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BOTWATCH 92!! We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …

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YouOKHun · 29/04/2026 02:15

A bit of information for those curious about MLM.
Forever Living goes tits up https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/why-has-forever-living-products-closed-down-its-mlm-business-in-the-usa/
The Dream
The Secrets of the Multilevel Millionaires
Recruitment fibs https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/the-recruiting-lies-mlms-tell-you/
Why did they leave MLM? https://mlmtruth.org/2020/06/18/breaking-up-with-your-mlm/
Infographic mlmtruth.org/infographic/

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https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/why-has-forever-living-products-closed-down-its-mlm-business-in-the-usa/

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Spongebobette · 07/08/2026 05:32

i think we award points here for spotting bots in the wild!

WorthySloth · 07/08/2026 07:51

Well I won’t be seeing uber this summer I expect… actually really surprised I haven’t seen her at some point as I spend a lot of time near her holiday home and near where she generally hangs out.

YouOKHun · 07/08/2026 08:05

Please please don’t let there be two Rictus in existence @WorthySloth !

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Intrepidobserver · 07/08/2026 15:43

Who else thinks that the list of apparent orders yawn insists on showing us are orders made by her and probably then cancelled!!

hourglass2 · 07/08/2026 20:23

Spongebobette · 05/08/2026 14:00

‘I don’t want go down the manifestation route/ woo woo/ all that’

But 5 minutes ago she was promoting her expertise as a manifestation expert!!!

The whole blumming thing was based on woo stuff when she launched this crap back in October 2024! It's not bringing in the millions she so desperately wants so she changes direction.....again, she's such a fly by night.

hourglass2 · 07/08/2026 20:24

Intrepidobserver · 07/08/2026 15:43

Who else thinks that the list of apparent orders yawn insists on showing us are orders made by her and probably then cancelled!!

Oh yes she did that in FL

YouOKHun · 08/08/2026 18:41

Oh Yawn, sometimes things are best left in the 1980s or at the back of Dame Edna Everage’s wardrobe.

Stick to writing fake reviews and other trickery learned from Forever Living. Do not waste your precious fivers on hideous “vintage pieces”. Save those fivers to pay someone for the removal of the ivy now growing through your thatch.

That house of a yawn’s is looking very tired in her latest post when compared to the photos still online from the previous owners. It’s really a reflection of a lack of maintenance for years, since they moved in. Really it should have been easy to chuck money at that house with a six figure income …

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user1471446301 · 08/08/2026 20:42

YouOKHun · 08/08/2026 18:41

Oh Yawn, sometimes things are best left in the 1980s or at the back of Dame Edna Everage’s wardrobe.

Stick to writing fake reviews and other trickery learned from Forever Living. Do not waste your precious fivers on hideous “vintage pieces”. Save those fivers to pay someone for the removal of the ivy now growing through your thatch.

That house of a yawn’s is looking very tired in her latest post when compared to the photos still online from the previous owners. It’s really a reflection of a lack of maintenance for years, since they moved in. Really it should have been easy to chuck money at that house with a six figure income …

oh dear that is very much Clock house at C&A, I think I had similar in 1985 when I hit the working world at 22 :) As she was born in 1980 why on earth would she want to revive such hideousness. The house unravelling is a direct correlation to her life and bizniss.

user1471446301 · 10/08/2026 19:39

Yawn can't photoshop her trampoline video. Pause it at any given point and enlarge, there are no abs under that vest or a flat stomach. Her arms and legs in her underwear photo from last week also bear no resemblance to her thighs and arms in the video. If you zoom in on the underwear video (taken with her former self) look from the neck down to the top of her cleavage there are ribbed lines and a cut off at the lower neck I honestly think shes put her head on another persons body!

Crwysmam · 10/08/2026 22:00

user1471446301 · 10/08/2026 19:39

Yawn can't photoshop her trampoline video. Pause it at any given point and enlarge, there are no abs under that vest or a flat stomach. Her arms and legs in her underwear photo from last week also bear no resemblance to her thighs and arms in the video. If you zoom in on the underwear video (taken with her former self) look from the neck down to the top of her cleavage there are ribbed lines and a cut off at the lower neck I honestly think shes put her head on another persons body!

