D'y ever wonder how many men have been lost in your ample bosom?

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PMSL

I didn't want to be the one to do it! I promise next time I will sellotape my fingers.

Working on it dingdong

Hi all - been away from MN for a bit......hope you are all well......need to catch up with everyones news before I post properly.

HM, tut tut tut

BibiThree, I remember feeling like I couldn't get a breath and like there was just no room long before my due date. I found solace in the swimming pool. Lying on my back in the water with a float (one of the long tube ones, a noodle?) under my arms brought some relief. I was lucky enough to enjoy a week in a posh hotel where the water was heavenly warm, that helps too. Anything that makes you feel light. It gets so filled up in there so quickly. I didn't have a huge bump so inside I felt the pressure. You have my sympathies. It will change again I'm sure. Every week the pressure point was ifferent for me - sometimes it was low, sometimes it was high, sometimes it felt my skin would burst. Do you have loads of squishy pillows? Is there a pregnancy yoga class near you? Sometimes, with the right teacher, you can find some of those positions really help. I did pregnancy yoga with each of my pregnancies and some classes were good and some were excellent.

I ADORE the sound of babymooning I almost feel like crying because what I'd really love in life is to be able to go back and do it all again, when life was simpler (and I didn't know it) and I could lay in bed at crazy times of day and feed and feed and be close and not worry about school runs and routines and bedtimes and timetables......

Mars, I have something to tell you.

do your best girls

Hello FG, how are you, we haven't chatted in a while

Overun, jsut saw your message, I thought yours were starting today, how did they get on? Hope it went well.

hullo my favourite Overrun

I'm ok. I got my AF unexpectedly today which was a shock because ususally it comes with a two week warning of pain. I'm wondering if my healthy regime has anything to do with it and I'm hoping NOT

How's life at your end of the world? Desperate or bearable? Are you finding any free time for you or are you just filled up with family duties?

Hi Kelly

FG............. lovelymarslady at aol dot com

Or go to my website and get the phone number!!!!!!!

does Mars love keeping things close to her ample boozongas or was I just last to know?

all together now..."happy birthday dear Mars. happy birthday dear Mars, happy birthday dear Marsy, happy birthday dear Mars" .

We popped in and met Mars' lovely clan (just missed DS1 - hope he turned up soon so you could open your pressies). Ella has now decided she wants to come for a sleepover at your house - she has it all planned, down to bringing her Winnie the Pooh blow-up bed to sleep on in your DD2's room . She also thinks the DTs might miss her so she wants to bring them as well .

Kelly and Overrun how did your DTs get on at nursery today? I was amazed at mine - they got stuck straight into the painting, so I just gave them a kiss and said goodbye and they both said 'bye-bye mummy' and I left (welling up - my babies are growing up ) and that was it. They were quite happy all morning and I popped off to do some shopping. The manager/owner has also said they're quite happy to change pooey nappies if necessary so I will be completely free 2 mornings a week (except for the cleaning, the ironing, the paperwork, the shopping...).

FG nice to hear from you, where have you been?

Does anybody else remember losing their ability to cope completely while pregnant, or is just me?

I thought last time it was the overwhelming fear of having twins, but I think it must be hormonal because I feel like I'm feeling apart at the seams. Last week my dh was away for 3 days and it nearly finished me off. I was putting the kids to bed at 6.15pm just so I could cope. The other day he told me he'd organised for us to go to a friends house for dinner and I burst into tears and told him I couldn't cope with a single other thing to think about on top of my burdens already......?

And my children seem to have suddenly got so much louder and unco-operative - are they sensing my lack of ability to cope or have they always been like that?

Largeg&t, again - with 5 children already and a husband away all the time, how do you do it? I'll pay you to tell me.....

Hiya - I am fine fg. I didn't realise that tkb's dts were also started today. It feels like quite a milestone, and I am happy and sad iyswim
They seemed to enjoy it, so we will see how they get on tomorrow. Sometimes when the reality that they will be going somewhere on a regular basis creeps in, they get more upset don't you think?
Anyway, I am off to bed now

Im right with you ESTAR on the cracking up while pregnant. Im not usually an emotional sort but when preg the slightest thing reduces me to tears. I keep saying to the older ones, just ignore me it just the hormones.....course at 8 they just look at me odly and think im talking about some bizzare cake i have made that day

Im very excited.......im meeting OOOGS today! With her lovely 4 week old babies, i cant wait. We are going to be ladies who lunch. I bet she looks fab and i just look like an overstuffed bean bag

Hello HM, glad your back. What ya been up to?

FG im only weeks away on being able to join you on the vino in the evening, oh bliss.....Oh hang on.....does that healthy regime of yours mean you are possibly not drinking anymore???!!! Nooooooooooo

Right am off to toddlers and then in to town

I had a wonderfult iem with hormones during pregnancy. I'm generally laid back, but I really did lose it. It was mostly dp who was on the endof it, got a pot of tea and a cauliflower thrown at him on different occasions. It's funny how you forget about these side effects of pg.

my boys were not impressed. The wandered happily up the stairs, then shay spotted one of the nursery nurses and screamed and bolted off back down the stairs. They really are terribly fussy about who they do and don't like. WE ahd the homestart volunteer visiting again today. dd had a hospital appointment so she was an extra pair of hands to help with the dts and they love her.

