One in six PIP claimants have no extra costs linked to their disability

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/40693771/pip-claimants-disability-benefit/
So, can money be saved here?

And let’s bash the disabled but ignore this

Multinational tech giants and large online retailers avoid the most corporation tax through profit shifting, intellectual property royalties, and holding companies based in tax havens. 1, 2, 3]
Major Companies Associated with High Tax Avoidance
Amazon: Uses holding and operating structures in Luxembourg, Delaware, and Ireland. Estimates from the Ethical Consumer suggest Amazon's corporation tax avoidance cost the UK approximately £575 million in 2024 alone. 1]
Big Tech Groups (Apple, Alphabet/Google, Microsoft, Meta/Facebook, Amazon, Cisco, Adobe): A study by TaxWatch found that seven major tech groups generated tens of billions in UK revenues and profits while shifting substantial portions offshore to minimize local tax liabilities. 1]
Etsy: Operates via international hubs in Ireland and Delaware, leading to criticism over the low corporation tax paid relative to its local sales volume. 1]
Global Brands with Haven Parents (e.g., Bacardi, Boohoo, Pentland Group): Parent companies are frequently registered in traditional tax havens like Jersey, Bermuda, or the Cayman Islands even when the bulk of their retail or operational base is in places like the UK.1]
Common Methods Used
Profit Shifting: Moving declared profits out of high-tax countries where sales occur and into low-tax or zero-tax jurisdictions. 1]
Royalty and Brand Fees: Subsidiary companies pay massive licensing or royalty fees to shell companies in tax havens for use of brand names and intellectual property, driving down local paper profits. 1, 2]
Intra-Group Loans ("Debt Loading"): Using high-interest loans from offshore parent entities to absorb local profits through interest payments. 1]

Maybe we have so much disability payment bashing because of this

Many major UK newspapers and publishing groups are owned by non-domiciled billionaires, offshore holding companies, or foreign-backed entities: 1, 2]
Key Offshore and Foreign Ownership Trends
Tax Havens & Offshore Structures: A significant portion of regional and national press is incorporated or held through offshore jurisdictions. For example, several Scottish and UK-linked titles are tied to entities registered in tax havens like Delaware (USA) or Jersey. 1]
Lord Rothermere & DMGT: Daily Mail and General Trust (DMGT)—which owns the Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, The i Paper, and Metro—has moved considerable overseas assets to parent structures controlled via Jersey-based Rothermere Continuation Holdings. 1, 2]
Foreign State Investment Rules: The UK government allows passive state-owned investors and sovereign wealth funds to hold up to a 15% stake in British newspapers and news magazines, following extensive debates around Middle Eastern-backed consortia attempting to acquire titles like The Telegraph and The Spectator. 1, 2, 3]
Billionaire Concentration: According to data from the Media Sovereignty Act Campaign, the vast majority of top UK media billionaires reside abroad, with a tiny handful of non-domiciled owners controlling the majority of national newspaper circulation. 1, 2, 3]

I simply don’t want to feel more dehumanised than I already do.

Yet you are dehumanising migrants. Talk about a race to the bottom.

I would love to spend my son’s DLA on earplugs. Instead it goes on nappies/wipes/incontinence pads/private speech therapy (despite being non verbal he was discharged from NHS speech therapy after having had 2 sessions in 3 years), occupational therapy (NHS wouldn’t even assess), mobility aids etc. I also still work ‘by the skin of my teeth’, despite not having had more than 3 hours sleep in a night for approx 5 years, and not in the highly paid role I worked so hard to qualify for, for so many years.
I know a lot of people in the SEN community, I have had to seek support from them because so many people don’t get it if they aren’t living this life. I don’t know a single person who claims just to buy loop earplugs or a new water bottle.

So how many flipping posts are there daily about pip and how we can’t afford it and they people try to explain why it’s needed eg to pay for adapted potato peelers or nappies? In contrast so few worries or complaints about the above re legalised tax avoidance that really should be stopped.

Why? That’s the question because I can tell you something - the working and middle classes that we are at the idiots squabbling for the left overs and attacking our disabled.

its disgraceful.

I got told that my disabled son should not go to the cinema with a PA as the Pa costs should not be bourne by the tax payer. Did that person care when they ordered from Amazon or bought a coffee from Starbucks that they managed their tax affairs in such a way as described above?

Sorry but we are being played like idiots to bash the disabled and you are all fools to not realise it.

I would ask more a question like - why are some organisations paying so little tax!

Okay then, beyond the themes of taxation funding benefit claimants who do and don't work versus global giants exploiting taxation loopholes

Can you concisely show how its related in terms of functional relevance to the thread??

else, you've introduced 2 separate topics that need their own threads

Alternatively, one could drop the its all related meta concept to every online forum thread on the planet and ask "what is truth and where does it reside in the of social media today? what is the point of forums if we no longer appear to have shared consensus of truth, facts by way of Socratic method and objective reality as per Descartes et al???

I don’t think any reasonable person would suggest anyone would choose those challenges.

i think there should be a lot more and a lot better targetted support for those with disabilities that need it. I think the challenge is the wider welfare bill spend dilutes what’s available. If we can get folk working who can be working it would provide greater ability to spend more on disability support.

I don’t think any reasonable person would suggest anyone would choose those challenges.

i think there should be a lot more and a lot better targetted support for those with disabilities that need it. I think the challenge is the wider welfare bill spend dilutes what’s available. If we can get folk working who can be working it would provide greater ability to spend more on disability support.

