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A letter from HMRC or concentrix part 8

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Morgani97 · 23/01/2016 11:58

Have you received a letter from HMRC or Concentrix? This is part 8 now. Have you had the dreaded letter demandeing evidence you live alone? Hopefully we can support each other and try and make sense of it all.

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Shell234 · 29/06/2016 18:34

No i dont recieve income support .just working tax and child credit tax

Duffy26 · 29/06/2016 18:55

I don't receive income support just working and child tax credits as I work. Iv been waiting for 9 weeks and I called yesterday to be told they have only just looked at my documents whilst I was on the phone I would recommend giving them a call cause if u leave it they seem to be not caring who's documents came first x

Shouldstartaprotest16 · 29/06/2016 20:27

Hi I had the info another adult is living with you. Sent docs off the next day and received them back a week later with a letter saying they write shortly. Sick with worry as if they decide to stop my claim I will lose everything as I'm on all benefits

wow23 · 29/06/2016 20:41

Thank you - it looks all letters are coming from the same place then. I have been waiting nearly 10 weeks now i am sick of phoning them. Last time i called two weeks ago i was told it would be about another week but still not heard

wow23 · 29/06/2016 20:42

Duffy, did they tell you what the outcome was on over the phone for your case?

Loulabell09 · 29/06/2016 20:57

Shouldstartaprotest16 welcome to the thread, it has stopped me going completely crazy the last month having others in the same boat to talk to. No what you mean about the sick with worry as I am the same as you on all benefits. I got my documents back within a week and have heard nothing now for 3 weeks. How long since u got yours back? Some people on here are waiting 9+ weeks so can't complain to much but after this week i will be phoning every few days to push for an answer as I can't cope being in this limbo of waiting and stressing out x

Shouldstartaprotest16 · 29/06/2016 21:23

Loulabell09, it was a week ago I received docs back, I know it's not very long ago but the last week has seemed like a year waiting to hear back from them. Have you had any other benefits asking for your info??. I've been single for last year and I only receive maintenance for kids from my ex although a couple of months ago I used his card to buy sum thing small online and gave him the cash, so am currently worrying about that, and I also sold my double buggy last year for £470 on eBay and did lots of online shopping with that money and didn't explain it was buggy money in my cover letter. I think I will crumble if I have to wait 9 weeks :( x

Blabla85 · 29/06/2016 21:29

sent all my docs nearly 2 weeks ago and not heard anything not even my documents back 👎👎

Shouldstartaprotest16 · 29/06/2016 21:31

All bill ect are in my name only, I'm hoping they visit me randomly and hopefully put this to rest x

bvelosa94 · 29/06/2016 21:41

I am really worried, I've had a letter also from concentrix to say I have another adult living with me. I really don't, I feel like I am being penalised because me and my ex partner have a brilliant relationship for the sake of our children although we never worked out he has always been an amazing father! He lives at his parents and has done since July 2014, they want evidence from April 2015-April 2016 to prove he doesn't live here.. My problem is he always transfers money into my account for anything the kids need, there is a lot of money he has transferred over the past year I really don't know what to do!! Help please

Loulabell09 · 29/06/2016 21:54

Shouldstartaprotest16 I know what u mean about a week feeling like a year but truthfully the longer it go's on the less I'm obsessing about it and starting to sleep and eat better. No other benefits have contacted me yet but I'm expecting it cause I think once a check is on your files they all jump on the bandwagon. If all your bills are in your name don't worry. Did u phone when u got the letter to ask who was linked to u? I did and was told it was my ex's mobile. He had a few things at my address he hadn't bothered to change but has now and they have also updated on his credit file. Don't worry about the eBay thing cause they can't class it as income if u r selling personal items surely. As for maintenance it is not relevant for tax credits. Sounds like everything is ok so try not to drive yourself crazy with worry. I am phoning back on Friday so will keep u updated as the letter stated 15 days and I'm going to just keep quoting this until they put me onto a manager x

Jajagabour100 · 29/06/2016 21:59

bvelosa94 Hi! Don't worry, you are getting maintenance and that is not taken into account for any benefits. I'm on IS and received the same letter, just sent my stuff off today. I called them to ask who they thought was living here and what evidence they had. The name they had was the previous tenant! I think these letters are being sent to anybody on tax credits. Have you contacted them to ask who they think is living at your address?