We're going a bit stir crazy here now, one of the wheels has fallen off hte pram, so we can't walk up the school, and now the day is dragging!

After all the hours I put into babymooning and it seems to be going down the pan, poor little dd has had a tummy bug since sunday and yesterday got admitted to hospital as she won't drink and needs to be on a drip until she takes fluids on her own, so I have been there with her leaving my mum with the DT's who have been getting some breast milk when DH has come home to get things but have been having to have formula.
I am really pissed off about that.

But obviously more worried about my poor little DD bless her heart, it is awful seeing her lying in bed not really even moving, she looks so pale and thin.
really breaks my heart to see her like this.

hope she will be out soon.

Oh I am so sorry to hear this overun. I hope she is better soon. And please don't think of the baby mooning as a waste of time, every little helps. Surely the hospital should be doing mroe to help, can't they let you use their machines to express while you are up there so that your milk can be used?

Big {{{{{hugs}}}}} to you and your dd.

surely they know you have dts at home?

1B3, how awful sweetheart. My dd1 took ill a while back and had to be on a drip throughout her illness. It really is the best thing though as my dd1 was late being admitted to hospital (our GP kept telling me she was ok and I kept going back saying she wasn't) and, as a result, lost a lot of weight extremely fast and some hair and all her nails fell out in the weeks to follow. (that took 6 months to work through). So, hard as it is to see, it is keeping her safe. You can only do so much my darling and if you keep expressing then you can hopefully resume BF when your dd 'turns the corner' and comes home (TURNS THE CORNER, those were the words everyone said all day everyday when my dd was in hospital and I grew to hate the phrase!). I wish you all well and wish for good news for you soon xxx. p.s. if you have to leave BF behind, don't beat yourself up, you can only do your best and a little is better than none at all. Love to you.

Darling... fret not. Just continue with the babymooning when you get home. It won't all go down the pan I promise!

I'm sorry that DD1 is ill. Ask if the hospital have a breastpump that you can use whilst you're in with DD1. Then you'll be able to send EBM (expressed breast milk) home. That way you'll keep up your supply and the DTs won't have to go back to formula.

Now did I tell you all that "I love Paris in the Springtime"? Still can't get over the fact that my best friend is taking me for my birthday.

Oh your poor dd 1becomes3, i really hope she picks up soon. Kids have an amazing capacity to turn a corner in just a few hours. The dts will be fine, you may have to babymoon all over again. It does sound lovely though.

I was telling a friend to do it today at toddlers, she is struggling to keep up with the feeding of her 5th baby. She is putting on weight and feeding well but constantly. The poor mum is feeding all day and the baby crashes all night. I told her to go to bed for 3 days with the baby and have her dh do everything. Trouble is the baby is 8 weeks and dh is back at work so she is on her own with them all and the dreaded school run. What do you think Mars?

I met OOOGS today She is lovely, and neither of us are axe weilding murderers (as our dh's would lead us to believe) She looked blimmin fab and they are only 4 weeks old! We could have sat and yapped all afternoon, well we did for most of it! I got to feed the little girl! She was soooo sweet, they both were. I could have taken one home

Hugs was a nightmare, at one point he legged it to the escalator and i was sure he would be going down it head first! I strapped him in the buggy in the end amid protest. He fell asleep, lucky really or i may have handed him to a stranger.....

Am off to make tea now, which as i have been out all day will consist of pasta bows with a tin of mushroom soup added Poor neglected children, i feel bad for them....no really i do

Gay Paris! How fantastic! I stayed in Monmartre, near the cemetery and the Sacre Coeur. The views from up there are fantastic. Try not to walk too much, just sitting in a sunny pavement cafe and watching I find the best relaxation there is (apart from bonking). Is this as well as or instead of St Lucia, I've lost track.......

LG&T thanks for asking......just been a bit low, feel like its groundhog day every day and feel like I am losing any sense of identity as everything I do is for other people, wife, mother etc. So didnt want to post and bring everyone down!

HM, please please tell us! Everytime someone posts on here about what a tough time they're having, I think 'oh thankgoodness, it's not just me - this job is really hard'! We don't want to revel in your hard times, but we do want to hear about them so we can support each other - that's why frumpy started this thread in the first place!

oh god yes estar, HM you must share!

I was having a great time this week but have had day from hell at work today came home to over tired over excited DTs who didn't want to go to bed, chicken pox is imminent since 4 of the regulars in their room at nirsery have been off with it and DT2 hasn't been herself since Sat...

I have had 2 - yes 2 - alcohol free days, have broken my fast tonight as no work til monday now

happy birthday mars, now off to catch up with the rest of you!

nursery even, wine is taking effect...