I think her face is more telling in the trampoline video. We know she is a stress eater. I suspect she’s been hitting Uber Eats and has been scoffing secret Maccy D's again. My late DF used to refer to alcoholics as “secret lemonade drinkers” for anyone as old as me they will get the reference. Yawn is a “secret Big Mac muncher”. Mr Yawn is at work most of the day so she has ample opportunity.
Disclamer: I too am a stress eater so understand the difficulty in keeping the worry monster muncher at bay. However, having sold my very successful business and retired early with a substantial rock solid pension I no longer stress eat, in fact I often find that by 4pm my blood sugar has plummeted because I’ve forgotten to eat. I don’t suffer from “food noise” and the don't drink alcohol so food has always been my go to comfort when the pressure becomes too much. Although not all stress sends me to the fridge, only work and financial pressure.

user1471446301 · 11/08/2026 07:32

Crwysmam · 10/08/2026 22:00

I think her face is more telling in the trampoline video. We know she is a stress eater. I suspect she’s been hitting Uber Eats and has been scoffing secret Maccy D's again. My late DF used to refer to alcoholics as “secret lemonade drinkers” for anyone as old as me they will get the reference. Yawn is a “secret Big Mac muncher”. Mr Yawn is at work most of the day so she has ample opportunity.
Disclamer: I too am a stress eater so understand the difficulty in keeping the worry monster muncher at bay. However, having sold my very successful business and retired early with a substantial rock solid pension I no longer stress eat, in fact I often find that by 4pm my blood sugar has plummeted because I’ve forgotten to eat. I don’t suffer from “food noise” and the don't drink alcohol so food has always been my go to comfort when the pressure becomes too much. Although not all stress sends me to the fridge, only work and financial pressure.

R Whites! I remember that advert, the fella in his pyjamas sneaking down to drink the lemonade! If I didn't dislike Yawn and all she has done over the years she would have my sympathy as her life must be very miserable and like you say stressful keeping ahead of the lies and the wolf from the Thatch as it is I only feel contempt. Look where her 200 quid in a box has got her, worse than where she started and dragged many down with her.

GuelderRoses · 11/08/2026 12:33

I've got the jingle from that R Whites lemonade advert living in my head now!

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 11/08/2026 13:07

We all suspected at the time that the large weight loss was down to a jab as it all happened so quickly. (BTW no shade thrown here but don't pretend it's aloe jizz and mango). It's natural that some of that weight would go back on, but you can't exercise it off, and I imagine there's no money in the pot to go back on the jabs.

Crikeyalmighty · 11/08/2026 13:49

What I don’t get is on the trampoline video she looks physically like - er me!! On the one today in the tiny green shorts —nope I def don’t look like that!! Is she going round editing all her photos and using other peoples bodies I wonder?

Intrepidobserver · 11/08/2026 14:38

I can almost guarantee she's editing her photos. In real life she's heavier in build.

Spongebobette · 11/08/2026 16:54

And there is nothing wrong with whatever her build happens to be of course!

It’s like everything else in her life though, her ‘business’, income, home; none of it matches up to some sort of ideal in her head so she puts a lot of effort into creating the illusion. Sadly for her, she’s not very good at the deception.

Crikeyalmighty · 11/08/2026 19:12

Spongebobette · 11/08/2026 16:54

And there is nothing wrong with whatever her build happens to be of course!

It’s like everything else in her life though, her ‘business’, income, home; none of it matches up to some sort of ideal in her head so she puts a lot of effort into creating the illusion. Sadly for her, she’s not very good at the deception.

Yep totally - absolutely nothing wrong with how she looked atall - but I do think its faking it somewhat and that’s seriously off - when you are flogging yourself based on your trim and fit persona that may or may not be quite the case

hourglass2 · 11/08/2026 22:56

Crikeyalmighty · 11/08/2026 19:12

Yep totally - absolutely nothing wrong with how she looked atall - but I do think its faking it somewhat and that’s seriously off - when you are flogging yourself based on your trim and fit persona that may or may not be quite the case

Yes exactly, she uses her weight loss and figure to try and lure them in to Build a Bear, if she didn't do that then nobody would give a toss what her figure is like, if you're going to post badly photo shopped before and after photos to try and get people to join your business then expect to be scrutinised...

definitelynotabot · 12/08/2026 07:12

GuelderRoses · 11/08/2026 12:33

I've got the jingle from that R Whites lemonade advert living in my head now!

