NHS pay increase 2022

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www.gov.uk/government/news/nhs-staff-to-receive-pay-rise

Has anyone got any clarity on what this means for staff?

The media are reporting a 4.5% rise, with the lowest paid getting up to 9.3%.

I'm hearing elsewhere that it's not quite so straightforward as that and that the increase tapers as it goes up the bands, with those at band 9 getting 1.3%

Yes, or 4%, whichever is higher (as you're Band 6 or 7). It will be backdated to April I think.

NHS staff can strike, and have previously - I imagine with planning / contingency measures to ensure patient safety.

That's exactly it. I'm an 8a, high number of staff (in theory), high budget responsibility, the buck stops with me.
But I'm at the point where I could go down a band in my own organisation, be about £50 a month worse off and have no management responsibilities, and it wouldn't be my issue that I don't have enough staff..

There's a b7 retiring soon and her job is looking rather appealing.

I'm tired, I'm fed up of no one listening to me. If me not getting a pay rise meant that I would have more RNs in my team, I'd accept it. But it just means I'm battling every single day to try and keep the service safe, while being paid £1.50 more a day.

Honestly, for me it's not even about the pay rise, it's about the complete lack of understanding of what the NHS provides - we are saturated and yet we just keep being told to do more and then get shat on when we don't do what we are meant to do- can't do a good job when you are doing the job of 2 people most days. It's like telling someone - this job takes 60 minutes, you have 20 minutes and by the way if you miss anything or don't do it properly in a third of the time it takes, you could end up sued, in the coroners ct etc, and no we don't care how busy you are or how little time you had, it's not good enough.

We are all exhausted.

@Iliketeaagain FWIW, I think the 8’s are underpaid. When I’ve looked at roles in the NHS (usually in administration) I’ve always been paid more for similar responsibilities. And my employer is not generally known for being well paid.

But I will have left the NHS by the time it’s paid?

Think it’s a further pay cut/ erosion to the higher band staff who have taken on greater responsibility than lower band staff, and will be so demoralised.

doctors who have had I believe about 35% ( maybe 40%) reduction in real time pay since tories came into power. Plenty of medical vacancies and people complaining they have long waiting lists. I wonder why

junior doctors again left out- I know hey have had their own (rubbish) pay deal. Bright School kids who previously were interested in medicine are no longer going in that direction with terrible pay and conditions for your hard won expensive 6 year degree

dentists - we’ll we’re not going to have more NHS dentists from this, are we

All should strike.

I wonder who will be delivering healthcare in to future when these jobs have become so unattractive with huge pay erosion as a significant contributor.

@Chillian that doesn't matter. They should take account of it in your final salary payment (hopefully) or pay it afterwards. Alert your HR department now through and find out how they intend to pay it.

@Iliketeaagain I feel the same. The difference between band 7 and 8a doesn’t feel big enough now for the increase in responsibility. I wouldn’t be surprised if many 8as decide move back down a band.

@Katypp Again, you ve a shit job or are very stupid? who works shifts on weekends for no extra money or TOIL, you need to have a word with your employer about your T&C's.

Apart from NHS, who pays to park a car, when there are alternatives, which for shift work, there rarely is, i ve certainly never had too and the only person i know who does, pays £80 per year.
My DD is paying around 2k after tax to park to the local trust or rather a private parking company.

Maybe you also deal with highly complex healthcare needs too? ITU, Stroke, Amputates, Dementia etc etc have to cope with grieving relatives, esp ones who demand more and more from AHP's.

You clearly haven't a clue what healthcare involves.

Exactly this. The difference in responsibility the 8a in my team has compared with the 7's is huge.

I work in corporate services. It's already hard to recruit as we're competing against the private sector. People in IT, HR, Finance, etc will vote with their feet and go elsewhere.

The rcn and unison are considering balloting for strike action tonight

www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-events/events/uk-member-event-nhs-pay-update-200722

BMA and DALK also looking at industrial action- doctors need to strike

@Lapland123 totally agree

@AndreaC74
I don't really know where to start with this really. Your points one by one:

1. Katypp Again, you ve a shit job or are very stupid? who works shifts on weekends for no extra money or TOIL, you need to have a word with your employer about your T&C's.

I will ignore the childish insult. Of course I get TOIL, you mentioned that for the first time in your reply. I said that I don't get any extra money for working weekends as they form my normal shift pattern, as I think is quite common in the private sector. This extra pay nurses get for weekend work as part of the normal rota is never mentioned in arguments such as these.
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Apart from NHS, who pays to park a car, when there are alternatives, which for shift work, there rarely is, i ve certainly never had too and the only person i know who does, pays £80 per year.

Err... most people? If you seriously think City centre workers get free parking you are in a different universe to me. Are you really saying you don't know anyone who works in a city? And that £80 a year subsidised parking is the norm. To coin your phrase, you must be very stupid.

