One in six PIP claimants have no extra costs linked to their disability

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/40693771/pip-claimants-disability-benefit/
So, can money be saved here?

That is so original!

And how much would that cost compared to the PIP payments? Have a Google at what the max PIP rate is per month and what the salary of a physiotherapist/ MH health specialist. I'll give you a hint the PIP max is £778 pm. So by your reasoning the Government should be spending more on disabled people not less. Maybe you should put in a claim for being extremely short-sighted.

Allseeingallknowing's definitely wearing their evil eye today

The Sauron of PIP

Not RTFT but wouldn’t a better heading be - 5 out of 6 pip claimants have additional costs linked to their disability.

and you think all of this - special tariffs, physio, other therapies etc is going to be cheaper?

Some people's PIP or DLA if they have a disabled child doesn't even touch the sides.

Be careful for what you wish for.

Burnham’s plans for social care were a damp squib- lots thought he meant people would not have to sell their house or lose assets when going into care, but he didn’t mean that at all. A big let down.

There's already a special tariff for water but only if your water bill is over a certain amount which mine isn't

Does anyone know how much PIP actually is? Someone on another thread said they got £500/month. Sounds high / like a goady post?

Why is PIP under so much scrutiny - is it because it’s not means-tested?

Just curious.

Ok but I think parents should pay because there’s no way society will be able to take care of all the adults with these ‘needs’

Yeah, that’ll go down well. Did you not see how many people were whinging it wasn’t fair that people with blue badges can use a hose pipe during the ban? If we get special water rates the sky will fall in.

Sure you are. The rates of PIP can be found by googling PIP rates!

So >83% of recipients do have additional costs? And the majority of the <17% who claim they don't are financially supported by their parents, and likely unaware of the full costs of their disability? Sounds like a very strong case to continue PIP payments then, surely? Plus maybe a case for parents of disabled youngsters to have some frank discussions about finances.

Because of the rise in claims and costs.

We now spend more on PIP alone than our entire military

I hope that you’re a troll.

I have no objection to you claiming what you’re entitled to and like you I claim PIP for a long term health disorder. I only work part time, but like you would likely only be working part time anyway as my children are still relatively young. That’s where the similarity between you and I stops however, @OldTiredMum1976, because I’m not a petty and vindictive knobber.

I am a teacher in a specialist provision that specialises in SEND students with behavioural issues. We are LEA-funded. There is no money to make the class sizes smaller and provide the resources our students need for various reasons, mostly because of how much it costs to service an aging population who take up 55% of the welfare bill and because as such there are many more people taking out of the system than who are paying income tax. Things are dire in state schools right now, let alone in specialist places like ours. We don’t have money for glue sticks in the classrooms, tea bags in the staff room or as many cleaners to work as many hours as we really need to keep the place properly clean.

Regardless of whether you’re choosing a private school for your kids because they have SEND and you believe that they’ll do better in a private school than they would in a state school or because of some other reason, it is still a luxury service that ~93% of people in the UK can’t afford for their kids.

So please spare me the “I’ve been driven to this by nasty Labour!” routine that people like you always roll out. Things would be much better in our schools and in our country if something like this 20% on private education had been in place for the 14 years that proceeded it (rather than private schools being treated as charities!)

So to go back to my initial point: I have no problem with you claiming what you’re entitled to. I also have no problem with you spending that money on a holiday if that’s what you choose to do with it. But I think that it’s a bit classless to gloat about that holiday, to brag that it’s a luxury holiday but not to acknowledge that it’s a luxury education your children are getting, and just vindictive to not acknowledge that you’ve got it pretty good. People are literally starving in this country right now. Families have both parents working every hour that God sends in more than one job as well as claiming benefits that they’re entitled to just to keep the lights on and their children fed. If this 20% is all you have to throw your toys out of your pram like this about then you’ve got it far better than most people.

All I’m saying is a bit of humility and human warmth wouldn’t go amiss.

with every benefit there will always be people who take the piss.

the vast majority of people who are entitled to pip need it as their disability incurs extra cost for them.

there will obviously also be people who get pip who don’t need it. I have a family member claiming DLA for a child who might have adhd. The money does not go on the child as she incurs no additional costs. When she is 16 it will be her money. You can get PiP for ADHD on its own, before people say you can’t. Friends sons DLA moved over into pip at 16 and it’s now his money. He is on a full time apprenticeship and earning over 30k at 19. He doesn’t have additional costs but he’s obviously not going to say no to the money. He passed his driving test and saved it up to buy a car.

i also know of many many people due to my work who claim pip who desperately need it and if anything, don’t have enough of it to help with the costs of their disability.

so I do think it’s a system that needs to be reconsidered to make sure it’s working as it should be. I’m not sure how that can be done though without a significant negative impact on those who desperately need it.