OT but fun fact - the chap in the ad was Elvis Costello's Dad 😀

YouOKHun · 12/08/2026 08:00

I’ve just been alerted to this in the Daily Mail this morning. I haven’t read it yet via PressReader…

BOTWATCH 92!! We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …
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user1471446301 · 12/08/2026 08:05

YouOKHun · 12/08/2026 08:00

I’ve just been alerted to this in the Daily Mail this morning. I haven’t read it yet via PressReader…

ooh I'll give it a read via pressreader thank you. Her TT here explains pretty well https://www.tiktok.com/@christinatmitsi/video/7283490262385511712

TikTok - Make Your Day

https://www.tiktok.com/@christinatmitsi/video/7283490262385511712

Spongebobette · 12/08/2026 08:41

n Christina Mitsi’s friend offered her a job that paid up to £40,000 a month for as little as eight hours a week, she thought she’d hit the jackpot.
Christina, 37, jumped at the chance and joined health and skincare brand Forever Living as a sales rep.
Within months, she was waxing lyrical about her new role on Facebook.
She had the opportunity to be among the first to try out new beauty products, most of which were made from aloe vera and boasted huge health benefits.
She had access to attractive discounts. She was running her own business selling on behalf of Forever Living and travelling to glamorous events each month, including one party on a yacht on the river Thames through London.
So when Christina, who is from the Lake District, noticed that a growing number of old friends had ‘unfriended’ her on Facebook, she put it down to jealousy.
Reality check: Christina Mitsi quit her Forever Living job after 11 months of stress which took a huge toll on her family life
And when family friends who were close to her father started to make snide comments to him about her work, she brushed them off.
It was only when her husband sat her down 11 months into the job that Christina confronted reality.
She’d become so focused on selling Forever Living’s beauty products – and caught up in all her colleagues’ positive messages spurring her on – that she hadn’t noticed how little money she’d been making. Or how much she had irritated her friends who were sick of being sold to.
In fact, Christina had been spending hundreds of pounds on business trips and buying products just to meet the minimum targets required to keep her company running. She was pouring more money into the business than she was earning.
In the 11 months she worked for Forever Living, Christina estimates she earned around £1,100 but spent around £400 on beauty products and over £1,000 attending company meetings and events, so overall she’d made a loss of more than £300.
She says her earnings changed drastically from month to month depending on how much stock she managed to sell to friends and family.
Some months she made £200 to £300, while others she made as little as £18. Looking back, she says: ‘How was I, an intelligent university-educated woman, sucked into that?’
Christina is among a growing number of women who have been lured into working for so-called Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) companies and have since quit.
Now they are warning other women it is not worth the effort and involved making sacrifices that cost them friendships and ruined family life.
Forever Living is an MLM company, which is a type of business that encourages independent sales reps to sell company products and recruit others to join. MLMs provide the products for recruits to sell.
They buy from the company at a discount and then sell at list price, pocketing the difference.
Reps such as Christina take a commission from sales earned by people they recruit and can then move to higher levels of the network, where rewards are greater. More sales and larger networks help reps qualify for bigger discounts.
A number of MLMs, including Forever Living, have been criticised by women who say they advertise an unattainable dream.
Other major names include Arbonne, Avon, Herbalife, InteleTravel and Tropic Skincare. Some companies pressure new recruits to spend hundreds of pounds on products to sign up. Very few reps are able to turn a decent profit.
Recruits such as Christina warn not only of the financial toll these jobs can take but also the social isolation many feel, as they are often told to distance themselves from friends and family who speak negatively about the company.
Earlier this summer, Charlie Harris told Money Mail how she’d toiled for 60-hour weeks to earn just £1,470.25 over 15 months (sometimes finishing with £25 a month) from InteleTravel and PlanNet Marketing.
Charlie had joined travel agency InteleTravel but her main income wasn’t from selling holidays, it came from recruiting other agents to sell holidays with InteleTravel.
That was through a second operation called PlanNet Marketing, a multi-level marketing (MLM) company, in which sales reps earn by recruiting others into the business.
Charlie said it destroyed her friendships. She fell out with her best pal, who said she felt used.
In Christina’s case, she says she was in desperate need of a new career when her friend and colleague at the time suggested she join Forever Living.
