BOTWATCH 92!! We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …

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A bit of information for those curious about MLM.
Forever Living goes tits up https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/why-has-forever-living-products-closed-down-its-mlm-business-in-the-usa/
The Dream
The Secrets of the Multilevel Millionaires
Recruitment fibs https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/the-recruiting-lies-mlms-tell-you/
Why did they leave MLM? https://mlmtruth.org/2020/06/18/breaking-up-with-your-mlm/
Infographic mlmtruth.org/infographic/

So if the Country Managers of each country are responsible for the revenue that is generated, it should follow that more will be arrested?
Country offices will have to close because that's where the evidence will be - hence why the other MLM's were so worried that FLP folded against the FTC - because the recruiting models are all similar! - Would it not be crazy that inadvertently Forever Living bosses were the catalyst that brought the whole of MLM businesses crashing down!

https://www.siasat.com/massive-multi-level-marketing-fraud-exposed-in-hyderabad-main-accused-held-3461541/

This news has made my heart sing like a super soaring flappy pigeon! Will Forever Fibbing bail him out, like they did when Yawn and one of her minions got into a spot of bother in India?

Anyone want to run a book on who is likely to be the next FL employee to be recognised by the authorities, paraded in court (without a sash) and sent on an all expenses paid holiday to the Big House? I wonder if they’ll take their yellow plastic suitcases to the sentencing hearing …?

Here's the link with paywall removed:

https://archive.ph/8B74H

Thank you for sharing

it’s particularly sickening when it’s a woman at the top of the pyramid. She must be aware that she’s exploiting women

This India news is quite something. I wonder what's next?

Wonder if the UK will be next?

From Nothing to Something to Everything .........TO JAIL ha ha ha. Check out the rogues gallery in the photo captioned everything towards the end of this short. How shifty does the CM Look to the left.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mhLWP7ru3KQ

It’s all young men gathering round adoringly and on the stage

interesting cultural difference

In Yawn's Delululand today
we may be small but we be mighty
the ambassador support calls will have thousands on one day
I can't wait to look back on these early days with our founder ambassadors who are leading the way

I’m so sad all my alts have been blocked, she’s such great value.

I’m the same @dickiedavisthunderthighsbut some of the delusion is available to see via insta story viewer and it’s enough to pick up on the desperation. Tomorrow marks one month since the April Fools Launch and despite the noise and the charts on her website showing what you could earn if you refer hundreds of people, it’s just Doggy Bot, Techie, two or three new faces who may already have faded out and throngs of AI 50 shades of beige ladies. We don’t need to see much of her content to know how it’s going!

At least she can bow out with a whimper and no one will notice. She could have been a country manager being arrested trying to skip town or have found herself in court having to own up to her crimes just before it all goes tits up!

I now have to use Anonymous Instagram as I burnt through my burners. You don't need threads to view if you type yawn coach and there is a corker there at the moment putting a dent in someones bonnet wearing hooky double C espadrilles and brooch "Blooming into my main character era". This is another platform with no interaction and great grammar(LIFE HAS TAIGHT ME).

I laughed my socks off at that - she’s so bloody vain!

Blooming into my main character era.

It’s less of an era and more of a syndrome and she has been in the thick of it for years!

Surely the amputation of Forever Living’s MLM leg in America and the arrest of the Indian Top Bot is their own fault: they have brought it all on themselves because that’s how the law of attraction works! 😉

Eyes, I hope you’re still following these threads and are enjoying the current shitshow as much as we are. I don’t know what tastes sweeter, just desserts of schadenfreude!

Scamopoulis managed to rouse around 20 bots to Warsaw. Much disappointment on the WhatsApp group about low numbers from the UK contingent (with much excuses of work commitments, cost etc). I mean come on. You are already rinsing these people dry what makes you think they can spare the time and the money to attend a hall in Poland for 4 hours mid week. And in the freezing cold

@ItsGooodToTalk thanks for the DM link!

In the Antonia Hoyle DM article Mrs Tropic says that Tropic bots are not allowed to over-buy product. Why are there over 26,000 new Tropic items for sale on eBay alone, often multiples of the same thing?