What I'm worried about, is a cash gift my brother and dad gave separately. A total of £900. It was declared at an interview at the Job centre, but I didn't realise I had to tell anyone else Confused

Shouldstartaprotest16 · 29/06/2016 22:05

Loulabell09 yea please do keep me posted on how you get on. I rang the day I received the first letter and they didn't take my case number just told me not to worry it wasn't because sum1 had grassed me up it was just a compliance check to make sure I'm financially in dependant and this could have popped up because of someone else's mail coming to my house? I said I never thought it was because sumone could of grassed me up cos I'm not doing anything wrong and he just said well there shunt b a problem then phhhfft!! Bvelosa94 your in the exact same boat as me , my ex was coming almost daily to see kids until this I have stopped this now incase it looks strange and it has affected our amicable relationship we hav for the children. Maybe write a cover letter to explain things?

Shouldstartaprotest16 · 29/06/2016 22:10

I'm also a bit scared to phone them as I read on another thread that they had told sumone that if you keep ringing them it makes u look dodgy x

Loulabell09 · 29/06/2016 22:11

bvelosa94 welcome to the thread, as Jajagabour100 says try not to worry, if all your bills are in your name and the money your ex is transferring is maintenance you should be ok. It could be anybody linked to your address so check with them and just so as you know they record all phone calls and do refer back to them. Apparently they sent 25,000 of these letters out last week alone so you r not on your own. Send what they ask for and make sure it is sent recorded or registered post x

Overtiredbackagain · 30/06/2016 10:46

Hi there, can I join you all?!

I had the childcare costs letter. I called the week after they received the documents, they confirmed receipt and had been scanned but to wait for a decision. I am currently on week 7. I know I will have an over-payment as I also receive childcare vouchers but wasn't aware that was an element you couldn't claim for, although I am certain on the initial calls I declared them.

I was worried sick to start with, still am, but the necessity of it isn't quite so urgent now, I am just biding my time. My claim only dates back from the end of 2014, which was when I started claiming after divorcing DC dad, as long as they accept a reasonable repayment offer, I can do no more.

I am worried about money though. I receive a small amount of maintenance for DC which was set by CMS. Their dad has now broken his leg (completely his own fault and I have no sympathy for him), but is now earning SSP, so I don't know whether I will be getting any maintenance payments at all, he has been signed off for the next 4 months. He will also not be paying me his half of joint debts, so I feel like everything is hitting at once and not sure what I will do Sad. I will be £400 a month down from lack of maintenance and having to cover his half of the debts, then reduction or totally losing tax credits will finish me off.

Overtiredbackagain · 30/06/2016 10:47

Sorry, waffling about unrelated stuff there - just fed up of worrying about money. I seriously wonder, do HMRC and/or Concentrix think you would claim in the first place, unless you absolutely needed to.

Oncandystripedlegs · 30/06/2016 11:56

Well, still nothing from Concentrix ( my was a query on childare costs) but have had my renewal back and they have reduced my entitlement by about £150 per month. I have been on entitledto and their figures suggest it should have gone up by about £100.......So confused by the whole thing now. Will call them but don't have the time today as am in work. If I have had my renewal back does it mean Concentrix have finished?

Loulabell09 · 30/06/2016 11:57

Overtiredbackagain welcome to the thread, I am not really sure about childcare as I got the other adult letter. From reading others stories I would give them a ring and ask can it be looked at as you are waiting so long. They have closed cases on the phone for people when pushed so worth giving it a try to put your mind at rest x

Overtiredbackagain · 30/06/2016 12:13

I haven't had my renewal back and I completed that online at the end of April, then received the Concentrix letter about two weeks after that. I have so much going on at the moment, and I know I will get an overpayment, so I will just sit tight, deal with the other stuff first and see what happens.

wow23 · 30/06/2016 13:13

Overtired, i am the same as you with the childcare vouchers and had the letter from concenteix. Im on week 10 and not heard back from them. I know i will have an overpayment. Phoned a few times and just told cant tell me how long it will be