She found that Forever Living was founded in 1978 in Arizona and sells aloe vera based drinks, supplements and cosmetics, while recruiting new members.
It operates in over 160 countries and relies on independent distributors. It claims online to be ‘a multi-billion-dollar company’.
Christina says: ‘I was in such a vulnerable place at the time and I trusted my friend.’ In 2015, she was working in the Palace Theatre in Manchester on a zero hour contract. It was a job she hoped would be temporary.
Age 26, she had quit a role as a chef in a Greek restaurant where she had worked 70-hour weeks for four years.
So she jumped at the offer of high-paying work where she would be able to choose her hours.
Her friend invited her to an introductory meeting in Ashton under Lyne, east of Manchester, to learn more about the company.
Christina says she was mesmerised by the women on the stage, who gloated about their £40,000 a month incomes. She adds: ‘It sounded great. I thought I could absolutely smash it.’
Christina signed up, agreed to work at least eight hours a week and bought a £200 kit containing all the key products to sell, confident it was an investment in her future. She decided to take on the work alongside her theatre job.
She was immediately told to message all 300 plus contacts in her phone telling them about this amazing opportunity to buy Forever Living products. ‘Man or woman, young or old, everyone got a message from me,’ she says.
She claims she was also encouraged to hold product demonstration meetings with family and friends. The products ranged from lip balms to gels, shampoos and conditioners. They cost at least £18 per 100ml bottle.
Christina recalls being shocked to hear her dad’s friends asking him what ‘nonsense’ she was sending them in her messages.
And, she says, she was told by managers that strategy meetings with colleagues both in-person and online were vital to attend.
Christina says: ‘I was getting the bus to the next town along, going to these meetings and then coming back late at night and working at the theatre around 30 hours a week too.’
On top of the meetings, they were pushed to attend ‘success days’ in London once every three months that cost £50 a ticket.
Scant rewards: Most reps who join Forever Living do not earn a significant amount of money from the business, its online income disclosure statement shows
The women had to pay for their own accommodation, train tickets, food and drink, resulting in a bill of around £300 – more than Christina was making a month.
One event was on a yacht on the Thames. They drank champagne. There were thousands of people at the in-person events, all from the UK, she says. ‘Most people I met were genuinely lovely.’
Christina managed to recruit four people and continued to meet them at these events.
But she was struggling to make sales. Despite posting online three times a day and spending 30 hours a week messaging people about her aloe vera products.
She says: ‘I started to get the hate messages; “I didn’t expect this of you Christina, I thought you’d be the last person to do this.” We were told “they’re just haters. That’s just negativity, you block those people out, don’t let them bring you down.” So, we did.’
Most reps who join Forever Living do not earn a significant amount of money from the business, its online income disclosure statement shows.
Just 10.2 per cent of joiners earned a ‘volume-based bonus’. A volume-based bonus is a financial reward paid to an employee, sales rep or business partner.
Among those who received a bonus, the majority (69 per cent) earned an average of £82.20 a month in bonus incentives. The top one per cent earned an average of £23,131 a month.
Christina said her husband eventually asked if the venture was actually making money and if she was enjoying it, prompting the couple to conclude the business ‘wasn’t working’.
‘I couldn’t do it any more. It wasn’t worth my time,’ she adds.
Christina says her colleagues refused to speak to her after she quit. She now promotes brands on social media app TikTok receiving commission through her account @christinatmitsi.
Vix Leyton, consumer expert at Think Money, says: ‘MLMs are technically legitimate but have earned a difficult reputation because, for many people, the chances of making a consistent living from them are very low.
‘The appeal is completely understandable, especially for people looking for work that fits around family life or caring responsibilities. Being selected is also quite powerful – and flattering – so it is easy to be lured into an initial conversation.’
Consumer expert Martyn James adds: ‘While many MLMs are legitimate in the sense that they exist and have actual products to sell, they can have cult-like conferences where you are “nudged” in to signing up to sell the goods.
‘So be prepared. Work out precisely what you need to sell to turn a profit and check how to get out of the contract if it’s not for you.’
Forever Living was contacted for comment.

Spongebobette · 12/08/2026 08:42

The article is longer and includes Herbalife

Intrepidobserver · 12/08/2026 09:38

Going to see your friend and her new baby but still making sure the post is about you and your looks!! How shallow.

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