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MLM Bot Watch 18- chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc

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chuckingstones · 08/04/2016 20:44

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gottaloveascamhun · 11/04/2016 18:53

Sigh at Last's screenshot. Ugh.

penguins33 · 11/04/2016 19:20

Am I missing something here? I thought the difference between an MLM and a pyramid scheme was that with an MLM you had to sell products. However, with LTW no selling is involved so doesn't that mean it can't be an MLM?

RortyCrankle · 11/04/2016 19:36

Can anyone explain to me who would buy some of the items in the LTW Breakfast Essential to actually eat for breakfast?

  1. Capri-sun Orange 10
  2. Hartley's Strawberry Jam 1
  3. kellogg's Crunchy Nut 1
  4. Colman's Mint Sauce1 1
  5. Rowse Honey 1
  6. Nestle carnation Evap. Milk 1
  7. Hienz Speghatti 2
  8. Heinz Baked beans 4
  9. Penne Pasta 1
10. Oxo chicken cube 4 11. Mr. Noodle Chicken 4 12. Yazoo Drink 10 13. Gits Idli Mix 4 14. Weetabix 1

Crunchy Nut? great, Weetabitx fine. Then we get to Mint Sauce! Oxo cube! Mr Noodle chicken! Penne pasta! Gits Idli Mix - no idea WTF that is? For breakfast??? And no sign of a price for this pile of crap. Then look at the Special breakfast hamper - 12 of the items are identical to the essential but oh you get veg noodles instead of chicken.

What a scam and really I don't honestly think I know anyone who would be stupid enough to fall for it.

cozietoesie · 11/04/2016 19:40
Grin

They're introducing it as their new 'system' in network marketing - what do they refer to it as - an 'automatic tree' based on a 'binary structure' yadda yadda ? (Forgive me if I mis-remember. ) Ignore all the yadda words and look at what they're actually doing..........

lastuseraccount123 · 11/04/2016 20:19

penguin they are selling products - groceries.

Listened to most of the vid. They are the first UK based_MLM which means they are like so much more ethicaler than the US based ones cos the laws r so much stricter in the UK

snigger

HAHAHAHAH.

lastuseraccount123 · 11/04/2016 20:21

another classic vid-line:

"We have the largest selection of products in the world for networking marketing - 700+ and more coming"
right, cos you're re-selling everyone else's products.

they also had a dig at FL and the like selling 'magic potions"

cos flogging the canned spag in pyramid form is sooooo much classier huns

BSintolerant · 11/04/2016 20:39

Rorty I share your puzzlement. What on earth is "Gits idli mix4"? Is it a stomach complaint, a deadly virus, or a deviant practice involving cactii? Answers on a postcard to Trading Standards please.

Motorheadmum · 11/04/2016 20:43

I have seen the LTW everywhere. I am very interested in what the rep has to say. I would also like to hear the views of the FL visitors on this new MlM compared to what they do now

BSintolerant · 11/04/2016 20:46

Mystery solved. I will sleep well this evening now I know what Gits Idli mix is. Thank you Mr Google.

MLM Bot Watch 18- chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc
BSintolerant · 11/04/2016 20:47

Mumsnet - to be clear - Mr Google is not a public figure. Please don't delete this post.

lifetreeworld · 11/04/2016 20:53

Very delayed reply but I've been in work all day. I'll try and answer the questions asked as best I can about LTW.

why doesn't LTW have prices for the groceries on it's website?
Probably because a lot of them don't seem directly competitive with the likes of Lidl and Aldi and it would put people off before they find out how the company works - products are ALL branded and all sold at or around the RRP. The profit margin LTW makes on these branded items is huge. They have no advertising/retailers etc taking a piece of the pie. Price wise on individual products, it will never compete with the cheap supermarkets. But part of their profits are used to offer incentives for individuals to advertise their groceries through MLM rather than traditional advertising.

Do you find yourself buying brand stuff you don't need in order to make up your monthly 'spend' requirements, Life? - I will do, yes. I'm buying the £165 hamper this month, which is the cheapest way to hit your shopping points target. When I get bonus, i'll have scope to be more choosy.

why is it so vague about the 'opportunity' on the same website?
I don't know - some of the pages are blank, or redirect to the homepage. It's something that's been raised many times over the past few weeks, along with the poor grammar and spelling. The whole thing is in the process of being overhauled. I get the feeling that it was set up in a rush without proper consideration for how quickly it would take off (that's just my feeling though)

I believe that you get 2% cash back on your basic shopping - yes, that's right. And 1% of your downline teams shopping.

there's no picking of your delivery time, it's sent in 3-5 days - also right. I think the delivery charge is £1.99 and free over £40 - I will have to check.

only those at the very top will be making anything decent - That's where LTW is different to a scammy pyramid company IMO. Being at the top doesn't mean you're earning the most in LTW. There are plenty of examples where someone's downline is earning more than them. The person two up from me is earning her £2k bonus this month, but her upline is only just managing to reach their £200. It's to do with your three 'legs' (your three direct downlines and their teams) - you need all three of your legs to be active and generating a certain amount of shopping points each to get to each level bonus. So my upline Sue has three legs, all active and all bursting with people doing shopping - hence £2k for Sue. Sue's upline Joan, however, has one fantastic leg - Sue's - that's way over achieving. But she's not putting much effort in and her other two legs are nearly empty - hence no big bonuses for Joan - hope that makes sense.

