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Current society not conducive to childrearing (if you don’t have family wealth)

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Tryingmybest2keepsane · 23/08/2025 11:41

Hi there,

I guess this is more of a venting post if that’s allowed, but helpful feedback also welcome. It’s also super long - so a big thanks to anyone who makes it to the end!!

I’ve just found out I’m pregnant after trying for over a year and a previous miscarriage. The delight has quickly faded into panic as we’re now getting real about costs. It’s looking like things are going to be more than tight - probably going to have to get rid of the cat kinda tight. It’s so depressing and is what had led to me being on the fence for ages. Not because I didn’t want kids but because despite both of us working full time with a current take home of just under 5k, it’s still not really doable without major pain and sacrifice. (Before everyone piles in and asks for a full breakdown of costs, I’m not going to do that as I know we already earn more than some and there are things like pet insurance or having 2 cars that can be cut back. The point is that not everyone has to go without to such an extent and that the added stress and insecurity makes everything so much harder. No wonder so many split up within the first few years.)

We felt so lucky to get on the housing ladder after years and years of slow saving (where the housing market kept moving the finish line as deposit amounts needed shot up). We’re now in a 4 bed house (bought for £345k earlier this year) in a moderately priced part of a northern city - the mortgage is currently £1660 a month for 24 years. We needed a 4 bed as my partner had two older children and we knew we wanted our own. We also had to buy in this area so his kids could continue at their current school and within a short distance to their mum. (We have them half the time). We both wfh for some of the week, although that is likely going to have to change as we’ll soon be out of space.

We both come from pretty impoverished backgrounds and it’s that lack of a safety net that scares me. Growing up I lived in over 20 properties - some emergency housing - between the ages of 2 and 16, after which I moved in permanently with a boyfriend to escape the chaos at home.

I’m 38 now and have worked so hard my whole life since 16, going back to school as a mature student in my 20s while still working part time and working through the summer hols while my peers took unpaid graduate placements. There was considerable childhood trauma to overcome.

I know we can’t afford 2 kids (and he’s clear even 1 was almost out of the question), but to consider not having a child due to financial reasons when I’m working just as hard or harder than anyone else seems deeply unfair. I’ve managed to claw my way out of childhood poverty and and am the first and only in my family to have gone to university (UCL! still my biggest achievement!), but it seems no amount of ‘hard work’ can ever make up for a general lack of family wealth.

Unfortunately, circumstances are made worse by there being no maternity top up from my employer and no grandparents living nearby.

I fully realise that my situation is the sum of all my life choices - I could have picked a richer partner or a better paying career for instance, though I’d probably be deeply unhappy as I’ve never managed to feel an affinity with people from wealthier or more stable backgrounds. Similarly, with work, it’s only since I’ve switched from corporate to something more community focused that I feel any sense of satisfaction.

The main kicker is the cost of nursery or childminding fees alongside a hefty mortgage and our usual monthly outgoings. OH says he’ll just have to get a second job and I’m sure we’ll manage to scrape through. But I’m really sick of hearing how well off other people are or how they were helped by parents or an inheritance windfall (all our parents are in social housing/renting). Yes, I’m resentful! Yes, I blame rampant inequality and capitalist greed! It will mean the end of some friendships as it’s not good for my mental health to hear how easy others have it. I’m having a big whiny moment and I know I’ll get over it. But equally I’m sick of pretending like everyone is in the same boat, because we’re not.

So if you’re also out there feeling disillusioned and overwhelmed by our current system - please know you’re not alone. Id also strongly encourage you to get involved with affecting systemic change however you can - whether that’s through community work or politics. I realised after meeting an old friend I’d not seen for a while that power and money corrupts and distances people from the realities of life. She used to seem quite empathetic and open minded, but now works for a big 5 management company and is due to make over £800k once she makes partner. She casually shared that she can’t understand how people become homeless and I literally had to explain how easy it can happen. It really saddened me as I realised so many are protected from knowing just how tough life can be.

If you’ve made it this far, thanks for listening x

OP posts:
JG24 · 23/08/2025 18:51

Don't know if you wanted ideas
But have you had a look if your partner has enhanced shared parental leave? If so you could split the time off and benefit financially? We split our time off for a different reason but it did mean we were better off financially too

RentalWoesNotFun · 23/08/2025 19:01

Sorry for your previous loss and congrats on your pregnancy.

Surely you should have worked out costs before you started trying for a baby so this shouldn’t be a shock?