Presumably, if the products must be sold via “direct selling” because of their freshness/short shelf life then the bots are left with dud product very quickly?

when asked about market saturation she cites Avon as an example of an unsaturated business, saying ‘I don’t know a single Avon rep’. I doubt may multimillionaires are getting Avon catalogues through the door or shopping in Superdrug for Avon, or selling it. Until recently you couldn’t find a BETTER example of a totally saturated market. She is either a bit daft or she thinks the rest of us are.

Sorry, a long one!

Interesting comparison between the US income disclosure now available on the US website and the income disclosure immediately available via the UK and on the UK website.

The US income disclosure is based on 2024 numbers. It says:
69.3% didn’t receive any payment

30.7% received at least one payment in 2024 and for these FBOs the average annual earnings before expenses was $1823.88, the median earnings was $43.94.

The top 10% (733 FBOs) earned an average of $17292.96, median annual earnings were $3524.83

The top 50% (3663 FBOs) Average annual earnings of $3640.35, median earnings of $206.29

Bottom 50% (3662 FBOs) average annual earnings of $6.91, median earnings of $0.02 in 2024.

They’ve dropped the wording that implies the majority who didn’t earn never intended to and just signed up for the discount. It was always an obvious lie and the FTC didn’t like and highlighted it.

In contrast, these are the “facts” that UK bots can glean from the income statement available to them:

“Many join simply to enjoy the products and have chosen not to take part in the marketing plan. As a result 89.8% of purchasers globally did not receive any compensation or earnings (No actual numbers available).

10.2% of monthly purchasers earned a volume bonus from sales made by those they sponsored along with retail profits of 35-48% on all products sold personally.

Of the 10.2% who earned a volume bonus:

41.4% earned more than $500 a year by those they sponsored not including 35-48% on all products they sold personally.

69% of this groups earned an average of $111 pm in bonus and incentive earnings not including retail profits.

30% earned an average of $1670.00 pm in bonus and incentives not including retail profits.

Highest earners >1% earned an average of $31,235 pm not including retail profits.

Next it reminds UK bots that they are their own boss and the harder they work the more money they will earn.

Is it me or shouldn’t global MLM figures be shared globally with the FLP bots still in the MLM? Why should bots outside the US be subject to vague numbers and the fiction that c.90% aren’t interested in making money? Why should bots outside the US be told that if they work harder they will earn more money as if it’s a simple correlation?

Why shouldn’t bots outside the US not have clear sight of the more alarming, closer to the truth US income disclosure sharing numbers relevant to being part of an MLM?

Very interesting comparison thank you. Unfortunately both documents are intentionally transparent as the jizz they sell, much like the compensation plans and vulnerable people get bamboozled with the big numbers and cheques and just sign up. All this baloney they peddle at what a different just £500 a month would make when you'd probably have to sell 2K's worth of jizz a month which isn't going to happen if only they'd look at the income statement first.

@user1471446301 yes, both income disclosures are jizz washed (credit to whichever one of you it was that coined this term on the other thread!). I think one has been marinated in jizz for longer. Am I right in thinking that the US version has been tweaked to remove certain statements and to provide mean and median numbers. It feels more of a stark warning than the UK version. It should be the IC that every bot in every place sees and links to their “results may vary” statements. Still not enough of a warning of course!

yes you are correct, I think they had no other option than to revise the US Version with the FTC on their back but tbf now you can no longer sign up to be a FBO in the US so it isn't going to make a ha'porth of difference. UK on the other hand they can keep the ambiguity bubbling as long is it's within UK Law.

It's statements like this within the UK income statement which really boil my piss "However, it is no secret that the harder you work, the more money you will earn". utter Meaningless rubbish that they all trot out. Try telling that to the bottom of the pile bots who have been sold a dream and end up in a shopping precinct out of pocket wearing a top they've paid for and like headband and her new recruit sitting in the car park eating a pot of sweetcorn on a glorious Saturday which could have been spent with her family. All this MLM really just needs to piss right off.

The thing that really annoys me is that they are trying to capture the ‘want to earn a bit extra so I can stay at home with the kids ‘ crowd - knowing full well that the days of big downlines earning even 5 figures are well and truly over - it would be more honest to those people to say’love you will make more money with 2 evenings behind the bar or shelf stacking’ and without up front costs