You couldn't do all your shop for there - definitely not. There's no fresh and no frozen at the moment. I'm a Lidl girl and I intend to keep shopping there, alongside LTW.

Have you read the links that Throwing provided? What do you think of them? - No, not specifically (although thank you for posting them). I did my research and plenty of it before signing up. Including Companies House and Director checks. I know what the links are likely to say, and it doesn't change my opinion that I think LTW is going to earn me a decent income based on the proof I've seen from people I know already doing it.

What made you join if the spelling and appearance of the page was so bad? Did this not ring alarm bells that it might not be a slick, professional, trustworthy scheme? - Yes, the website put me right off at first. What made me change my mind was seeing the actual screen-shot proof of my friends upline earning her £750 bonus after a few weeks.

Bonuses - you have three direct downlines (only ever three) and then they have three and so on. Referred to as your three legs. The target is for each individual agent to do 100 PV (profit value) points worth of their shopping a month - which is £100 worth of profit for LTW, and will cost you between £165-£250 a month, depending on what you buy. When you have two people in each leg (so 6 total) doing their 100PV shop in a calendar month, you earn £200. When you have 7 people in each leg doing their 100PV shop in a calendar month (so 21 total) you earn £750. When you have 22 people in each leg doing their 100PV shop in a calendar month (66 total), you earn £2k. These are monthly bonuses for every month they are achieved, not one offs.

Phew, that was mammoth. Going to go have a lie down now.

MinecraftyMum · 11/04/2016 20:55

I'm happy to post updates and screen grabs of my earning as I go. I will be prepared to graciously eat my words if it all goes wrong!

throwingpebbles · 11/04/2016 20:59

So basically your role is to push those beneath you to buy hampers that contain a preselected assortment crap food most of which they didn't want anyway?

And you have to spend a minimum amount yourself in order to get those bonuses from your downlines spending????

throwingpebbles · 11/04/2016 20:59

i think your name change failed Wink

Motorheadmum · 11/04/2016 21:00

Wow that is actually a very honest answer, thank you

MinecraftyMum · 11/04/2016 21:05

Not really throwing - people who sign up know they are doing so with the expectation of doing 100PV worth of their shop on LTW - if you weren't prepared to do that, you'd never sign up in the first place. So there's no pushing people to buy anything. Anyone signed up has already made the decision to do a monthly branded shop on LTW.

You don't have to buy a hamper. Many people who don't budget anyway and happily go to Tesco or Sainsbury's or Waitrose and fill a trolley with all branded stuff just go onto LTW and buy a lot of their usual monthly buys. For me (and some others like me) - I don't generally buy all branded. I like Lidl and am happy to buy unbranded stuff.

But I wanted to be part of LTW. And when i'm reaching the £200 level, i'll happily plough that £200 back into LTW every month and do a selective, branded shop. But i'm new and haven't yet achieved the £200...so in month 1, the £165 hamper is the best way for me to do it. But I probably won't next month.

MinecraftyMum · 11/04/2016 21:06

Ah bum. Really wanted to keep LTW separate from my other user name. Oh well, fail me. Hi everyone, i'm Minecrafty Grin

lastuseraccount123 · 11/04/2016 21:09

so, it's redirected spending - check
you should have at least 3 'legs' (people) and they should have 3 each = 9 and so on and so on - so building a team - check
-fancy comp plan that pays out for certain achievements, but ultimately everyone needs to keep recruiting - check
-overpriced products to cover the cost of the payments to the uplines, downlines etc - check

well i'm convinced. it's pyramid.

cozietoesie · 11/04/2016 21:09

So you have to recruit active people to get bonuses?

throwingpebbles · 11/04/2016 21:12

What last said. Ticks every single one of the "red flags".

My advice would be don't touch this with a barge pole

It will take at least 6 people beneath you, all spending c£200 themselves before you get your assortment of random branded goods for "free"

cozietoesie · 11/04/2016 21:17

I'm sorry, throwing, but I reckon last might have been guilty of using loose terminology.

It's really a triangle! Grin

lastuseraccount123 · 11/04/2016 21:19

the comp plan is what Ariix claims makes them different too. It's just the WAY they slice and dice out the money earned by the pyramid.

But it's still a pyramid. It still relies on teams, downlines, etc to flow money up.

lastuseraccount123 · 11/04/2016 21:21

and i have 30 odd screenshots that indicate it's every bit as pyramidy as every oher pyramid we have come across. The new thing in the industry seems to be chopping and changing the comp plan around so the victims get paid more from each other's money that they're fleeced of. but at the end of the day, it's still a freaking triangular shape.

gah.

throwingpebbles · 11/04/2016 21:21

cozie Grin

ambler21 · 11/04/2016 21:24

Agreed, ticks all the red flags, and 'success' will always be just around the corner for the vast majority. As was said earlier (catching up) another scheme selling the false-expectation of future reward

(cue the, 'I just do this for product discounts)

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