My DD is paying around 2k after tax to park to the local trust or rather a private parking company.

Yes, I believe everyone pays for parking from their taxed income, don't they?

Maybe you also deal with highly complex healthcare needs too? ITU, Stroke, Amputates, Dementia etc etc have to cope with grieving relatives, esp ones who demand more and more from AHP's.

No I don't because I am not a nurse. But then I don't suppose your daughter deals with complex legal documents because she is not a lawyer, complicated share deals because she is not a trader or
keeps vital systems up because she is not a systems engineer.

You clearly haven't a clue what healthcare involves.

See above. Why would I, I don't work in healthcare.
But I assume your daughter does, because that's the profession she chose to go into.

Look, we're never going to agree on this. You seem to think that normal working life is worse for nurses than anyone else, and I don't. My experience of nurses is not good, based on a three-week stay in hospital last year. Yes I was looked after - as nurses are paid to do - but the constant moaning about things that are so commonplace in the private sector was wearing eg having to use their own electricity to charge up their handheld monitor things, working through breaks, not having time to complete paperwork, not finishing on time... On and on it went. On one memorable night, a bank nurse literally sat at the station on her phone all night (I did not sleep) and never moved, even when call buttons were pressed. In the end, her colleague called her out on it.

I suppose what I am saying is that I get fed up with the rhetoric that all nurses are underpaid angels, and we should somehow be very grateful to them for doing the job they are paid to do.

@Whereswoolysweater

I agree I work for the nhs I'm 2 days band 4 2 days band 5 as I have a dual role

We really struggle to recruit band 2, 3 and 4 jobs as the pay for what they expect people to do is very low

I hope any news of a rise helps recruitment we had 3 band 2 jobs and only 2 applications 1 full time, a 30 hr and a 20 hour

We've had to offer 2 full time posts out so now left with a 23hr (about 3 days) and nobody wants it as people want to work 3 days but the money is barely above minimum wage!!!!

@Katypp People dealing with complex legal papers or involved in share dealing will be paid considerably more than a nurse or a radiographer etc.

Good and bad in all professions BUT perhaps your poor experience of nursing is down to v poor staff moral? caused by over work, due to 110k vacancies in the NHS ? 40k of which are in nursing.

My DD is leaving the NHS to work in Australia's health service, one reason being that she is fed up dealing with people who think she should just get on with it and be thankful she has a job, NHS staff are leaving in their droves, retention is shocking, as they are in social care too.

I suspect that if you become poorly, you'll be thankful for this and be pleased at least you can still get a decent lawyer?

Personally, when i ve been ill or had an accident, i have always received excellent care, then again perhaps i show a little more respect to staff in the NHS than others who don't.

Do we get the annual increment as well as this new raise?

I didn't think that annual increments existed anymore? If you are due a step up that will still happen.

@AndreaC74 excellent care is what nurses are paid to do though.

The law society recommends a minimum wage of £22,794 for a trainee lawyer.

Starting salaries for traders look to be around £26k

Systems engineers start on around £18k, according to Glass Door but that does seem very low.

Nurses start on £25,655. Where does this persistent rhetoric that nurses are really badly paid come from?

I'm 2 years NQ so bottom of B5 & my understanding was that i get an increment after 2 years as they raised the starting salary but delayed the increment increase. I'm also on mat leave so completely out of the loop, have baby brain and am possibly completely wrong lol

The DDRB have announced that there will be no recommendation above the already agreed 2% pay "uplift" for junior doctors.

With the current inflation of 11.7% this means junior doctors are getting a real terms pay cut of around 10%. This is the equivalent of working for over a month this year for free, or not getting paid for annual leave.

It doesn't really matter whether katypp or anyone else thinks nurses are well paid and should be happy with their lot. The fact is that HCPs don't feel well paid, are unhappy and so are leaving in droves, which is bad for everyone who uses the NHS. If people want a functioning health system then we, as a society, are going to have to pay for it somehow.

It’s a disgrace that junior docs are left out- who on earth will want to become a doctor for future generations? I’m well aware that smart sixth formers who previously would have considered medicine are discounting it completely.
and all rest of nhs staff, all bands and consultants and dentists should strike over this pay cut

@Katypp avg wage for a trader, uk based, is approx 50k, starting salary, 26k to 32k plus bonus... . which having worked in the 'city myself, can be huge, even for a trainee.

...which is why the UK doesn't have a shortage of share 'traders.

As i said previously, you just sound bitter at your own low v. pay and seemingly want to drag others down with you, instead of fighting to improve your own salary and working hours, which tbh appear to be awful.

I’m leaving nhs in mid August to a private healthcare company who complete adhd/ Austism assessments in partnership with nhs… wonder if I will just miss this pay rise/cut