things to her needs because she was small and needy. She looked at them feeding and came to the same conclusion as me - that Dylan is a lazier feeder. She thought I should add in an extra feed for him so he had sole access once a day and she couldn't drink all his milk but I have not been able to get him to take extra milk, Lily will but he is funny about eating when he's not hungry. Basically I have decided to give him an extra side at each feed. That way it should compensate more for him being a slow and lazy feeder and he should get more fatty hindmilk and it shouldn't take any of Lily's share, since she is doing fine.

I have lost some weight through being ill this week and only being able to eat soup, the babies have not been very well either. The HV wants to come and weigh them on wednesday (only a 6 day interval and we have all been ill!!) so that the doctor can have accurate weights at their appointment on Thursday. I'm going to phone her on Monday and tell her not to come. My sister said that the most important thing for the feeding going well is me being happy and relaxed and that this is not making me happy and relaxed - so simple but so true. I am just going to tell her that. I'm going to tell her that I will bring them to the clinic when I feel they need to be weighed and that I don't feel there is a need for supplementing with formula, if they are still struggling at 4 months I would rather compliment their breastmilk with some food than give a bottle to a refluxy baby at 2 months and risk them refusing the breast and making the reflux worse. I'm sure the doc will agree with all of that and all my reasons.

I think they can piss off.

Sophie - B/G DTs are lovely. I didn't want mine to be the same sex because I would've hated people to treat them as the same person all the time. With one of each it'll be easier to be themselves I think. Congrats! I found it so exciting and so scary at this stage! Everything was just a bit hysterical, I was either sobbing and being sick in bed or getting myself all wound up and excited collecting all the various things I needed.

I second the advice not to plan where they'll all sleep. You can't be sure who'll get on with who and what each of their sleeping habits will be. My older two shared from when my Ella was 3 months and Connor was 18 months. They were both in cotbeds so trapped and unable to get to each other to play and they were both sleeping through so they didn't wake each other up at night. When Ella was 10 months and Connor was 2 they both had the cotbeds turned into junior beds and then I had to settle Ella first at about 6.30 then put Connor to bed once she was already asleep otherwise they'd be up playing until midnight! I think as all your children grow they'll have different needs and settle differently at night so you might find the twins are lonely without each other or that you want your dd to have her own room when she starts school so she gets uninterrupted sleep e.t.c. Take that one as it comes, you can always shift them around fairly often to suit the needs of your whole family at different times.

I'm not going to decorate our house at all until the children are bigger - far too much drawing on walls and sticking stickers atm! I reckon it'd just get ruined. It's fairly easy to keep things nice when you only have one child but as soon as they get a sibling they lead each other into badness IME

Just ring them in the morning and say Shabba says piss off you cant come mithering me!

curiosity... do breast compression for Dylan. Have you looked at the videos on drjacknewman.com? That should help get more into Dylan whilst he feeds. I never let the differing birthweights bother me with my wee weapons. DT1 was 4lbs 5 and DT2 was 5lbs 14. I just fed them and knew they were growing. Ignored everyone else. People seem to think that because they are twins everything should be exactly the same, esp growth. DT1 is still a weeny thing and DT2 is getting taller. In fact people don't recognise them as twins when we're out.

So, in short, breast compression. Hopefully that will sort you out.

Hi mars.

Yes, think I need to make more of an effort to do the breast compression at each feed too.

Still feel rubbish...

Yay, Curiosity is kicking arse! You sound much more positive love. Well done

the smaller of my boys always fed better and has ended up bigger, well taller and bigger feet, though not much in it from a weight point of view. And they're supposed to be identical!! Everyone's an individual (plus boys are lazy, we all know that!!)

Sorry play, I misunderstood, didn't realise you had a DC already, I thought when you said three you meant triplets! Doh

Well done curio, I think you are doing the right thing entirely

Sophie, mine are b/g too. They were in separate rooms till they were about 15mths cos they used to disturb each other. They are 20m now and I couldn't contemplate separating them - they love it. They keep each other company and rarely cry for me to go in. At night they play happily before dropping off and in the morning same. This morning at 5.30am they were both awake having a little party . E was playing with her IP doll which plays the INTG music and T was playing with the BabyTad which goes 'Hi, I'm baby tad, that's the green circle... that's the orange diamond' etc! It was quite noisy but they didn't need me to go into them. Eventually they went back to sleep until 8.30am . Not sure I would get that if they were not in together. So I agree with others - don;'t make any plans, just go with the flow. And yes paint your DD's room pink!

I'm feeling better and the shock of shabs' bobos the support from everyone around has helped!

I was never going to supplement with formula, breastfeeding is so important to me. I think I'm just completely paranoid about afraid of the HCPs. My notes can be used against me and when they've tried in the past they have done it dishonestly so it makes me worry they are just out to get me. They generally see me as one of two things; Young mum of four under five with 2 different dads, history of depression and self harm, abusive X, failure to thrive baby and messy house or Married middle class SAHM, doctor's daughter breastfeeding twins. Depending on each person's mindset and their motives each view has been used to either give or take away. No use being paranoid though, or playing to it. Just have to do what's right and yes, giving them a bottle might make them both grow up the centiles again but why is this so necessary that it should override my choice and my strong feelings about feeding methods when the babies seem otherwise healthy and happy?

Like I say, sorted in my mind. They are MY children...

there, everything looks better in twilight

Fg - are we allowed wine on a Sunday??

Well the centiles are only there to show that some people are on this centile and others on that! As long as they are growing and not falling below (or growing over) there should be no cause for concern. You know that they are growing. The nappies are good so... just get on with growing them. Tell the HCP goodbye!

Evening all............Mr Trips b/day today and the weather was stunning! My brother had the trio, so we walked all the way into Deal along the seafront and had a 3 course lunch and bottle of du vin rouge, all very civilized! Best part was we only had to pay for the wine as we had a voucher that my brother gave us a year last Sept for our 30th a/v! Got there at last! We walked all the way back too, had tea and cake and feel stuffed, not even room for a nut
No decisions for trios b/day yet, they all want loads of friends, cant do. Decided to take one boy and one girl with us to cinema then Pizza Hut as you suggested FG, also ecause PH sent me a £10 voucher! Now the problem is there isnt anything on they want to see, well not quite true, boys want to see Avatar, girls don`t, apart from Alvin and the Chipmunks, they say too young, the rest are 15 and 18 cert! So much easier when they were little, pass the parcel and jelly!

Kale Nits ma petite champignons xx

Trips - I saw Avatar in 3D. It was well worth seeing in 3D I thought. I think it looks a bit of a blokey film at first but there are some really good/cool female characters too. Are the girls sure they wouldn't like it? The story is pretty good and I'd say would appeal to girls and boys and the effects are brilliant if you see the 3D version. My mum felt travel sick watching it though! I'd say Avatar would be more enjoyable for both girls and boys than Sherlock homes which is the other big film out atm.

Dan and Em saw Avatar and loved it!! Em is a real 'film buff' and she adored it xx

Morning girls. Back to total normality today. After a month of Ems nursery being closed due to snow and then Ems annual leave she is back in work today and Lew is here for the afternoon. He will not be a happy bunny!!