MLM BOT WATCH 8 - Lighthearted chat and posts by Eyes about Forever Living, Ariix, It Works is a church, NuSkin, Younique, as scambralambascambaralamlas

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Oh interesting eyes , is it about to go the same way as Herbalife?

New to this thread- I've lurked for a while but I've just gained my first FB bot so thought the time had come to post. The girl in question is 20, in her second year of uni and thinks FL is going to be a great business to fund her studies. This is going to end badly isn't it? :(

They seem to be really going after students at the moment donad . Can't see many of their friends wanting to spend a fortune on over priced aloe gloop though. Although I expect those with a science /medical background will rather enjoy picking apart all the "medical" claims...

Words fail me. Never mind goin spend some quality time up the park with my Grandsons before the rain comes.

This girl is bright, went to an academic school and studying at a red brick uni, but sadly lacking in common sense. She would have bought into their aloe magic powers crap without questioning it. Judging by her launch post on social media she might sell the lip balms (although the people who want the lip balms have mothers who are bots by the looks of things, so not sure how many they'll actually be buying off her) but everyone else commenting just wants to go into business with her, not buy the stuff. I can see it now, whole team of student bots with no one to sell to!

I was pretty much that girl!! Thank fully studying Law shook some nous into me, and I had one of the health conditions they push aloe for, and had actually read proper medical books on it (geek who likes researching ) so I knew my bot was spouting utter nonsense (and at the time,FL actually published this nonsense in their own brochures)

We've discussed up thread how easy it is for even bright people to get sucked in. The organisations use heavy handed techniques and tend to focus on vulnerable people (and yes, I would class many students as "vulnerable")

The people on these threads have provided loads and loads of evidence of how unethical MLMs are and how most people lose money. We have all seen how bots behave on Facebook etc.

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask the bots that have just started engaging with us to provide some evidence of their own. Anecdotal evidence from someone with a vested interest and no evidence is not going to come across as very credible. We are not being hostile, we just deal in facts. Until evidence is provided to back up these claims, we are all correct in taking their statements with a massive pinch of salt.

I for one would be interested in seeing some of these bots' recruitment adverts. Let's see how honest and ethical they are. Or payslips with the names obscured? Or a list of outgoings/incomings? We need details for you to be at all believable.

Beautifully put toobusy. I agree. We actually aren't trying to be mean but why should we just take unsubstantiated claims at face value?

Vegodoll Doesn't seem realise that I am not an 'anonymous person' on these threads, nor am I 'making out that everyone in an MLM needs help.'

For a long time I've been openly saying that a significant minority of 'MLM' bosses, and under-bosses, need prosecuting under the US federal RICO Act, 1970.

mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.fr/2012/07/the-olympic-symbol-was-perverted-by-mlm.html

My bot is saying how her snake oil aloe shit is helping her relationship. ha

Whats 'labido?' :D

Ooh, I think we should nominate someone to do a trial

They look rather like the kind of claims that forever expressly forbid though ....

see here

I will do a trial

Eyespy have you found anything on what we spoke about? I don't have pm ability at moment

Vegodoll, if I were making claims about my earnings against all the evidence I would be happy to provide proof. My earnings are not in question here.

WonderousStories I have not been able to find anything further on what we spoke about.

If you haven't PM access, you can always e-mail me:

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I'd be more interested in the earnings of the downline. For instance the woman who posted on the last thread (botwatch 7) . I don't dispute you are probably making money. But the stats I'd love to see is for the 5000 odd in your downline. Because the mathematics of mlms mean that only around 0.04% will turn a net profit, infact it's not possible for the upline to make money without a sizeable downline of people who have no return on their investment, with the bottom levels of the downline constantly renewing themselves - the evidence is there in that you can not ever stop recruiting.
This is why we do not call it a business, this is why we call it a scam, this is why people will get upset about it. This is why we can't understand why the upline aren't upset about it either.

Wow eggsandketchup! That's quite a few claims in that advert! There isn't a proper drug that can do all that.

I have referred a persistent health claiming bot to the MHRA and asked them what rules are being broken. I shall be watching my email inbox with interest.

On a lighter note, does anyone want to rent a castle and really push their business to the next level #parslaipower
Castle

I've looked at the maths too sminky I'm pretty good with numbers myself, have had my engineering friend looks at them because he is pretty good with numbers too and to check my understanding

engineering friend helped me put it into silly simple terms for a friend of ours who wanted to do it and we succeeded in her having second thoughts

basically because the commission percentages are so small it takes an awful lot of them to add up to something worth living off.

So bot 1 at the bottom only makes money on her sales
bot 2 makes them on her sales and bot 1s sales
bot 3 makes them on hers, bot 1s and bot 2s.

But because the numbers are small being fed upline they aren't really noticeable for the bottom ones when their % is larger yay I made £4 on a £20 bottle of shampoo upline only got 50p but for the upline when you have 10, 100 or 1000 of these tiny percentages it really adds up.

Eek pepples your castle is amazing hun

bettyberry That's assuming that retailing for a profit has been regularly occurring behind the reality-inverting 'MLM Direct Selling' facade.

'MLM' recruiters are everywhere, but they are not trying to peddle their products to the general public.

In reality, all 'MLM' rackets have offered commission payments on the participants' own purchases and on those of the purchases of the participants' recruits, and on those of the recruits of the recruits, etc. ad infinitum.

The allied advance-fee ('motivation/ mindset training') frauds, have programmed core-'MLM' adherents to duplicate a step-by-step plan of never-ending recruitment and self-consumption.

Although all 'MLM' racketeers have constantly repeated the words 'selling' and 'retailing,' in reality, the overwhelming majority of transactions in 'MLM' rackets have been between the participants and the 'MLM' front-companies to which they have been under contract, because the wampum products have been effectively-unsaleable to the general public due to their banal quality and exorbitant fixed-price.

'MLM' rackets have had no significant, or regular, source of revenue, other than never-ending chains of losing investors.

In this way, billions of dollars of unlawful losing investment payments (based on the false expectation of future reward) have been, and continue to be, laundered as 'lawful sales' (based on value and demand).