One in six PIP claimants have no extra costs linked to their disability

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/40693771/pip-claimants-disability-benefit/
So, can money be saved here?

Children with this level of need are frequently cared for ( and educated) by one parent but that parent has often become an expert way beyond what most childcare providers could provide and they have no choice. I don't understand why people would want to make the lives of parents in this situation more difficult.

Even with my son’s needs ‘only’ deemed to require 1:1 care, he was still out of school for 18 months due to no suitable educational provision being available for him. So the chances of sufficient wraparound/holiday care for children with high support needs popping up is sadly slim to say the least.
I don’t think people realise just how little support is out there for us and for our children.
As I mentioned above, one of the reasons I had to leave my job was because my son only sleeps 3 hours a night, and as he requires full time supervision that means I only sleep 3 hours a night. Even working 2 hours a day, term time only is a massive challenge for me and I have developed an autoimmune condition that my consultant believes to be due to severe stress and exhaustion.

If anyone thinks people willingly choose this life for the sake of £330 a month carers allowance, well then I don’t really know what to say to them.

Every word of this! Excellent post.

Yes. They are. It's impossible to get the benefits bill down without tackling the root causes of poverty, and imo this is where the IMF should be focusing its commentary.

Yep.

I was 'let go' from my job due to taking too much time off, my son was in hospital at the time.

My son also requires care during the night which means I get little sleep.

They have the option and capability of earning more money though.
We haven’t.
I managed to get a job last year .
I had it for 10 months then had to leave as I was on the verge of a total breakdown.
Take the PIP away and I’ll have no option but to get another job.
But this time I’ll have to move my husband into supported living - at the cost to the taxpayer of around £2k per week.
Makes the PIP he gets -which he would still get in the form of these fabled ‘vouchers’ - seem cheap doesn’t it??

I expect these crying grown men you allege to have seen have had a shower in the last year though??

Perhaps if benefits were stopped in the first instance for non British nationals there wouldn’t be this frankly evil drive to remove certain benefits from the most vulnerable.
Im sick to death of feeding the fucking world.
Every migrant that comes over on a boat, or on a plane from Afghanistan costs around 6x more than my poor poor husband who paid tax and now is expected to beg for ‘vouchers’. I bet they don’t have to wait for more than 24 hrs for a shower!
Great I’m crying again. Just one day without feeling shit would be nice.

Fair point and I'm sorry for the situations that have came your way.
These types of threads can end up that all on benefits are at it.
I genuinely apologise to you and others I may have offended that wasn't my intention and I should've shown more nuance before posting.

You're right it was a nasty post I genuinely wouldn't wish misfortune on anyone.sometimes these threads become an outlet to attack disabled people.

Don't start with this nonsense about migrants. It is just as tedious as those people going on about disabled people. Always looking to blame others for why they feel they are not getting enough. Don't.

So why on earth aren't you getting angry about the state we're in? And by that I mean angry at the various govts that have brought us to this state of affairs, rather than wanting to punish the genuinely in need for the fact that benefit cheats exist?

Thank you for your apology.
I am not on benefits, I work, but sometimes by the skin of my teeth.

I agree with you
I think a huge part of the problem (judging by this thread) is some misguided belief that anyone not claiming PIP is living some charmed life.
People could be fighting battles on many fronts without claiming anything

We need to stop thinking that needing a <checks notes> extra replacement water bottles /loop ear plugs etc makes us someone with unique and special struggles. That's just normal features of life

I truly want to support those who really need the support properly, but that means we have to have some really grown up and nuanced conversations about where the line is. And that includes recognising that many in the non claiming population struggle on with all kinds of challenges

So total sample of n=2,570 ?

what % of that is 16-24 ?

16-64 working age cohort = 62.8% of 69.5 m 69.5m = 43.65m

16-24 working age cohort = 7,06m (2020)

Estimate of 16-24 responders in questionnaire = (7.06/43.65) x 2570 = 414

A sample of 414 young people, combined with a handful of generic proxy questions totally paints a valid picture to then extrapolate up into the true picture of young claimants disability costs...not ! <insert annoying Steve Carell voice>

First, our survey shows that conditions are not a good proxy for disabled people’s needs. In fact, there is a very weak relationship between PIP recipients’ conditions and whether they face extra disability-related costs: 89 per cent of PIP recipients with ADHD and 87 per cent of those with anxiety have extra costs as a result of their disability, for example, very similar to the 93 per cent with back pain and 94 per cent with arthritis.

Also, have you even looked at the charts?

Additional costs = green + amber

16-24 = 77% reported additional costs
25-34 = 78% reported additional costs
45-54 = 79% reported additional costs
55-64 = 90% reported additional costs

"Also, the fact that everyone here is quibbling about the fact that teenagers don’t know their disability costs ignores the fact that a large proportion of adults also reported no extra costs."

yet you previously posted to me:

that person doesn’t understand statistical validity, significance, data science, coding or perhaps the whole world of computing science😜

If the expectation is always a survey of the entire nation ‘just in case variables’ then there would be no surveys ever.

ok, because that has any relevance to the fact the assertions made in your last post hold as much water as a broken sieve 😆

Dont tell me what to say, do or think.
Do you think migrants are ‘free’??
It seems it’s ok to bash disabled people but heaven forfend we touch on or dare question the 10 million extra people most of whom are economically costing the taxpayer.

It says a lot about you that you feel the need to reprimand me over daring to mention ‘migrants’ but ignore the rest of my post.
And I don’t feel like I’m not getting enough.
I simply don’t want to feel more dehumanised than I already do.

