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Can't Stop Won't Stop - MLM Botwatch 10 Now Featuring MLMers who don't answer questions, jokes, posts by eyes, questions about Forever Living, Ariix, Younique, Jamberry etc as scambralamas

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lastuseraccount123 · 25/02/2016 16:08

facebook.com/timelessvie

facebook.com/liestopper

timelessvie.wordpress.com

@Timeless Vie

Soon to be on Instagram :) :) !!

blogwatchblog.blogspot.com

For newbies: Downline = people at the bottom of the pyramid scheme/"MLM" opportunity

Feel free to re-ask all your good, fact-based questions to our new MLM visitors! Just keep your expectations low.

Be prepared for being called a drug dealer!

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throwingpebbles · 28/02/2016 00:35

Or maybe he has gone over to the dark side and is currently taking selfies in front of a white Audi whilst clutching a bottle of aloe and working his aggressively groomed eyebrows

throwingpebbles · 28/02/2016 00:45

Oh a marginally less serious note, if anyone else feels annoyed (or otherwise) about NCT being so friendly with various MLMs, particularly Forever, then please feel free to join my AIBU
here

Toobusytowee · 28/02/2016 03:36

Morning ParalaiiPussiiiies! What are you all doing in bed when I'm here writing blog posts all on my own? Honestly!
botwatchblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/28/making-false-health-claims-part-1/

This blog post is about why you shouldn't make crappy lying health claims. Maybe try posting a link to offenders? Part two coming tomorrow hopefully.

LMGTFY · 28/02/2016 04:01

Excellent blog post, so tempted to post it on my bots' pages.

BlahBlahFuckingBlah · 28/02/2016 07:21

Excellent blog, will be sharing it to my FB page. I have a couple of friends that have been sucked into FL hook, line and sinker. I'm really quite worries about them Sad

FacebookHelp · 28/02/2016 07:25

Unfortunately I've already been dismissed at a 'hater' and jealous of their success. They're ploughing all their savings and like many other believe this time next year they'll be millionaires

Toobusytowee · 28/02/2016 07:49

I'm sorry to hear that blahblah and facebookhelp. Every now and again try and extend the hand of friendship to them. Invite them to something so they know they still have friends on the 'outside'. Then when it all goes wrong they will know that you are there. It is easy for your friends to become dependent on their MLM fake friends and feel isolated and be more sucked in.

BlahBlahfuckingBlah · 28/02/2016 07:57

Is FL likely to implode on itself? It seems to be massive almost like a religion (a very expensive one)

crumpetsfortea37 · 28/02/2016 08:06

toobusy brilliant blog post!

AbolishFlobots · 28/02/2016 08:21

The JP bot I knew isn't doing it now but admitted to me after she stopped that it was like a cult.

She's trained as a Personal Trainer now and kind of just ignores that part of her life when she was selling / selling / selling and taking pictures of herself in front of a laptop in the garden.

cozietoesie · 28/02/2016 08:22

They have to run out of people and cash in the UK, Blah. It's in their genes. (Unfortunate for the poor souls who are sinking big money into it.) They're starting to move into less 'developed' markets though - where allowed - such as Africa and South East Asia. The consequences of that could be pretty bad if people are not alert.

Eyespying · 28/02/2016 08:24

throwingpebbles FYI, My Bond girls took the night off, leaving me free to watch the rugby unmolested.

Meanwhile, no rational article has appeared in the mainstream media to counter the WSJ pro-'MLM' propaganda which raised the market, capitalised value of the 'Herbalife' racket by around 20% or $1 billion at the back end of last week.

It's been left to independent commentators to play the role of the media.

seekingalpha.com/article/3934206-herbalifes-new-regulatory-language-really-mean

seekingalpha.com/article/3934306-ftc-cook-herbalifes-golden-goose

seekingalpha.com/article/3937666-herbalife-definitely-settling-4-potentially-extremely-dangerous-myths

I would remind MN readers that I was banned from the Seeking Alpha financial platform after its administrators were deluged with complaints from the resident 'Herbalife' claque, insisting that I was using inflammatory language: cult, pernicious, totalitarian, propaganda, racket, fraud, etc. in my comments about 'Herbalife.' Laugably, no rational evidence-based argument was ever put forward on SA to refute the accuracy of my description of what has been lurking behind 'Herbalife' and 'MLM.'

Ribbet8890 · 28/02/2016 08:25

Brilliant bog post! #nct involvement makes me very very cross!

lazycoo · 28/02/2016 08:38

Yeah the NCT need to get their house in order. facilitating the exploitation of their members who join primarily for guidance.

Eyespying · 28/02/2016 08:51

BlahBlahfuckingBlah 'Is FL likely to implode on itself?'

I consider that the vast scale of the overall 'MLM' phenomenon might actually be its undoing. We've got to the stage where this extraordinary phenomenon cannot remain ignored by governments for much longer. Too many observers now understand exactly how it functions.

'FLP' is one of approximately 1400 essentially identical front companies for 'MLM' cultic racketeering, currently registered in the USA. A significant number of these rackets, like 'FLP,' are vast operations hiding behind labyrinths of corporate structures internationally. These 'MLM' front-companies have all behaved as camouflaged 'Prosperity Gospel Churches', all preaching the same dangerous lie as the truth.