Bea38 · 01/07/2016 19:20

Oh my gosh, I am so stressed out! So I received a letter from concentrix telling me they wrote to me on the 9th of May and that because I hadn't reply they had adjusted my claim! I rang and the man on the fone says the computers are down and not to worry a lot of letters had gone out, next day no working tax! I ring again and they want wage slips for the whole of last tax year as they are saying I only worked 15 hours a week. Now I owe them all the working tax back and can't claim. I am a home Carer with 2 children. I was literally pushed into working once my boy went to sch and now this! I suffer from general anxiety order and now I am getting loads of intrusive thoughts and feeling so unwell. I'm so worried about wats happening. Feel like I'm going to have to stop working which I def don't want to do as its keeping me sane and I love my job. How can they do this to people 😭😭😭

concentrix101 · 02/07/2016 11:43

Ok so this is going to take forever to explain.
I am a previous employee of concentrix for HMRC. Worked there from it basically started I'm going to explain exactly what happens.
HMRC has contracted concentrix to carry out compliance checks on three specific aspects of tax credits.

  1. Working hours
  2. Childcare
  3. Undeclared partner
The reason for this is because these are the highest categories which generate the most fraudulent activity. I'm not saying any of you are claiming fraudulently however there are people out there who are. HMRC are by law entitled to do at least 2 compliance checks a year if they deem necessary. It states that in the tax credit forms. This is why concentrix has been brought in. Concentrix deal with previous year/current year claims and renewals. So for now it's the tax year 2015-2016 and your renewal for 2016/2017 they can't renew your tax credits without your annual declaration and clearing the previous year risk thats why they ask for evidence for 2015/2016 from April to April.

Everything concentrix does is regulated by HMRC to a max. Concentrix does nothing without HMRCS say so, but they do have the power to stop your claim.

So I'll go through each individual risk and hopefully make things easier for you since current employees basically can not say this shit on the phone. It's completely understaffed over 300 people for over one hundred thousand cases and the advisors you speak too are completely underpaid, they do 40+ hours a week and not one bit of gratitude from concentrix or HMRC and they are barely a day older than 21 for the most part.
Case workers are targeted at basically 25+ closed cases a day.
So think about the many letters you receive.

There are 5 steps.

Step one:
You get your opening letter stating that an investigation has been raised to ensure you're receiving the right amount of tax credits.

Step two has multiple parts:

  1. You send the evidence.
  1. Caseworker assesses the evidence
  1. Sometimes there's not enough evidence to make a decision in that scenario we go to
  1. You receive a more information letter for the majority of the evidence you've sent in already and you're frustrated as hell because you thought you sent everything in. Well no.
You haven't. They want everything they've asked for on the letters -

For Undeclared partner:

These cases are flagged because there has been someone registered to the address, they never told us where they got there information from but I'm guessing it's credit reference agencies.
Because if someone applies for a loan or a mortgage or any sort of credit, job even visas, they almost always have to provide a full address history, as soon as they put your address in, it flags up hence the compliance check.

If you live with your parents they're obviously going to be registered at the address they own the damn place or it could be siblings popping up.

If you have ANY kind of joint account with your ex, even if they're closed, credit reference agencies hold that information for years so it will still pop up.

You are not being singled out they are compliance checks. If you notice in the letter instead of over reacting it states "may be another adult living with you"
It doesn't mention partner.
It used to, but that was a major screw up on there end.

The evidence:

all bank statements from April to April. FOR ALL BANK ACCOUNTS. If you're worried about payments from people explain it in a letter, as long as you don't have transactions like "I love you hunny" or "for my husband xxxxx" or "wifey" they won't call to question the payments. Yes it's a pain in the ass but if they can see that you're financially supporting yourself then you're grand.

Tenancy agreement, but really an up to date headed letter from your landlord stating who lives in your house works just as well and has more weight than a tenancy agreement.

The reason they ask for legal separation documents is because if you are married, and separate for a short time and resume the relationship - HMRC still considered you a married couple because it wasn't permanent, so they will take the whole lot off you and make you pay it back. If you're married and you are likely to stay separated, explain to them in a letter that divorce is not an option due to financial reasons and put the date on it which your husband or wife left. If you are divorced, don't send the originals, photocopy them, have them certified by a bank with a stamp and they'll accept it.

The only thing they look for in a council tax bill is single discount

And they want utility bills to prove they're in your name.

If your ex pays them and they're in his name because it's a maintenance agreement EXPLAIN IT IN A LETTER.

For undeclared partner if you send all that crap in and before the time is up, it's dealt with more quickly.