Mums net devotes more time to pip then this

• UK Turnover / Revenue: Amazon's total UK activity revenues exceeded £29 billion (with specific main retail/services figures varying by legal entity). 1]
• Main UK Services Division (Amazon UK Services): For 2025, this division reported pre-tax profits of £355 million on current tax owed of £9.1m, which was offset by previous-period adjustments resulting in a £7.6 million tax credit rather than a net corporation tax payment for that specific sub-entity. 1]

Amazon keeps its reported pre-tax profits and corporation tax low in the UK through a combination of offshore sales routing, low-margin subsidiary structures, and massive operational reinvestment. 1, 2, 3]
Key Mechanisms Used
Offshore Sales & Profit Shifting: A large portion of retail sales to UK customers have historically been booked through Luxembourg-based entities like Amazon EU Sarl. This moves the primary sales revenues and resulting profits away from the UK books. 1, 2, 3]
Low-Margin Service Provider Model: UK-based subsidiaries (such as Amazon UK Services, which runs the fulfillment centers and delivery networks) are structured under the "independent entity principle". They act as internal service providers charging a cost-plus fee to the parent or European entities rather than recording retail profit margins themselves. 1, 2, 3]
Heavy Reinvestment and Capital Expenditure: Amazon continuously pours billions of pounds into UK infrastructure, logistics, warehouse robotics, and expansion. These massive capital investments and operating expenses are written off against revenues, suppressing paper pre-tax profits. 1, 2, 3]
Deductible Share-Based Compensation: Taxable profits in UK operating arms are further reduced by substantial allocations of parent-company (Amazon Inc.) share awards granted to managers and employees, which are claimed as corporate deductions. 1, 2]
Capital Allowances & Tax Credits: Even when local pre-tax profits climb, Amazon frequently offsets or eliminates its final UK corporation tax liability using government capital allowances, infrastructure relief, and super-deduction schemes tied to its massive warehouse investments. 1, 2]

But you guys keep worrying about pip payments and not for example the number of care homes funnelling profits abroad using low paid staff supported on UC to make their profits.

Talk about Rome burning

Or let’s discuss pip in context with this

Major UK care home operators and real estate owners use offshore companies, tax havens, and private equity structures to shift profits, hold property, and minimize tax. 1, 2, 3]
Key Care Home Operators and Owners with Offshore Ties
HC-One: One of the largest UK care home operators. Research by CICTAR and Panorama revealed that profits have been funneled through the Cayman Islands and related entities (such as FC Skyfall IOM Properties Limited in the Isle of Man) while reporting artificial losses. Some of its properties are also rented from offshore landlords based in Jersey. 1, 2]
Signature Senior Lifestyle, Gracewell Healthcare, & Sunrise Senior Living: Controlled by Revera Inc. and backed by PSP Investments (a Canadian government pension fund), these chains have been flagged in reports like Darkness at Sunrise: UK Care Homes Shifting Profits Offshore? for routing earnings through offshore structures and tax havens while charging high daily resident fees. 1, 2, 3]
Four Seasons Health Care: Historically burdened by complex debt and financial engineering, including past ownership arrangements and high-interest shareholder loans designed via multi-step offshore plans across Guernsey, Jersey, and Luxembourg (such as under Terra Firma). 1, 2]
Barchester Healthcare: Owned offshore by a small group of wealthy private investors, though it operates under a different financial model compared to debt-heavy private equity chains. 1]
Cindat / Omega Healthcare Investors: A Chinese state-backed investment group (Cindat) partnered with US-based Omega Healthcare Investors holds dozens of care home and nursing property titles in the UK through companies registered in Jersey and the Cayman Islands. 1]
Common Offshore Mechanisms
Tax Haven Landlords: Property and land tied to major care homes are frequently registered in jurisdictions like Jersey, Guernsey, the Isle of Man, or the Cayman Islands. 1]
Sale-and-Leaseback & Internal Rents: Operating companies pay high rent and interest payments to sister or parent companies based offshore, which artificially reduces UK taxable profits. 1, 2, 3]
Private Equity Extraction: Research from organizations like the Centre for Health and the Public Interest notes that substantial portions of revenue are drained via debt servicing, dividends, and property leasing rather than reinvested into frontline care. 1]

probably one for its own thread, its quite the unexpected tangent

along with the Amazon post

Oh I think it’s all connected

There is a distraction at play to attack the disabled and it’s pretty shocking. My son is disabled and my DH is a high tax payer. Even before our son was born neither of us minded paying for those in need.

Now I have a vested interest but this constant attack on pip and disability seems pointed and o suspect distracts from the real issues.

but please enjoy your coffees at cafes with off shore profits and read your foreign owned papers etc etc that tell you to attack the disabled.

Perhaps stop visiting these people and then we can afford to look after our disabled

Starbucks' UK retail business paid £0.00 in UK corporation tax in its most recent reported fiscal year (recording a pre-tax loss of £35m), though it previously paid £7.2m in the prior year. 1, 2, 3]
As for Sky (the broadcaster/telecom company), historical reports note it contributes over £1 billion a year in total UK taxes (including VAT, national insurance, and business rates), and previously faced scrutiny over specific tax-minimisation setups like a £30m–£40m annual VAT magazine arrangement before restructuring. 1, 2]
Key Starbucks UK Figures
Latest Year: Paid no corporation tax and received a tax credit after reporting a pre-tax loss (impacted by around £40m in royalty and licensing fees paid to parent companies). 1, 2]
Prior Year: Paid £7.2m in UK corporation tax on a pre-tax profit of £16.9m. 1]
Historical Context: Long-term criticism stems from paying just £8.6m in corporation tax over its first 14 years in Britain despite billions in sales, by routing revenue through internal intellectual property and royalty fees.

Oh but let’s not forget this

but let people keep worrying about pip payments- it’s called creating a distraction whilst the uber rich get richer.

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