How could you just get rid of your cat, that’s irresponsible and an awful thing to say. Poor cat.

Maybe you need to think about other things that could change. How much is your phone and car repayments and can those be cheaper etc.

Squishymallows · 23/08/2025 19:03

Tbh it does sound the hefty mortgage is the issue here possibly? Me and dh always agreed to have smaller house and less burden

user9064385631 · 23/08/2025 19:04

But, you’re not having one first child, this is the third child, so obviously you’re going to struggle. Most average income people don’t have three kids because they can’t afford it.
You chose to get involved with someone who already had kids, so you’ll have to make the best of it. Count your blessings not your troubles!

HowToTrainYourDragonfruit · 23/08/2025 19:08

meh, your partner has kids already, whose needs should be first. He is giving them another random kid they have to get on with, rather than putting them first. Your money is tight because he is already doing his childrearing, has had the unfortunate luck to split up with his previous partner, and is merrily trying to do the whole thing twice instead of accepting his lot as a separated parent. Not much point debating it when you're now already pregnant but I never like men who are prepared to do this, tbh.

Popstarrrrr · 23/08/2025 19:31

Congratulations on your pregnancy.

Whilst life is undeniably more expensive than say 15-20 years ago, I would agree with other posters that your comparisons are not fair.

It's your first baby but your partner's 3rd. You live in a 4 bed house because your partner has to rightly accommodate the previous two children. Having a second family is expensive and unless one of you earns highly, the financial impact will be felt.

You have made choices about where you work. No judgement from me as I have a job with social benefit but there are pros and cons with the cons mainly be financial.

I sympathise with the fact things are tight but you did have options with who you have chosen to partner up and procreate with.

GivingUpFinally · 23/08/2025 19:39

The early years are always tough financially or at least they were for us. Like you op we didn't have any family help or a support network and I was stat mat pay. Childcare costs are ridiculous and we are currently in the thick of it again. But this time with other dc.

I'm not going to lecture you on your current bills vs income. Sound like you've done the math already.

Things that I've found that helps are;
Buy in bulk where possible
Sainsburys nappies are a fraction of the cost of pampers and better imo
Buy second hand whenever you can
People are generous (but don't rely on that) we had a lot given to us for free that people just enter to shift out of their homes. Take it!
Sell everything on that baby grows out of. It dribs and drabs money but it can help with the odd coffee or soft play outing
Batch cook and freeze bean Stews, chilli's, bolognese etc
Switch energy providers if you can
Save everything you can reasonably save now.
Utilise free baby classes and rhyme tines at your local library or community hub
You don't need things like a moses basket if you ja e next to me or a travel cot. Use those instead. Nappy bags doubled if needed and then straight out. Nappy pails stink and use a ridiculous amount of plastic. More than double bagging. Avoid expense nursery room sets. A thick changing pad which you can take room to room will be used more than the super expensive change table which is defunct after potty training.
Use nectar points at argos to offset the cost of big purchases. Don't have nectar get it! Helps with the food shop as well.
If someone offers childcare for a couple of hours - take it
Build friendships with other mums at nct and pregnancy groups.
Do your KIT days to top up your pay
If you can don't use all your holiday pre baby arrival. It cam be carried over and paid out during your non paid 13 weeks of mat leave if you can the year. Or can be used to phase back into work or to lengthen your leave if your work allows - check with HR as soon as you've announced
When weaning make your own food for baby instead buying pouches and jars
Coupons/vouchers for days out
If with Octopus for energy download the app and get the free coffees etc available
Olio and to good to go apps for free or discounted food.

There's loads more. Get creative. And remember the tough times will be over as soon as baby is in school. Its not forever but may feel like it at times. You will get through it! Sorry this is so long, hope there's something in there to help x

Summerhillsquare · 23/08/2025 19:40

Your points about the system and inequality are entirely correct. So much of the burden falls on women, and lo and behold the birth rate is going down accordingly. Then a minority whine about immigration. In your particular case you're shouldering the burden of your partners kids though, something else that would have been less likely in the past. I'm sure don't think of them as a burden, but really he and their mother should be carrying that.

babyproblems · 23/08/2025 19:47

congratulations on your baby 💜
I agree with you it’s not easy hence the falling birth rate. Your mortgage is quite high; could you take a mortgage holiday during your may leave for example?? Please don’t get rid of your cat; you’ll manage im sure!! Xo

babyproblems · 23/08/2025 19:48

Summerhillsquare · 23/08/2025 19:40

Your points about the system and inequality are entirely correct. So much of the burden falls on women, and lo and behold the birth rate is going down accordingly. Then a minority whine about immigration. In your particular case you're shouldering the burden of your partners kids though, something else that would have been less likely in the past. I'm sure don't think of them as a burden, but really he and their mother should be carrying that.