I don’t think any reasonable person would suggest anyone would choose those challenges.

i think there should be a lot more and a lot better targetted support for those with disabilities that need it. I think the challenge is the wider welfare bill spend dilutes what’s available. If we can get folk working who can be working it would provide greater ability to spend more on disability support.

Of course no one begrudges benefits going to families with your level of need. On the contrary, I want to see the government ensure more money goes to families like yours

People have referred to having to support via taxes the disabled.

The reality is that their taxes are in the main being used to prop up the state because other organisations are not paying in my opinion their fair share.

The reason we can’t afford pip I think is the slippage in tax take from clever tax avoidance .All legal but in my view morally wrong. That’s my opinion.

I believe that there is a picture of attacking the most vulnerable and focusing attention on that as a distraction from all the other stuff. However the biggest cost to society is not pip but the off shoring of wealth.

One would almost think it deliberate to have all these arguments on pip as a distraction.

The working and middle classes are being encouraged to scrap and in the meantime the bigger picture is the uber wealthy becoming even more so. It’s such an issue now that our votes will count for nothing and one day we will have a Bladerunner situation where multinational control the world and we are just given subsidence moneys to exist.

People argue we can’t afford pip but seemingly we can afford to kill off our businesses here that don’t have fancy overseas licences : royalty fees or patent fees to limit any profits with a Caribbean off shore address.

As for getting disabled into work - where are the jobs? Our graduates are not working!

I don’t think there’s any world in which reducing benefits to other people would result in more benefits coming to families like ours.

Even if every disabled person could work there are no jobs for them. The people classed as unemployed are those deemed fit for work and there are not even enough jobs for them. You are living in a fantasy land is you think we can crack down on illness and get everyone back to work.

Also it’s impossible anyway as an example my son rants and talks to himself as part of his ND/ ASD / complex needs

There were 2.5 unemployed people per vacancy in May to July 2026. The ratio has remained at 2.5 since July to September 2025 (after previously increasing quarter on quarter since July to September 2024) and is up from 2.3 in the same period a year ago.

Would you accept that in order for that to happen more jobs need to be created so people who are genuinely well enough to work can actually find employment?

Me either.

The answer is not to go and dehumanise other people is it? People who have no power, or ability to control what you get, or don't get. That is not going to do anything to help your own situation. Pointing fingers at other groups of people, while in the same breath, complaining that the group of people you are trying to protect, are under attack, is well... I don't think I need to say anything more.

Isn’t the root cause of poverty not having a job(s) that provides an income commensurate with desired standard of living?

Notwithstanding that per the definition of poverty, there might always be those in “poverty” even if everyone in the country is a millionaire.

No, it's not. Poverty means not being able to afford to eat or put the heating on.

The issue is that we are all being encouraged to fight anongst the scraps. I see it. We are high income family and the high middle classes are also being squeezed until the pips come out with fiscal drag etc.

So we start attacking each other like hyenas and particularly like bashing the disabled and the single mums etc.

Above the fray are the uber billionaires who don’t care about any of us. How many posts are there bashing this complete inequality of wealth where the uber rich are worth billions?

I bet that in 2 decades time the middle classes and working classes will be so far divorced from the over rich we will return to a world to the ancien regime in. France. The Uber rich will allow us just enough to not revolt ie enough food and a home and maybe a holiday.

So the point is how many endless posts are there about pip - almost daily and yet so few about the uber wealthy not paying their share of tax.

No it’s based on percentiles of wealth so that even if everyone had more money the bottom tenth would be deemed in relative poverty

I mean let’s benefit bash and not worry about this sort of stuff!

Duke of Westminster will not pay billions
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Juliette Garside
The fact that Hugh Grosvenor’s estate is held in a trust means that his £9bn inheritance is likely to remain largely intact

Thu 11 Aug 2016 15.37 BST
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Had the Grosvenor estate bequeathed to the new Duke of Westminster been liable for 40% inheritance tax, the amount owed to the Treasury would have been not far off the government’s entire death duty take for the last financial year.
Hugh Grosvenor, however, avoids a significant cut to his £9bn inheritance because the estate is held in a trust.
Britain’s generous trust law ensures that the country’s largest fortunes are largely kept intact. This is borne out by statistics which show that duties are a modest source of revenue for the Treasury. HMRC collected total tax of £534bn in 2015-16, of which inheritance tax receipts represented £4.7bn.

New Duke of Westminster inherits £9bn fortune aged 25
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“The benefits of trusts are that they don’t form part of somebody’s estate,” says Ian Dyall, a manager at the financial adviser Towry. “In a discretionary trust, you have a whole pick list of potential beneficiaries which the trustees can choose to appoint benefits to. Because of that, you can’t point a finger to any potential beneficiary and say that’s your money. Money can stay in the trust and cascade down from generation to generation and nobody pays inheritance tax on it.”

That might be an official definition but it's not a helpful one imo. Looking at poverty in relative terms allows people to kid themselves that no one in the country is actually, properly, can't-afford-to-eat poor. And unfortuately that's not the reality.

As tax rates go up, those people / entities which can move will move.

Yes but remember there’s no mythical beast in the ether than magically creates job. It comes from enterprise in the private sector enabled by supporting tax and investment frameworks.

You can’t just tell someone to create jobs….

I think you should recheck the accepted definition of poverty. It’s an income 60% below the median income. Thats says nothing about what can income can or can’t provide for. Thus you could have poverty millionaires.