Can't Stop Won't Stop - MLM Botwatch 10 Now Featuring MLMers who don't answer questions, jokes, posts by eyes, questions about Forever Living, Ariix, Younique, Jamberry etc as scambralamas

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For newbies: Downline = people at the bottom of the pyramid scheme/"MLM" opportunity

Feel free to re-ask all your good, fact-based questions to our new MLM visitors! Just keep your expectations low.

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I'm sorry, FL. It was a PP that mentioned it as being on a blogpost. (If I recall.) I didn't see it myself.

3 😳 Maybe "MLM's arent for you" either Chimps? 😬

Although I have seen the blog itself - so the quote would fit to a T.

I meant 'fit to a Q'.

chimps the bot in question has a post on her own timeline referring to her eyebrows!

Secondly they are told to promote 80% lifestyle 20% product so statements about their lifestyle and trappings of wealth are very relevant as they are specifically told to use this to recruit.

Therefore misrepresenting their lifestyle by suggesting that they own a (large country) property when in fact they rent is more than relevant as it flags up the deceptive tactics used to recruit vulnerable/impressionable people dreaming that they too can one day own a large country home within a short period of time.

All credit to you chimps you seem very tenacious... Im sure your obvious determination and clear committment to whatever you are doing could get you far in a real job/own business or proper industry? Why do you waste yourself on these scams?

Who'd have thought, eh, hobnobbing with world leaders. Never knew she was friendly with Obama, Merkel, Hollande & Cameron.

Have you been in other succesful none mlm businesses/industries?

I would be interested to know - from eg the ex-MLM members here - whether anyone has ever persuaded a finance company to enable them to buy a house on the strength of an MLM business?

After my post last night that stated three mums were earning £15,000 a month each, I worked out that even if this was retail price (i.e. what Forever Living make - they would only make roughly £4000) they would have to peddle 90CC a month to do this.

Then I noticed one of these mums was awarded a pin very recently for being 4CC active.

Please, please Chimps or any other bot out there, explain to me how they can possibly be making £15,000 a month each out of 4CC?

As fake as they come. #bossbabes should be #conbabes

Sadly the webinar they were promoting along with these lies worked, they have signed up "new mums".

Ah. Thank you acat.

chimps I know you seem to be missing my reasoned posts, however here's one last question for you: why do you think we are all using our precious time on this thread? There are lots of businesses I have no interest in being part of but that doesn't mean I am concerned for their legitimacy; there are lots of career choices my friends make that don't leave me wondering if they are being taken for a ride. I have come on here in the hope someone will assure me that the research I have done is incorrect and I shouldn't worry for my friend, however you don't seem able to do that, in fact your evasive tactics and seemingly aggressive posts (I am not calling you aggressive by the way, this is purely a comment on the tone of what you write) do quite the opposite.

Oh my! And in what normal company does she think 'leaders are in competition with each other'? None that I have ever come across!

Sorry, forgot to thank acat.

I absolutely wasn't trying to beat the system (if I had been I would be in a shitload more debt) but when you're told you should be doing 4cc per month (don't forget 1cc is £160 wholesale) and that the only serious people in the business do that as a minimum and that to be involved in certain trainings you have to be doing 4cc. Then what other option is there?

You want the guidance from your upline to progress your business but there's caveats with that.

They say the ones who don't succeed in this business are the ones who make excuses, but your upline are the one who use excuses to make you feel like a failure and to get them out of working with you afterall you're not making them money if you're not doing your 4cc's and recruiting

Not getting enough customers?

• Well you're not talking to enough people to show them the expensiveproducts

Not recruiting enough people?

• Well you're not talking to enough people to show them the business

Finding it hard to recruit people? -Well you're not doing enough mindset training afterall you didn't sign up to that Dave O'connor 21 day mindset at $97

• Well you're not consistently pestering contacting 3-5 people a day to show them the opportunity, what do you expect?

I expect to have been told properly before I joined what was expected.

People who join Forever wrongfully shown that all you need to do is recommend the products and show people the opportunity and that 4cc can be achieved by selling 1cc and recruiting 2 people (2cc each)
BUT they're not told that if you work your way up the plan and get to manager, and then break a manager below you, you then HAVE to do 12cc per month outside their leg to get paid your bonus on their business.

I always wondered why some Senior managers quit and now I know it's because they found it too hard to do the 12cc outside their manager legs

Thought-provoking, isn't it?

last we need a new thread!!!

All 'MLM' rackets have set absolutely no limits on the numbers of persons being recruited, and all 'MLM' recruiters have been taught to recite the fairy story that absolutely anyone can succeed in MLM.

However, workingwithchimps has already admitted that MLM is not for everyone, whilst no one seriously disputes that the hidden overall loss/ churn rates in 'MLM' rackets have been effectively 100%.

Perhaps we should have reversed the questions and asked workingwithchimps:

Why is it that 'MLM' has not been profitable for the overwhelming majority of persons who have signed up for it?

Why didn't those signing up all these people(including workingwithchimps), disclose the key-information that 'MLM' recruits have a virtually zero-chance of generating an overall net profit, but it's a virtual certainty they will lose money?

Might the withholding of this key-information, have something to do with the fact that all 'MLM' Bots have been programmed to recite a '100% postive' script, and never to say anything 'negative' about their activity?

I can see why people are jumping ship.

Even though the one they're going to is just as leaky underneath any fresh paint and bunting!

chimps a genuine question here- if you are so tenacious and willing to work hard why not just set up your own business instead of hopping from one pyramid scheme to another? I have friends who have businesses doing things like customising clothing, or making table decorations and similar things? Perhaps you have a creative skill you could put to use instead? Then all the money you make is your own, and you don't have feel the pressure to make fraudulent claims to make money?

LMGTFY - Melaw21 - for many years I worked for the "man" - large corporates, medium companies - always at the top of my game - to date I probably made in the region of 10 mill in sales alone, travelled extensively around the globe - away from the family - all just to make a buck. Despite all the pats on the back, and the applause each month my targets got bigger, and each month were reset to zero - MLM to me is similar except I control my targets - I control my lifestyle and I control the way I do business. Each MLM has it own way of doing things - the previous ones I was involved in were not foe me - I failed - whether it was me or product does not matter - I failed - I dealt with it and moved on - now I am succeeding - there are some in my team that are doing the same - there are some that are not, having failed myself before allows me to take the view that I choose to hold.

Gosh, have some time out at my real life job and come back to another bot visit!

And all the time and money spent trotting around to "training" events you could spend on your own business instead?

rayofhope and lest we forget that below every uberbot there has to be several thousand recruits who aren't making a penny, because that's the maths of mlms. You cannot have an uberbot without this massive downline, just the same as you cannot have a tiny percentage 'doing ok' at the top without that enormodownline, doing not ok. You could explain this to a toddler and they'd understand it. but explain this to a bot and they seem rather dismissive of it, I wonder why?
At least the office junior gets paid for her troubles can afford a holiday (with paid time off), pity the poor ants legs in an mlm, they don't
Just not buying this, 'I control the way I do business.' No, no you don't , the mlm you work for could get closed down and you'd be able to do nothing about it, just like Vemma was closed down by the authorities in the USA. The business models of all mlms are the same, same traning, same bullshit contrived scripts, slightly different 'pay' scales and pyramid formations but not much difference, really.

chimps you say MLM is not for everyone - what attributes do you think you have personally that makes you succeed?