Since it was first coined in the late 1940s, 'MLM' has become the most common made up technical-sounding name for the age-old, non-rational economic pseudo-science, the deluded adherents of which believe the crackpot theory that:

never-ending recruitment + never-ending payments by the recruits = never-ending profits for the recruits.

cozietoesie · 28/02/2016 08:54

That's why the MLMs become so excitable about picking up people of 'expertise' and possible influence. (I'd hate to be a medical professional who was an unwitting target - their phone and media pages must be so red-hot that they won't have a moment's respite.)

Get someone who is in a position to influence an organisation and you've pretty well got the organisation itself. 'White Coat Syndrome' writ large.

cozietoesie · 28/02/2016 08:56

China isn't ignoring it, Eye. I know they have MLM activity there but they've implemented anti-MLM legislation at least which is one heck of a start.

lazycoo · 28/02/2016 08:56

When this bursts it's going to make a big mess. Stand back people! Quite a few red faces on Wall Street I would imagine.

eyes hope those bunny girls are looking after you. I like to imagine you've got a pad similar to Incrediboy in the Incredibles.

cozietoesie · 28/02/2016 09:02

The trouble is lazy, that the people who are/will be hurt the most are individuals on the ground who will just have to 'retire hurt' , lick their wounds and pay off their credit cards.

Eyespying · 28/02/2016 09:13

cozietoesie 'MLM' cults have counted an alarming number of medical professionals amongst their ranks. In the UK, I've observed doctors, nurses, dentists, vets, chemists, etc., but I've also observed many people from para-medical activities; particularly, osteopaths, chiropractors, etc.

'Scientology' has comprised various front companies (notably 'Sterling Management') pretending to specialise in the management of medical practises. These sub-groups were specifically designed to ensnare, and defraud, medical professionals

The classic cult instigator, L. Ron Hubbard (who pretended to hold the title of 'Doctor') lured a real qualified medical practitioner, Dr. Joseph Winter, into writing the introduction to his first, pseudo-scientific comic-book, 'Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health.'

Winter soon fell out with Hubbard, but the damage was already done.

pootlepootle · 28/02/2016 09:28

I've read through everything and I go from sad in the waste of money and the selling of people's souls to fascinated with just how they get people so sucked in.

Some eleven or twelve years ago, I sold children's books party plan. That was definitely a mlm. It taught me that the only person who is going to make money out of mlm is the owner.

Their head office was on a business Park near here. What I learned from the money I lost was some brilliant business lessons and I don't think I'd have started my own real business without doing the mlm because it turns out that I like the rush of excitement of selling stuff. I didn't know that before.

The problem was I didn't want to recruit anyone. Therefore I failed at mlm.

Over the last 12 years, my real business has grown and we're now on the same business estate, indeed opposite them. I sat in my office and watched them go bust and lots of books ended up in skips. It was actually quite sad as by then all of the staff had been let go and the rumours were that they didn't get paid.

I do think that there's two types of mlm and your phoenix cards and Usborne are easy ways to lose your money but they do seem more focused on selling actual product.

Whrn selling books, I did a show with another lady. We were stood on the thing all day. It was boring and I'd had to find childcare in order to do it. I didn't find that it worked around my children at all. Anyway, at the end we sat there and worked out how to split the proceeds. We had a bit of a row about it as she was sure that I wasn't giving her enough money. In reality I don't think she was thinking my maths was shite, more that she couldn't believe that she'd sat all day in a tent talking to people who didn't really want to talk to us, missing a day with her dh and kids for far less than anyone would work for. Indeed, she'd bought herself some lunch and there wasnt much left. She left after that.

Someone posted a company check listing for a bot who was Ltd. Looking at it carefully, she's carrying too much stock but at least it's paid for. £0 liabilities is a very good thing but the figures don't indicate an amazing lifestyle. She's not running at a loss because the stock cost doesn't come off the profit until it's sold.

I knew a woman doing fl who took her daughter out of our village school and put them into a very expensive private school. She honestly believed that within a year she'd be making so much money that she would be able to afford the fees.

She'd made such a fuss when she took her daughter out of our school that when she realised that wouldn't be able to keep her in private, she felt that she couldnt come back without her jeopardising her 'business'' reputation so had to drive them miles to a different school and asked people to try to keep it quiet.

I think in her case, it sucked her in more because she was so unhappy in her own life. She was a prime target. I can't imagine how much they lost.

Im normally a lurker but wanted to add my thoughts.

Eyespying · 28/02/2016 09:28

Incrediboy in the Incredibles? That's a new one on me.

cozietoesie · 28/02/2016 09:33

Thanks for those, pootle. Thought provoking indeed.

cozietoesie · 28/02/2016 09:37

And Yes - books can indeed be the subject of MLM activity, however 'wholesome and jolly' they seem on the surface. You really almost have to ignore the nature of the stuff and look at the methods. As long as the product has a halfway-believable 'hook', that' all that matters.

Eyespying · 28/02/2016 09:37

cozietoesie Robert FitzPatrick was one of the people consulted by Chinese officials when they drew up legislation banning all trading schemes based on endless-chain recruitment. 'MLM' companies were initially identified as cults and frauds, and banned in China, but then (after US government-assisted lobbying) a few were allowed back into to certain Chinese provinces as retailers. However, there's been lots of evidence coming out of China demonstrating that the same cultic rackets are still operating behind these new 'non-MLM' fronts. Bear in mind, China has been one of the most corrupt states in the world.