Botwatch 85 the continuing saga of MLM. When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?

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It’s a measure of Yawn’s arrogance that she won’t have thought as far as the fact people leave public reviews on Amazon!

it’s proper bitten her on the arse now!

It's dropping down the rankings like a lead weight. The sales calculator online suggests she sold 70-80ish on day 1 (and goodness knows how many of those she bought herself) and around 10 copies total since then. I think she's reached market saturation now.

She probably thought if she could sell 70-80 copies a day for a year she'd be minted, we all know it never works like that though, honestly a bit of research would have told her...

And she wants to coach business owners…

I don't follow these people but do find this thread fascinating- as someone who has an actual 'bizniss' if they aren't making fairly good money why don't they just go and get a job in sales/digital marketing or set something else up that actually may make a consistent income? Honestly there are good options in franchises etc if you've got decent sales/ promotion/digital skills- even if you can't think of an original idea - I made more money at one point with a second job secondary Shopify site with some affiliate sales than I suspect these people are making-

Is it that it feels a bit glamorous maybe - whereas my Shopify site was anonymous?

I'm absolutely baffled as it's pretty clear very few indeed are making big bucks-

I think it's because they are fundamentally lazy, and they have bought into the dream of making money for doing very little work. A few years ago some of them did make a lot of money out of their downlines and I'd imagine those will be hoping that those good times can come again (unlikely I know).
If they had a real job they'd have to work, and wouldn't be able to fill their time with highlighter pens, scrapbooks and sitting in coffee shops.

I agree @thetemptationofchocolate. They have failed to accept that any former financial success was the result of lucky timing and the ability to recruit others without thinking beyond what served them. Ruthlessness and lucky timing within a system that relies on continuous recruitment is not the same as business acumen.

I think some of them are addicted to the echo chamber where they surround themselves with people who say yes to them and label anyone else as envious or negative. The idea of going out into the world where they won't have a compliant audience and where their network marketing skills do not translate must be a pretty scary proposition. Being in a minimum wage job must be a depressing prospect when you've been a pretend CEO but the irony is that NMW would be far more lucrative than MLM is for almost all of them.

And most of all it shows the damage being in an MLM can do.

Very interesting latest post from Yawn about how she’s recently felt like and ‘outcast’, ‘excluded’ and how shr ‘doesn’t belong anymore’.

Plus someone in the comments talking about how she’s disappointed Yawn has been treated this way. 👀

@JaniceBattersby Not sure if you have been following closely so apologies if this is a summing up of events of which you're completely aware but as I haven't seen your name here for a bit here goes:

There has been some huge falling out with Uber and those Uber commands in June/July. Uber is now living near Yawn again which can't help the situation. This falling out was hot on the heels of Yawn obviously marking her card by being one of a list of bots highlighted in a TINA report in the US regarding her endless income claims. She also had a very public meltdown on her way home from the global rally over an error she made with a flight.

After the falling out with Uber (in August) there seems to have been some kind of instruction from FLP to all the usual suspects to tone things down. Yawn seems to have come to some arrangement where she keeps her downline but makes no mention of FLP on her page and they make no mention of her anymore. It may be connected to her being a liability over the endless income claims or perhaps something serious enough for everyone to distance themselves from her (that we know nothing about). The only thing that is clear is she has manifested herself up shit creek but not manifested a paddle.

Betting is open for who Yawn can find for her next podcast

will it be headband talking about how to be relentlessly positive and overcoming a health scare?

And that she created a group where women support each other

but really they all support her ego

So yawn is now going for the sympathy vote to gain new followers. jesus is there no low she wont stoop to. Her thought pattern is that of a victim which she firmly believes she is. To put a post up saying she felt outcast and excluded to gain attention is plain sad. You are the creator of your own life. Yawn dear you created the hate that surrounds you. you are a narc of the highest order. As the saying goes, every action has a consequence and you are reaping those now. Any one still stupid enough to pay you deserves losing money.

Yes well said, the chickens are coming home to roost

Yawn is peddling out Manifestation, so anything she puts out about any negativity she has had is not in the spirit!?!

It is a very contradictory message. Why has she manifested being shunned?

(For surely she creates and manifests her own future).

If that ain't what she was manifesting and she can get it so horribly wrong, maybe she should sack off coaching others how to do it?!

@thetemptationofchocolate I suspect you are correct- all other options do involve actual work -rather than just making money off anyone else's sales etc - although they might be suprised at options out there that aren't that different in terms of hours or skills involved to make the same money - as they must be putting a fair old number of hours a week into all this sub 'apprentice' style humph. I mean even 14 hours a week minimum wage would bring in about £650 a month and I suspect many ARE putting in 14 hrs fannying around and returning not much more- if that!!

A reminder on Yawn's stories to follow her link to Amazon to buy her journal. It makes me wonder if she has seen the reviews.

I think she is realising that no one is looking at her business page as she has posted more than double the posts on her original page than she has on the Unlucky Club page in the last five days and the rate she posts things on the Unlucky Club page has slowed down a bit. She probably expected to drive the traffic from her original page to the Unlucky Club page with ease. If she didn't need her downline to prop up the new endeavour and if the Unlucky Club was viable and growing we'd be seeing her concentrating on the new page and she'd have more than 0-3 likes.

I think she is going to have a shock in December when she is expecting people who have paid so far to pay again in December when they have other expenses and will calculate that they are paying for only two weeks in December because of Christmas. They will think 'I'll skip it this month' which would be fatal for Yawn because those people won't be back in January.

She will have to focus on C9 season but how viable is FLP if she no longer has a visible profile and they are pretending she doesn't exist?

I wonder if Yawn is avoiding any mention of FL, rather than announcing her departure from it (assuming she has departed from it), because she’s hoping to persuade her FL downline to pay to join her manifesting venture? If she were to announce her departure from FL, she wouldn’t have any credibility with her downline who would desert her like rats leaving a sinking ship. “Nearer my Bot to thee! Nearer to thee …” 😉

So far, Yawn’s manifested being frozen out, bad reviews on Amazon, interesting reader comments on a GB puff piece which accused her of being an influencer, having a blue fit in an airport in India after she’d manifested a cock up with a flight, a director’s loan of over £200k, and a mouldy thatch (to name but a few horrors). Anyone paying her to show them how to do the same must be hardcore masochists! #monkeyseemonkeydo #askmehow

Ah she's bessie mates with specsaver now!!

Probably trying to butter her up as her next podcast "specialist" in, I dunno, property development or something just because she works part time in an estate agent.

Nothing is surprising anymore..She'll have her on marketed as "look you can have it all, but not really, but you can, nah only joking, you really cant" I'm lying.... now where is my over priced colouring book she gave me??

Witch and Grow Rich TV…. I thought all the forever living stuff was bad, we are just plunging new depths each week 🤣

Yawn is now into tarot cards. This is a further direct rip of off content from ashlee day, tge lucky girl academy Australian creator. It's actually shameful behaviour. She can't even come up with original ideas.

And numerology 🙄