One in six PIP claimants have no extra costs linked to their disability

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/40693771/pip-claimants-disability-benefit/
So, can money be saved here?

Or… lose it (to keep the solution simple) but get enhanced (vs current and to a great extent than purely to offset loss of child benefit) disability provision for their children? Ie it’s recognised that can’t access the mainstream enhancements but they’re “compensated for” via alternative means?

just a thought

To be devils advocate…: surely in that school of thought, nothing benefits “all kids” as there’ll always be someone who for some nuanced reason misses out?

it doesn’t mean they’re not widely considered as benefitting “all kids”, for example.

I mean, we couldn’t even say free education benefits all kids in your logic as not all kids can access it… which feels unnecessarily restrictive language

I should have added: I never said it would be instead of disability benefits. It was instead of child benefit.

It does not affect her skin. She gets crippling headaches and fatigue after light exposure.
She used to have a great job that sent her all around the world. She came down with some infection when abroad in her 40s. Her consultants said it came from that. I met her in a MH support group. She was there after being inpatient due to hitting the booze and losing the plot. She really loved her job and the travel and missed it all and the lifestyle.
She is still classed as employed by them due to some sort of insurance, so despite not being able to work for years, she is still on about 75% of her old income. She still has her laptop despite not being able to use it.

She loves gardening and walking her dogs. She can't do either for a lot of the year. It really gets her down.

That isn't going to save money though which I thought was ultimately the goal? It would cost a lot and is probably a reason why it doesn't already exist.

I can imagine. Thanks for sharing

I wasn’t the one who said all DC would benefit from it. If you didn’t mean all DC, then your post should have explained all DC.

However, all DC are entitled to a free education. If that cannot be accessed in schools, there is EOTAS/EOTIS/C and s19 provision. Although LAs act unlawfully too often and parents are forced to enforce the law.

Sorry, replace where I said disability benefits with CB then. The point still stands.

Thank you for wanting to understand. Some people thing photophobia is just needing sunglasses. It affects so much more.

Why are there so many more people with life limiting disabilities in this country than there used to be? That is the real question. And would they have these disabilities if there were no benefits and they knew from day one that there was no alternative but just to suck it up and get on with life?

Do you know what 'life limiting' means? Fucking hell.

Well, my son had cancer which almost killed him and now he'll be disabled for the rest of his life.

Would he have still had cancer and be disabled for the rest of his life without benefits? Yes.

He sucks it up and gets on with his life. More than most people I know who haven't had to face half of what he has.

Any more questions?

Exactly, same here as I denied I was disabled.

Yes, my DSs would still have their disabilities, including the LLI, without benefits.

Both of mine would likely be dead as young children had they been born years ago.

DD2 would have got an infection from one of her cataplexy injuries and died. I’d likely have been told/made to put her in a home as late as the 70s.

DD3 wouldn’t have survived her first year without two heart surgeries.

What a naive comment! It isn't a question of blame. We all have to pay, either now or in the future. Our children and grandchildren will be in a lot worse state than we are now if something isn't done to curb expenditure. Everyone has to live within their means. That applies to countries as well as people.

So why punch down?

We are living beyond our means. Either we make tough choices now and maintain some sort of a welfare safety net, or our grandchildren will have no welfare at all and still be paying down the debt.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041714/united-kingdom-all-time-child-mortality-rate/

200 years ago, one child in three didn't see their fifth birthday.

People died a lot younger and a lot more easily prior to the advent of modern medicine and public health measures. A disabled person can be treated and survive for longer compared to 200 years ago, but that doesn't translate into being able to work.

I was born autistic. Before I was diagnosed in my 40s, I was autistic. I didn't decide to become autistic because the Govt introduced PIP. it has adversely affected me all my life, including self-esteem so bad that I've attempted suicide, getting fired from jobs, and being raped repeatedly by the kind of predatory men who see a vulnerable woman and think "oh goody". On that last point, nine-tenths of autistic women are sexual assault victims. But sure, we are faking it for the benefits 🙄

I don't see the Duke of Westminster making tough choices. Funny how it's the poor and the workers who always end up making those.

We aren't £3trillion in debt because of PIP. Look at the State Pension bill first.

You’re obsessed with the Duke 😅

Move on maybe?

I can only go on what I have been told by the claimant. I do know that my claim took months and hers 2 weeks with no other illness or disability other than alcoholism so we will have to agree to disagree. Either way the system is broken, although how to fix it without alienating those in need, I do not know!

The timeline and decisions with PIP depends on the desk they fall on.