One in six PIP claimants have no extra costs linked to their disability

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/40693771/pip-claimants-disability-benefit/
So, can money be saved here?

There is no such thing as "automatic acceptance" with PIP.
Maybe when someone is terminally ill.

No, no, no. All of us who don't get pip have charmed lives with perfect health.

Be careful you don’t wander too far and fall off the edge of the earth as it looks flat from where you’re coming from

For 2 of my DC it has been deemed inappropriate for provision to be made in a school or college because of their disabilities. That wouldn’t suddenly change for breakfast/lunch/dinner clubs, wraparound care, etc. They wouldnt be able to attend. It wouldn’t be a choice not to.

She has multiple glasses and lenses already.

On a sunny day, she wears her glasses, a visor, and still had to be escorted about. She is classed as blind in the day.

To use your terminology, unearned handouts could be considered “stolen” as those paying the taxes had no choices.

Just an alternative point of view (not one I subscribe to) along the vein of thought of your previous for you to consider….

We are on the third water bottle this term and the second raincoat, school lost property system leaves a lot to be desired even with multiple labels on everything. I feel your pain. We also don't claim for DS but it definitely costs more.

There are sen provisions though for children with very complex needs.

I’m well aware of chancel liability, it’s fairly common when you buy a house.

I wouldn’t consider them “leeches”: they’re a charity (or more correctly, their constituent parts are charities) thus aren’t by definition. Often funded by their own congregations so not something you have to worry about if that’s your concern.

Interesting use of leech though, particularly that you’ve not used it in the sense of the behaviours you’re advocating: taking others money to spend on your own choices. I’d say that is leech behaviour.

i suspect you haven’t thought to consider the costs of property maintenance, upkeep, insurance, and where the earned money for that comes from.

But sure, keep banging your ideological drum to the entitled tune of taking money of others (ironically because you claim they’re not entitled to it as it’s unearned in your definition yet you’re somehow entitled to it!)

If you can’t do the tasks on the form safely, repeatedly (as in as often as required through the day), to an acceptable standard and in a reasonable amount of time (not 3/4/5 times longer than the average person) then it’s not embellishing.

My daughter has narcolepsy with cataplexy. Physically she could pick up a knife to chop vegetables or stir a pot if boiling water for pasta. It’s not embellishing to say she cannot do it in the terms of the form because of the dangers to her if she tried.

So what’s your solution? No-one gets to benefit and we drag everyone to the bottom?

All crabs at the bottom of the bucket are all equal I guess.

Yes and some children have needs that can't be met in those provisions either. So they have education other than at school packages.

Thanks for sharing. That’s fascinating. I’ve never come across it before but can see how it could impact someone’s life to the extent of effectively being blind during the day time.

Not for all DC there isn’t.

There is no provision DS1 can go to. No breakfast/lunch/dinner clubs, no wraparound care, no APs, no extracurricular clubs, no SEN groups…

Even for DS3, who has complex needs but less complex than DS1, there are no breakfast/lunch/dinner clubs, no wraparound care, no SEN groups… that can meet needs. There is one AP he can go to for 2 days pw as part of his EOTIS package but no other APs can meet needs. There are no group extracurricular clubs/sessions he can go to.

Ah ok so they’re already covered for and PP’s point is therefore irrelevant if I’ve understood correctly.

Not irrelevant. EOTAS/EOTIS/C packages are education packages. They don’t cover wraparound childcare or breakfast/dinner clubs. Extra-curricular activities are only covered if they are SEP.

She can only watch TV for a limited time. The windows in her house have film on them, as does most of the windows in her car. She has a Blue Badge.
It affects her DH as he pretty much has to live in darkness too.
When she visits me, I have to turn all the lights off.
She jokes she is a vampire 😆

I understand but can I check: are you advocating that as a society we shouldn’t be investing in these provisions as a whole for kids that can access them?

Or are you suggesting that because some can’t no-one should have access to them?

The former feels the pragmatic approach that would benefit society holistically, the later seems unnecessarily restrictive and short sighted.

Parents of disabled children keep their child benefit?

Sorry I misunderstood and am also not sure what SEP stands for.

Neither. I am suggesting that you saying they “would benefit all kids” is wrong and such provision should not be instead of disability benefits.

Special educational provision.

Wow. That’s incredible. I bet there’s some crossover in terms of how those that have the skin condition that means they have to avoid sun light have to live, and can see how it’d affect the family.

Can I ask, is it a condition she / that is developed or is it from birth? No problem of course if you don’t want to share

Thanks