One in six PIP claimants have no extra costs linked to their disability

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/40693771/pip-claimants-disability-benefit/
So, can money be saved here?

That's always the answer, isn't it. We can afford to pay limitless welfare simply by taxing the rich. The 10% of earners who pay over 60% of the tax must be taxed more so that 35% of people can pay no tax at all.
You seem to want a fairer society. How is any of that fair?
Besides which, as we have seen over the last few months, if you tax people too much they leave the country taking not only their own tax input with them, but also the jobs they help to create.
We do have to get real about this. Politics is the art of the possible and the practicable. There are answers but paying people with mental health issues and neurodivergent conditions not to work is not one of them.

Mmm..ok

Landowners can't take land with them, that's rather the point of a land value tax.

You've fabricated claims of wanting an "unlimited welfare bill", twisting my objection to further cuts into a lie.

Can I check, in this fairer system of yours, would you end up contributing more or less and receive more or less of a handout than at present? Just trying to understand any COI you may have.

Also, if fairness of what you’re after, why not just set everyone’s tax at the same % eg 25%?

I’d have been dead at birth only a very few years before I was born. Even if there was no alternative I’d still have my disabilities.

Should I just have been left to die?

I tried through my workplace and was declined.

im glad for you that your limitations are such that you were able to get those insurance products. But I can’t. Not through my workplace, anyway.

The cost of providing wraparound care and extra curricular activities, with the correct ratios, dietary requirements, experience, qualifications and adaptations to all of the children at my sons school would be astronomical.

Certainly not cheaper than child benefit.

What extra expenses do they have ?

as in ex dh - he doesn’t have any extra to pay for

would just spend in on vodka and die even quicker

he gets lwcra and spend a most of the £400 extra he gets on top of uc on booze

but for most people pip is to help benefit their lives whether buying extra equipment or paying for travel /physio costs etc

It’s not difficult.

All benefits including state pension, free bus passes, winter fuel payments, all disability benefits should be means tested.

All of it.

Agreed. Took just over a year for DH shower but we were luckier. Also I'm appalled that as the main carer they won't even give you your flu jab during the home visit. That is sticking by the 'rules' gone mad.

Which 35 are paying no tax at all?

I thought I’d ask chatGPT to create a chart of modern and historical disability benefits over time, adjusted for inflation. It shows the PIP thing is off the scale.

Leaving severely disabled people who have a partner with means above whatever level you're proposing completely at the mercy of others for absolutely everything. You realise what a race to the bottom that could be for some people I assume?

And here’s the combined spend, also adjusted for inflation. Again, it highlights the significant recent increase in spending.

If you start means testing things like disability benefits then those who will suffer the most are those who earn just over the threshold who will be left struggling for the sake of earning a few £ too much. It also removes any incentive for those people to keep on working if they can!

the threshold cut off for carers allowance already creates enough hardship!

Then some disabled people would have to give up work because currently their pip means they can work

Well it could be means tested on their individual income

I fail to see why someone earning over 100k or with significant assets should get PIP.

If the income level is set high enough that wouldn't be an issue.

Wow.

So disabled people can’t have any ambition they have to just take the basic jobs because they won’t be able to afford to take the promotions others can?

Benefits whenever they are means tested are for obvious reasons always means tested on the household, not the individual. That is how it will work if God forbid it ever happens. 15 years in welfare benefits as a profession tells me this would lead to some real suffering.

I don’t think that astronomical given some parents already have to pay for wraparound care (which is a lot cheaper than paying for nursery!).

even if more expensive, I reckon a better targeted investment on kids and society more holistically rather than just given parents a few £££ to spend as they choose

Presumably they have the extra cost of having to buy all the alcohol….? Can’t be cheap.

Note: I don’t believe they should get PIP. Nor should anyone for any other disability that’s at the level it is as a result of them not managing it and / or it being self inflicted (I exclude accidents from sport etc as in general there’s a positive ROI on sport but would include alcoholics, drug addicts, mental issues where they’re say doing nothing rather than trying to manage through activity and integration etc).

I agree.

It’s not just about the expense, it’s about the waste. While many parents will be conscientious with their spending and ensure it directly or indirectly benefits the child, sadly many don’t and I’ve seen this first hand - DLA spent on vapes and rubbish for the parent (as part of the household budget which is then inevitably overdrawn). While claiming a couple of fidget toys from Temu constitutes ‘loads of disability expenses’

Why? People often talk of fairness on these threads yet then push taxing “the rich more” and given them even less (means testing), despite them contributing the most and already being asked for more.

Doesn’t seem an overly fair social contract. Seems some have to give give give whilst (being vilified for daring to have money and) others get to take their take.

perhaps a more toned solution in which everyone is more self sufficient and accountable for their own basic needs and contributing to society would be better and needed?

clearly I’m not talking about disabled people having to support themselves, but the countless masses of unemployed, those that have kids they can’t afford, and / or those that choose work part time and / or in jobs they know won’t pay them enough to fund the lifestyle they want. They need to take more self accountability and start providing for themselves or cutting their cloth. Always expecting others to fund them has to stop