It depends on your needs, but the maximum amount is £778pm and the minimum is £308pm.

Yep, what a shock, they know someone in receipt of disability benefits who doesn't need it and spends it on cruising!!!!! 😂

Funny how the disability bashers, always know EVERY LAST DETAIL of other peoples finances, and benefits, and how much they receive, and what they spend it on.... Because everyone on benefits informs every person they speak to how much they rake in from benefits, and that they spend most of it on crap they don't need.

Most people in receipt of PIP are just dripping in gold and platinum, bathing in tubs of diamonds, and booking 10 holidays a year to California, Australia, South Africa, Spain, Turkey, Italy, Brazil, Aruba, Thailand, China, and Canada.

Just rolling in money they all are. 😎

FML! 😆

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Yeah, so in my case for example:

I have two wheelchairs, one for whizzing around the village one for going in the car. I rent a car on motability but that means I can’t get a wheelchair so I bought both of mine.

I do have a manual but I’m too weak these days to get about in it.

I’d like a walker as well but time and storage space.

i’m too weak and can’t walk far so I have a cleaner who also changes my bed.

heating costs are higher than most people because I feel the cold although I’ve been working on that by doing cold water swimming.

I can’t just join an able bodied exercise class (I have tried) and the teachers get really uncomfortable even if ai’m adapting the movements so I go to one specially for people in wheelchairs. It’s a charity that run it so it’s not horrendously expensive but it’s more than a standard class.

I go to a day centre once a week where they cook me a really nice hot dinner. I do eat more takeaways and deliveries than I should because cooking is hard from a wheelchair and I get exhausted if it takes more than about 15 mins.

meals on wheels doesn’t exist any more - people usually buy freezer meals and microwave them.

i’m on a specialist diet - low histamine, no dairy, no meat, low sodium, so this doesn’t work for me. So fresh food it is (which costs more).

if they are looking at providing support, more exercise classes and stuff generally that is accessible to wheelchair users would be great.

Not remotely relevant to what I’m saying. There are, as I see it, three scenarios:

1. no one is getting payments or more in payments than they need/are entitled to;
2. Some are but it is cheaper to give them more than they need than it would be to properly assess each person; or
3. some are getting more than they need/are entitled to and this is causing a loss to the Treasury.

If it’s 1, then I don’t see the problem with people asking that the position is verified. If it’s 2, then the Government should say “we are aware some are being “overpaid” but we reckon the cost of weeding those people out would exceed the money saved” and if it’s 3, then it should be resolved.

Entitlement is a horrible concept because when it becomes ingrained people seem to forget that the money has to come from somewhere and that the payments aren’t really “for” the individual; they are what we pay “for” being a humane and civilised society. If that is abused - even unwittingly - that itself is a pretty uncivil thing to do, so no one should have a problem with proper scrutiny. Just as paying such benefits is for the good of us all, so is proper scrutiny of them.

I think this is really generous given all their medical care and prescriptions will be ‘free’

It will be much cheaper for the government to just make cash payments to those who have a certain level of care and support or mobility needs rather than having to work through everyone's evidence and receipts.

It's interesting that they haven't published what percentage of people have costs associated with their disability that are actually higher than the PIP they receive. Although not old enough for PIP yet, my son's cost vastly more than his DLA, he has Cerebral Palsy and is a wheelchair user as well as Autistic.

At some point the parents die.

most parents do take care of their children with disabilities often until the parents die.

at that point an adult who often has very little life experience gets to deal with the benefits system on their own.

They usually end up in care of some kind of- group home or over 55 sheltered housing.

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"Fiction!!!"

Not every disabled person gets free prescriptions and many people have to pay for medication that the NHS won't fund. Many go private because of the waiting lists

Disability is far more than health care

lol.

just… lol.

wheelchairs don’t count as medical care.

wetrooms that are wheelchair accessible don’t count as medical care

hospital beds at home don’t count as medical care.

these days virtually nothing counts as medical care.

every disabled person I know is getting physio privately or not at all because nhs provide 4 hours.