This is also the truth! X

RedRobyn24 · 23/08/2025 19:51

I do actually relate to this even though I’ve just had my second baby. I want 3 children but we can’t afford a bigger house (2 bed end terrace and we also have a dog and 2 cats from before we had children).

My first thought is, what part of the country are you in? Can you relocate?

The north is very nice and more affordable

Bambamhoohoo · 23/08/2025 19:54

I think value points generally.

Im a high earner but when we had a high risk DS Pregnancy my main thought was we would have to terminate because I can not afford the risk of having to give up work.

in the end it wasn’t a decision we had to take.

specifically, I think you’re over leveraged but would likely find a way to make it work for the 2-3 years you pay expensive childcare (FT nursery)

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/08/2025 20:00

I do agree that your problem is deciding to have a third child with a man already raising two.

hangerup · 23/08/2025 20:03

Tbh it does sound the hefty mortgage is the issue here possibly?

That is not a hefty mortgage...

hangerup · 23/08/2025 20:05

Your points about the system and inequality are entirely correct. So much of the burden falls on women, and lo and behold the birth rate is going down accordingly. Then a minority whine about immigration.

True

Bambamhoohoo · 23/08/2025 20:05

hangerup · 23/08/2025 20:03

Tbh it does sound the hefty mortgage is the issue here possibly?

That is not a hefty mortgage...

It’s not but if I’ve read it correctly there are 2 income earners bringing home £5k per month.

Depending on their deposit their mortgage could well be half or more of that.

Yellowbirdcage · 23/08/2025 20:10

Yes it’s very hard now but you’re not a great example as it’s a 2nd family so presumably already partly supporting two plus you have a 4 bed house.
It’s harder now on some ways because of women working but back in the 60s and 70s many children were brought up in very very poor households. I was one of them! You’ll be fine. Maintenance will reduce and you can extend the mortgage.

Truetoself · 23/08/2025 20:14

As pp said , this is the third child for your family …… you probably would have afforded one easily.
yes I know your DH is the one for you but this is the reality.

hangerup · 23/08/2025 20:16

Depending on their deposit their mortgage could well be half or more of that.

It's 33%

Noelshighflyingturds · 23/08/2025 20:22

What on earth did I just read?
You’ve got with a man with two children.

If you wanted a nice life, that was your first mistake to be honest
And yes, legally enforceable Maintainence will reduce his obligation towards his older children won’t, if anything increases us they get older

MrLarsonsNailGun · 23/08/2025 20:29

In case you didn’t already know, you should qualify for tax free childcare and 30 funded hours from when baby is 9 months old, should mean your nursery bill will be much easier to manage.

Fundamentally though, I agree, I come from a similar background, impoverished, we moved a lot, went to RG Uni, and in a good job now. I really feel there is a ceiling you reach as a PAYE worker with such a background, it takes something really out of the ordinary to push through it. I’m determined not to pass on the childhood I had so am saving for DC future and my own retirement, and continuing to strive for success, but starting to feel a little apathetic to be honest.

Edit: P.S. keep the cat!!!

Fragmentedbrain · 23/08/2025 20:31

It's better than most eras beforehand

The trouble is more that a huge number of people expect to live a comfy middle class overseas holidays life

hangerup · 23/08/2025 20:35

It's better than most eras beforehand

Is it?

The trouble is more that a huge number of people expect to live a comfy middle class overseas holidays life

Do they? Is that why birth rates are so low?

missrabbit1990 · 23/08/2025 20:39

Your take home could be a lot worse — I think it will be manageable, I really do.

Mustbethat · 23/08/2025 20:55

Noelshighflyingturds · 23/08/2025 20:22

What on earth did I just read?
You’ve got with a man with two children.

If you wanted a nice life, that was your first mistake to be honest
And yes, legally enforceable Maintainence will reduce his obligation towards his older children won’t, if anything increases us they get older

They have 50:50, so no maintenance will be payable.

o/p my biggest recommendation that got us through the nursery years was ask your bank for and interest only mortgage for those 3-4 years.

yes it’s kicking the issue down the road a bit, but it was a lifesaver for us. We threw extra money at it when we could, but when the kids finished nursery and the payments went back up we were no worse off.

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