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NHS pay increase 2022

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TabithaTiger · 19/07/2022 20:44

www.gov.uk/government/news/nhs-staff-to-receive-pay-rise

Has anyone got any clarity on what this means for staff?

The media are reporting a 4.5% rise, with the lowest paid getting up to 9.3%.

I'm hearing elsewhere that it's not quite so straightforward as that and that the increase tapers as it goes up the bands, with those at band 9 getting 1.3%

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TabithaTiger · 19/07/2022 22:05

Thank you for clarifying. I'm an 8b and to be honest this feels like a kick in the teeth.

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PinkDaffodil2 · 19/07/2022 22:07

Junior doctors are not included as they already have 2%/ year as per the 2018 (I think) pay deal.
GP partners aren’t included and there’s no additional funding available for them to give the recommended rises to their salaried doctors, other practice staff so I don’t think all practices will be able to offer the recommended amount.

Archie671 · 19/07/2022 22:07

milkysmum · 19/07/2022 22:02

I'm a nurse, top of band 6. So do I get the £1400 applied to my annual salary? Also does anyone know when we will see this increased payment start?

As you’re band 6 you’ll get 4% (around £1561 extra a year) and it’ll be backdated to April. Last year it was paid in a lump sum in August payslips.

Motnight · 19/07/2022 22:09

I think that the lower bands - ie 5 and below - should have received more. I am a 8b and would gladly have given up the payrise.

peanutpancakess · 19/07/2022 22:10

Motnight · 19/07/2022 22:09

I think that the lower bands - ie 5 and below - should have received more. I am a 8b and would gladly have given up the payrise.

This is refreshing to hear. As a band 3 I appreciate this.

Sodthebloodypicnic · 19/07/2022 22:10

Yeah junior doctors in England are excluded, despite not getting the post covid rise, or any rise last year due to the pandemic. Not great.

Katypp · 19/07/2022 22:14

I am in a professional role (27 years experience) and I earn just under £10k a year less than an average nurse, according to union figures today. We have been offered 3%.My DH works for a small IT company and he has not had a pay rise since 2019.he is also in a professional toke and earns around £7k pa less than an average nurse. I think public sector have lost sight of what a 'normal' wage is and nursing in particular seems to pull at people's heartstrings and the unions manage to convince people they are very poorly paid when they absolutely are not. Everyone thinks nurses should earn more but I don't think many people know how much nurses actually earn. It's like a knee jerk reaction.

MirrorMirror1247 · 19/07/2022 22:16

I'm band 2 (admin role), I've only been in the job for a few months but a £1400 increase sounds good to me. I'm aware I'm very new though and probably a bit naive about how it all works!

Whereswoolysweater · 19/07/2022 22:17

@TabithaTiger same here, kick in the teeth. I know the 8a service managers who are working their absolute socks off with skeleton staff, will be gutted with the message this sends. They hold a lot of responsibility and risk at a very precarious time.

@Motnight i feel it will undermine the progression pathway though, speaking from a provider view (rather than commissioning). There’s a very clear pathway of progression for us and pay is a big incentive for folk. Setting a precedent to reduce that incentive is stupidity in my opinion.

Woolandwonder · 19/07/2022 22:19

I think it's positive that the rises are weighted towards lower bands. I'm on a band 7 my DP is a band 4 and he works incredibly hard, with a ridiculous amount of responsibility for the pay.

Bumblebee2207 · 19/07/2022 22:19

Katypp · 19/07/2022 22:14

I am in a professional role (27 years experience) and I earn just under £10k a year less than an average nurse, according to union figures today. We have been offered 3%.My DH works for a small IT company and he has not had a pay rise since 2019.he is also in a professional toke and earns around £7k pa less than an average nurse. I think public sector have lost sight of what a 'normal' wage is and nursing in particular seems to pull at people's heartstrings and the unions manage to convince people they are very poorly paid when they absolutely are not. Everyone thinks nurses should earn more but I don't think many people know how much nurses actually earn. It's like a knee jerk reaction.

It’s not too late to retrain as a nurse if you think they earn really good salaries……

Katypp · 19/07/2022 22:21

That old chestnut. I don't want to be a nurse. What has that got to do with anything I have written?

