One in six PIP claimants have no extra costs linked to their disability

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/40693771/pip-claimants-disability-benefit/
So, can money be saved here?

The UK has struggled with low productivity growth for years. As well as advising the government to get borrowing under control, the IMF are recommending reforms and investment to encourage growth and help lift living standards and public finances over the long term.

Using that definition, yes. But I don't need to recheck anything, because the exact dictionary definition of poverty isn't what I am attempting to discuss. This is starting to feel like deflection tbh, and it seems to me that some on this thread don't want to concede that what I'm saying is in fact true. That in a supposedly developed country there are people living in true, abject poverty. That there are indeed people who cannot afford to feed themselves or keep warm. As I keep saying, it's in that context that I'm using the term 'poverty'.

Have they said anything about how we're supposed to care for the poor under their suggested measures?

The IMF might say that caring for the poor is exactly why it wants stronger growth and sustainable public finances.

It generally advocates protecting targeted support for vulnerable households while pursuing reforms intended to raise productivity and wages.

Economic growth increases tax revenues.

How does that square with removing a person’s only possible source of income?

They may not personally have extra costs but as a household they will, extra heating, washing, repairing damage from wheelchairs, meltdowns, replacing shoes that wear out quicker due to poor walking, clothing that gets lost or damaged. I get PIP & my household costs are higher due to being housebound, I have to pay delivery charges on most things I buy, my heating is on 12 hours a day due to not being able to maintain my body temperature, I have to pay for my cleaner, simple things like repairs, things like putting furniture together, decorating, simply DIY jobs.

It doesn’t but that is not what the IMF is suggesting… hence “…by protecting targeted support for vulnerable households.”
I suspect very few people object to provision of support (PIP or otherwise) for those with no alternative. It’s the people who are abusing the system who are likely to get tax payers’ backs up.

There is so reason anyone in the UK should be living in abject poverty given the opportunities and support available.

And some of us have families that will step up and do what is necessary to ameliorate the consequences of illness and disabilities so preventing us becoming a burden in the state.

I’m not dehumanising them.
Im saying l do not think we should be paying billions in disability & welfare payments to non British citizens.
By the end of this decade 27 billion will be the cost of welfare payments to non British nationals. (Center for Social Justice figures).
Twenty Seven Billion. (And that’s without those from the ,’Boris Wave’).
Maybe , just maybe if the welfare bill was more realistic we wouldn’t get threads like this full of indignant people who think PIP claimants should get vouchers if we were not paying out tens of billions to non British Nationals.
The Welfare state was not set up to pay welfare to the world.
I don’t have another country to go to -this is where I was born , as were the 10 generations before me.
Foreign nationals have their countries of origin - if they don’t like the set up there then they need to vote, work and fight for it like my parents, grandparents, etc did.

We cannot afford this welfare bill. I totally agree it’s unsustainable.
But instead of attacking and de humanising British nationals, why not stop paying the people who are not British claiming every penny they can to the detriment of our own country and people.
Then, and only then, start weeding out the British people who are scamming the system and looking at ways to make the system better rather than making it unfit for use so people just don’t claim.

What is this supposed to mean?

Wow. Xenophobia much?

My DS gets PIP. He's technically a foreign national.

He was born here.

How much lower can people sink?

Oh, and he works.

And some do not...

Yes, I wish I did. My family are all dead, sadly.

Please tell me you're joking.

That's great. What about those who haven't?

Parts of this thread suggest otherwise, including the opening post.

🙄 Good Night.

Before pip and DLA, the only equivalent was disablement grant that only people who could not walk got. No one else got anything extra.

FGS.
Name me any other country in the world where you can go, work, get housed, access healthcare, and claim benefits - and then stop working and claim more benefits while the country borrows more and more, pays billions every month in interest. Where 4 out of 5 jobs go to foreign nationals. Oh and provide translators too as I can’t be arsed to learn another language. They will also need to provide money and support for my paraplegic husband and I’ll need to bring him and my DD.
If you let me know so l can look into it.
Your DS was born here . Utterly different. He isn’t a non British born foreign national.
Call me xenophobic, call me racist, bigot etc. I don’t care.
I’m past caring.
l left ‘giving a fuck’ behind a long time ago.

Rubbish. You’ve been drinking Nigel’s koolaid forgetting it’s laced with tripe.

“Johnny foreigner” is not to blame for our welfare bill issues. Even if he were, you wouldn’t only tackle British issues once Johnny’s issues have been resolved - the world doesn’t require sequential working in that sense.

Re. PIP, or a portion of it, being awarded in vouchers. Isn’t this preferential? Surely that way cost of living issues and inflation pressures are removed from the table and recipients don’t need to worry about turn.

ie 1 x voucher for 1 x hour of physio / kg veg or whatever will always get the recipient 1 x hour of physio / kg of veg independent of micro and macro economic cost increased, meaning recipients are sheltered financially?

Isnt this preferable?

physio / veg chosen as random examples only

If the aim is to save money on the PIP bill, this will not work. The admin involved in managing all this will cost much more than the measure saves.

It also will not work for people whose conditions mean they need to pay for things like transport and extra heating - because those things cost what they cost. My DS uses taxis on days when he is unable to wheel his wheelchair (because his shoulders will dislocate). Taxi drivers are not going to accept lower fares.

4 of out 5 jobs go to “foreign nationals”? What planet are you on?

Even if it were true (Hint: it’s isn’t) what would that say about the quality of “British workers” if someone who doesn’t know the culture, doesn’t speak the language, doesn’t have any connections, and doesn’t have any in-country work experience can get jobs ahead of them?!

Just think for a minute and you might realise you’ve been brainwashed into believed a whole load of rubbish and not applying any critical thinking

I think my point was that if people had to rely on family support more people could. Instead we have become a nation that thinks the state should pick up the pieces whenever something goes wrong. That is not the role of the state. Of course there will be people who truly have no one to help or for whom the needs are too great but the family should be the first port of call, not the state.

That headline is an egregious misuse of statistics. The Times has already retracted it and printed an apology. The xenophobes on this thread will ignore that and will keep spreading it, like a muckspreader on a field.