The day you receive the letter, instead of phoning concentrix and waiting on hold for over an hour - call your bank order the statements or print them off from your online banking what's a few quid to order them rather than risk having thousands per year took away?
Call your landlord as for the letter, if you can't get utility bills because you're on prepaid meter on online statements - print them.
They give you 30 days sometimes more to get the evidence.

For working hours:

Working hours mainly flags for compliance checks because every month when your payslips are issued or your job is doing payroll by law they have to update this to HMRC, so the income they declare to them for you each week/fortnight/four weekly/monthly may be less than minimum wage which triggers the checks.
You may have been off sick or on maternity or even term time workers.

Just bare in mind, if you're long term sick - HMRC regulations states you're not entitled to WTC after 28 weeks.
For those that take a years maternity leave, HMRC regulation says you're only entitled to 39 weeks, so after that if you haven't returned to work they'll end your WTC.

For the evidence:
Forget the hundreds of payslips you've probably thrown out along the way over a year, I never kept mine so it's understandable.
Quickest way to comply with working hours and have it out of the way -

Get a letter headed letter from your employer stating the date you started work, how many hours per week you work.
16 hours if a single parent or disabled and over 60
24 hours if you're in a joint claim
30 hours if you have no children

Bare in mind - if you're employer says you work less than those hours they'll take WTC away.

For childcare:

This normally flags because the average amount for childcare for whatever many children you have may be less than what you have declared or because your childcare provider is not a registered with the likes of ofsted, family support NI etc etc
And your child has reached the age where they get their 15 free hours of childcare

If it's the latter then you need to slap your childcare provider silly because they have done you out of your tax credits.

If you use child care vouchers you need to deduct these costs now, you're not entitled to those.
And you need to work out how much you actually pay AFTER the vouchers and the 15 hours free if you claim it.

If you're in a joint claim you're only entitled to child care if you BOTH work 16 hours.

The evidence:

Again just like the working hours -

Ask your child care provider or providers to write a headed letter stating when your child started, how much you pay per week, if needs be get them to deduct the child care vouchers and free hours and include that on the letter too along with their registration number.

If it is all done like that, 98% of the time you won't get a more information letter unless you've got a brainless tool working your case.

Moving on to step 3:
The suspension letter:

This is sent for 1 or all of 3 reasons.

  1. You have not complied with the opening letter
  2. You have not complied with the more information letter (sometimes the more information letter is sent out even if you don't comply with the opening letter)
  3. You have confirmed the risk in your evidence and they have suspended payments to prevent you from being overpaid.

Like I said before, if you send what I said above, you most likely won't get a more information letter or a suspension letter.

Step 4:
This only applies between April 5th and 31st July

They'll send you a letter or call you asking for your annual declaration in full or why what you have declared on the annual declaration doesn't match what your employer said you earned for the year.

If you don't comply with this by 31st July they will finalise your previous year award on the details they have from HMRC and your current year award with be terminated.
Meaning all the provisional payments you have got from Apr - July you will have to pay back all of it, because from the start of the year, you're not actually entitled to the money until you finalise your claim with your annual declaration that's why HMRC spill so much money on advertising to remind you to renew.

And lastly step 5:

The decision letter.

This can go in your favor or against you but that's up to you.

You'll receive a non amend letter based on the evidence you've sent if you have sent in enough to clear the previous year risk for any of the above.

Or you'll receive the amendment letter,
Meaning in undeclared partner:

You have not explained it properly and they have found enough ground to amend the case on.

Or you admit you partner recently moved in or has always lived with you.

For working hours:
You've never been entitled to WTC because you haven't worked the required hours

For childcare:
Your payments you have declared are a lot more than you should be getting.

I hope this helps you understand why you're receiving these, and you stop freaking out.
You should only be freaking out if you have something to hide, if you don't. Then comply with the letters.

My advice, if you're going to call up, do it after 7pm. JC

Loulabell09 · 02/07/2016 12:10

concentrix101 thank you so much for taking the time to write all this out and explain what Concentrix is looking for. It sure has put my mind at rest and I am sure a lot of othere. I wish someone like u had post on here before explaining everything as it would of stopped a lot of sleepless nights for people. Thanks again x

Shouldstartaprotest16 · 02/07/2016 12:43

That was amazing. And so needed doing thank u