Overthebow · 19/07/2022 22:22

Katypp · 19/07/2022 22:14

I am in a professional role (27 years experience) and I earn just under £10k a year less than an average nurse, according to union figures today. We have been offered 3%.My DH works for a small IT company and he has not had a pay rise since 2019.he is also in a professional toke and earns around £7k pa less than an average nurse. I think public sector have lost sight of what a 'normal' wage is and nursing in particular seems to pull at people's heartstrings and the unions manage to convince people they are very poorly paid when they absolutely are not. Everyone thinks nurses should earn more but I don't think many people know how much nurses actually earn. It's like a knee jerk reaction.

The average nurses salary is £33k. Are you saying that with 27 years experience and in a professional role you’re only on £23k? I don’t think that’s actually common in the private sector unless you haven’t wanted to progress up the career ladder.

EllaPaella · 19/07/2022 22:22

Katypp · 19/07/2022 22:14

I am in a professional role (27 years experience) and I earn just under £10k a year less than an average nurse, according to union figures today. We have been offered 3%.My DH works for a small IT company and he has not had a pay rise since 2019.he is also in a professional toke and earns around £7k pa less than an average nurse. I think public sector have lost sight of what a 'normal' wage is and nursing in particular seems to pull at people's heartstrings and the unions manage to convince people they are very poorly paid when they absolutely are not. Everyone thinks nurses should earn more but I don't think many people know how much nurses actually earn. It's like a knee jerk reaction.

Odfod

Katypp · 19/07/2022 22:22

Plus I think at mid 50s it probably is too late, even if I wanted to.

Bumblebee2207 · 19/07/2022 22:24

Katypp · 19/07/2022 22:22

Plus I think at mid 50s it probably is too late, even if I wanted to.

Not too late, my uncle did it at 57.

Motnight · 19/07/2022 22:24

Whereswoolysweater · 19/07/2022 22:17

@TabithaTiger same here, kick in the teeth. I know the 8a service managers who are working their absolute socks off with skeleton staff, will be gutted with the message this sends. They hold a lot of responsibility and risk at a very precarious time.

@Motnight i feel it will undermine the progression pathway though, speaking from a provider view (rather than commissioning). There’s a very clear pathway of progression for us and pay is a big incentive for folk. Setting a precedent to reduce that incentive is stupidity in my opinion.

@WWhereswoolysweater I don't disagree with anything that you have said. But in my opinion bands 2 - 5 are particularly underpaid.

Whereswoolysweater · 19/07/2022 22:27

@Katypp with respect are you in an admin role or arts / charity sector? Admin is not conmeasurate with a nurse who need degrees nowadays.

£23k is a lower than average salary and suggest low skilled not a very experienced professional role.

Nurses are not overpaid when you know what their practice entails.

GreenLunchBox · 19/07/2022 22:28

Katypp · 19/07/2022 22:22

Plus I think at mid 50s it probably is too late, even if I wanted to.

You clearly picked the wrong industry. But please don't denigrate nurses. It's not a race to the bottom

CaptainBeakyandhisband · 19/07/2022 22:28

This sounds broadly similar to the pay deal being offered by my public sector employer. Reported as 4.9% but that’s an average and the salary increase is weighted towards those lowest paid. For some near the top it can be less than 1% depending on various factors.

Whereswoolysweater · 19/07/2022 22:30

@Motnight yes I agree the low bands are poorly paid which is why we have a recruitment problem. But I just worry about peeing off senior staff who also deserve to be paid a lot more given what they do. Don’t know what the answer is because Trusts will have to part fund these pay rises. Causing further difficult decisions.

Flackattack · 19/07/2022 22:30

Yea her pay rises are coming out of the stagnant school budget - that’s also worrying

HeyBlaby · 19/07/2022 22:32

@Katypp

www.ft.com/content/d819ba3b-d886-42dd-9be9-511134fc69d2

TreacheryPepper · 19/07/2022 22:33

Does anyone know when it's likely to be paid?

TabithaTittlemouse · 19/07/2022 22:33

It’s offensive. I’m not even slightly surprised though!

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