MLM Bot Watch 27 - The Yazoo iis past iits use by date, but we have a massive #lardon: Tragiicomic cultiic wampum floggiing scamalangadiingdongs liike Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juice

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Still going strong here at bot watch HQ on MN!

Previous thread here

Botwatch on Wordpress and on Facebook

Timeless Vie on Wordpress and on Facebook

Eyespeying's Blog aka #manhun, even if he's been banned by MNHQ

Hommetepreneur on Facebook
www.lazymanandmoney.com/is-every-mlm-a-scam
We have our own regularly returning bots.

Glossary:

Bots: our affectionate name for victims of the MLM racket

MLM: Multi-level Marketing schemes - essentially pyramid schemes that are just legal because you sell a product. Reliant upon constant recruitment despite there not being enough people in the world to go beyond about 12 levels if everyone recruited 6.

Downline/Upline: the people you recruited and those who recruited you (going up and down the pyramid inverted funnel)

Timeless Vie: Parody of MLM schemes (though you might spot one in particular) that also carries out fearless investigative work. Flogging the amazing skinny lard and now carbonated lard. The arsenic is not the evil Victorian stuff. #TeamDannii #gettingalardon

Hommetrepreneur: also excellent parody site focussing on the menz

BotWatch: Rather more serious, keeps an eye on what the Bots are claiming next, particularly in reference to health and income claims. Also fearless.

Inverted Funnel: Timeless Vie is NOT a pyramid - it's an inverted Funnel, OK?

Eyes: Our former member Eyespying who knows LOTS about MLM schemes. He's still our very own #manhun.

Ok some stats. I remember our MD saying at a success day that 27,000 new distributors started in ONE month at the height of the 'boom', but they always tell you that there are only just over 6,000 people who do 4CCs or more. That speak volumes to me about just how many people get started but don't carry on 😳

Forgive me, Dora, but this was the MD of the MLM? They have to say something because people will know many others - in their 'downline' for example - who haven't 'cut it' but those figures which you just gave might have been carefully chosen to appear halfway credible. They're the sort of figures where people can still say '6,000 ? I can manage that, that's loads.' You have no idea whether they're real or on what basis they're being presented either? ( The figures you gave might be bad enough but the ones I've seen in analyses of such data as MLMs have been forced to divulge are just awful.)

Sorry, what does "4CC" mean?

And cozie, I'd be interested to hear that data, would you mind sharing it?

It's a sadly valid point you make about people leaving. So difficult to admit defeat, even when the system is unwinnable. Was it someone here who said that it's the cultish-brainwashing that makes the failure personal to the individual leaving?

4CC = 4 case credits
Case credits are Forever Living's internal currency system. Each product has a case credit value allocated to it, which a business owner would receive when that product is sold. They need to sell 4CC each month in order to be active and qualify for bonuses.
In 2016 1 case credit was worth around £160. They also get 1CC for recruiting someone to their downline.

Thanks Cheeky

Is there a mlm selling essential oils type stuff?

Yeah, Young Living & Doterra.

Interesting read here.

Have a look through the data and links on botwatchblog, Domestic.

Otherwise, just search on MLM churn rate. ( Sorry for using that term but it is the accepted one.)

A friend has just started selling doterra. I was worried it might be a mlm, purely from the ecstatic way she was describing products.

Thanks cozie

Have a look through this background on Wikipedia, educatin.

DoTerra

Sorry. doTerra.

You're absolutely right Cozie that was the MLM MD. I don't think I made my number clear. 27000 new people were recruited in 1 month. The 6000 is the number of people who are active in TOTAL. So if those numbers of new people are being recruited is that high and yet out of every single person recruited, only 6000 are active on a monthly basis that's absolutely huge number. If 20000 people are recruited every month that's 240,000 in a year. And yet only 6000 people are ever considered active in any 1 month. I'd love to see exactly how many people have been recruited over the last 5 years. It must be over a million. And still only 6000 are still doing it. The numbers of people who 'fail' is frightening!!!!

Well done for working it out - but then you left, eh? How many people just heard 'big numbers' do you think?

Yep I left. People don't get told this. The presentations that are given to people are very cleverly designed to get you excited about the possibilities and very very few people do any research about what they're joining sadly. It's all made to look very exciting and shiny and the promise of making you rich blinds you to the facts and figures. I'd love to see actual real numbers. You mentioned some mlms being forced to reveal numbers. Where can I find this?

Thanks John and Cosie

As I mentioned upthread, Dora, why not have a read (including via the links) of some of the stuff on botwatchblog.

(Warning: You might need to go along with it, or you'll become pretty angry.)

Dora are the 6000 who are active at one time UK based bots?

I wonder how many drop out after spending £200 on an alleged business in a box who don't get their refunds because they realise too late that it's a crock of shit?

Trouble is, BS, that writing off a shedload of £££ isn't easy. (Even though it's the best option.) There are going to be some/many who will plug away throwing good money and effort after bad - to the exhaustion of all possible sources of funding.

How do we know that people are leaving in droves?

I guess we don't - at least officially. (Activity is not something the MLMs are going to release easy figures on.) It's mainly personal knowledge I think?

Sorry - you can draw inferences of course.

Oh dear lord!

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10602586

Well spotted Jonesey32.

The author of that Huffpost article is a Shakeology bot, so it's full of the usual brainwashed nonsense they speak in Botsville.

The comments are as polarised as ever.

"It's a pyramid scheme!"

"Oh no it isn't."

"Oh yes it is!"

And you thought panto season was over. He's behind you, along with your success if you get involved with these grubby schemes.

The bots love MLM bingo too. It's very entertaining. Would they be good at MLM sudoku, or can they only deal with multiples of six?

Does anyone know how to get an article printed in the Huff post? I think it's time Bot Watch did a bit of a fact checking article...