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For newbies: Downline = people at the bottom of the pyramid scheme/"MLM" opportunity

Feel free to re-ask all your good, fact-based questions to our new MLM visitors! Just keep your expectations low.

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It's a heck of a start though. Once you have legislation on the statute books, you tend to get amendments to it rather than it being taken away. Getting it there in the first place is the big one in my experience.

cozietoesie Religions have also been strictly controlled in China. The most aggressive Chinese internal security services initially went after 'Amway' because there were Falung Gong adherents involved with 'Amway.'

The 'Mormon Church' is banned from recruiting in China.

www.asiasentinel.com/politics/the-falun-gong-shadow-over-direct-marketing-in-china/

One thing which apparently I alone considered, and even posted on Seeking Alpha, was the possibility that Chinese government officials could themselves short sell a publicly-traded 'MLM' front company like 'Herbalife' with the intention of destroying it's market price (and making a fortune) by having it banned in China.

Anyone, investing in 'Herbalife' has been playing Chinese Russian roulette.

Yes Prettyusefulsometines I have been mulling over the similarities between MLM (esp FL) and LDS.

Heavenly Father = Rex
Monthly payment to church = 1CC
Hierarchy in church = up line

• reshuffles in both Missionary=Distributor (1-2-1 meetings for both) Family home evening, men's night, women's night, youth night, Sunday church, Sunday school = sizzles, conferences, meetings Scripture reading (in morning) = mindset training The aim of the game for both MLM and the Mormon church is to keep as busy as possible so you don't notice the cracks.

MLM are totally modelled on the Mormon church

Even all the "I feel so blessed" talk

(Also a Big Love fan and friend of Mormon)

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'Mormon Missionaries' also:-

• have to finance their two-year recruitment tours of duty (to the tune of several thousands dollars) and they are given net-loss pocket-money back.

• are taught to identify potential recruits who are in a psychologically/financially vulnerable state, and who can be befriended and made dependent.

• are taught to approach countless individuals and to pretend that they have good news which they wish to spread.

• on average, recruit no more than 2 or 3 people during their unpaid tours of duty.

The really extraordinary thing about what's currently happening in the UK with 'Mormon' controlled cults like 'FLP,' etc., is that it's all happened before, but behind a different facade tailored to fit the spirit of the age.

Britain was the first country where 'Mormon Missionaries' were sent to find 'fresh meat,' because it was impossible to recruit in the USA.

www.theguardian.com/uk/the-northerner/2012/jul/24/mitt-romney-mormons-preston-lancashire-ribble

And women are actively discouraged from going in missions.

Genuine question. Does anyone here have a child or close family/situation with autism? I know I've got a bee in my bonnet here but can I please ask.

What would you do/ say if a JP bot tried selling you their 'magic beans' claiming it could cure your child's autism?

Do you think some parents may purchase it in the hope of a cure/ relief from some symptoms?

Powertotheparalai For this particularly sinister chapter of the self-perpetuating 'JP' fairy story to have spread, then some parents must have become genuinely convinced that the wampum has helped their autistic children. The more convinced an 'MLM' recruiter becomes that any part(s) of the fairy story is(are) true: the more convincing a recruiter he/she becomes.

'Scientology's' non-rational view of autism is even more disturbing.

guardianlv.com/2012/11/jd-john-travolta-kelly-preston-admit-son-jett-was-autistic-against-scientology-doctrine/

My son is autistic and I would be furious if I were approached. Unfortunately there are a lot of vulnerable parents who will try anything which is what scammy bots are banking on.

My son is autistic and I have Aspergers. I'd be furious if approached and would let them know in no uncertain terms.

I have a son with ASD and I would be furious too. Once I'd calmed down I would want to know why, if they work they aren't offered on the NHS and how they work as ASD is a neurological disease. Actually i's quite like someone to try and sell me some to see what they say...

I think that being told there's an apparent 'cure' for something is a difficult position to be if you're already stressed by a situation. I suspect that many people, even when they say No, firmly, might have just that tiny residual niggle of 'What if....?' And might be able to be worn down in time. (Which distributors are trained to deal with. )

They're cold and despicable tactics. (And that's what they are - tactics.)

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Found this group on FB. Pretty much an advertising site for MLM. Worth a visit to check out some of the links. You need to put in title exactly with the dashes.

Just discovered Reliv I think it is a new MLM in the UK. Found FB site Visionarys if you press *more drop down box there is a lot of info. The product is being sold as an anti cancer drug essentially. I have really only had a glance but it is based on a soya derivative.

Launched in the UK in January in Solihull!

Willdoitinaminute i don't even know where to start with that thread! Just awful.

'Nutritional epigenetics'? 'Nutrigenomics'?

This has been more than a couple of hours in the making.

I have had a quick look at the Uk web site and it's been around in the USA for 20 yrs with 60000 distributors worldwide so very small compared to other MLMs. The product is promoted as a general supplement for wellbeing. So very vague claims made on the site itself. Lots of suggestive scientific BS. All the research by one obsessed scientist... Does this sound familiar. Very convincing. I didn't check but if it is a soy based product manufactured in the USA would it be GM free ?
There is a beautiful slide show demonstrating how the business works. To be honest it is very clear how this is a pyramid scheme and no hiding behind jargon. Full marks for clarity but they are still selling snake oil.

I would probably just look at them wryly and inform them that there is no cure for autism.

I know there would be many parents who would be desperate for a 'cure'. I don't look for treatments so perhaps I am not so 'vunerable' to the suggestion as some could be.

The word they prefer is 'wellness', Will.

You may be stronger, MrGrumpy, but many people in that situation are too tired and anxious for their critical faculties to be fully active. I'm sure that distributors are shown a good method and script as well - go back and re-read Cubic's chilling posts detailing the sort of scripts she was given to follow. I'm sure that that sort of situation would be child's play to a determined manipulator who had been given additional coaching.

We are pretty much 'rich pickings'. ASD and a neurological condition. I can see how people in my situation ate easily targeted.

I can't get him to take calpol, so no chance of him taking gloop of any description.

That did mean we had to back put of a medical study though, which was a real shame.

Several years ago I was contacted by some guys who had started to argue with the 'Amway' Lord Hee Haw on a forum run by the James Randi Foundation.

The discussion had started off in a very similar way to these threads on MN, but it was quickly diverted by 'MLM' apologists pretending that no one had a right to comment unless they had been involved in 'MLM.'

I believe that when this video link below got posted on the Randi forum, the 'MLM' apologists all fell about laughing at the suggestion that any 'MLM' leader could be compared to the notorious charlatan healer, Peter Popoff, but the difference is only in the presentation.

Although it doesn't seem possible, the (now elderly) Peter Popoff is still getting away with the same scam in the USA. I believe he now peddles 'Holy Spring Water.' It just goes to show that desperate people will believe absolutely anything. Whilst, 'MLM' rackets seem almost plausible next to the likes of Popoff.

Yes I suspect you are rich pickings. And it's no wonder that they use friendship circles so much. It's fairly easy to rebuff someone who cold calls you - although some people clearly can't do it or chuggers would long have been out of business - but when someone you know is inside your space, your guard is at least partially down. It's so darned cold.