MLM-bot watch - LIGHTHEARTED - continued discussion of Juice + Forever Living Younique etc as scams with laughing

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Continued LIGHT-HEARTED discussion here.

For heavy analysis, please check out Eyespy's threads on the same topic.

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Please keep this thread is bot-watching, sharing screenshots, random MLM info you find and other crazy shit, please and thankyou

And again, we could do none of this without all of you. Thank you.

Thank, Patzy. Just watched. Crikey.

Ooh what's the link for ec's 'ditch the kids' vids? I missed that?

It sounds like the tripe Eric Worre spouts (for a price) on his network marketing pro channel. His seminars are £100's for a few days. Bargain

Is it a pre-requisite that all these 'high-flying' characters actually have to look comically sinister?

Eyesspying im a bot watcher from Ireland
Watching these bots is like car crash tv. Its unbelievable stuff, you coudnt make this stuff up! I really am of the opinion now that these people have noting between their ears, if they cant see this is a pyramid scheme.A pyramid scheme is a business model that recruits members via a promise of payments or services for enrolling others into the scheme, rather than supplying investments or sale of products or services. All these people do is recruit people!someone posted a link earlier to Louise Perry's page,where some else said it was a scam, shes since deleted it!But all the bots jumped and said it wasnt a pyramid.It made me so mad.These people are seriously deluded.they all want new recruits, and let's be honest it's not because they are so overwhelmed with orders they need someone to help them with postage & packaging!As My mother used to say "if it was a dog it would bite them". I mean even the title they give themselves "recruitment specialists" .. The title alone says it's all about recruiting rather than selling this aloe crap. They put up a status saying they are looking for guillable people to join their team, and suddenly now their recruitment specialists.Give me a break I'm going on a bit now I know,but they really piss me off.They can't even see all they are are recruiters and sellers for a an American company! That's it!! You don't have a business love, your not a business owner, your not self employed ,your not an entrepreneur, I mean what a insult to genuine self employed people and entrepreneurs who work their arse off & don't sell overpriced green gulp for a company!Than they go to "success" day after success day after success day, and training day after training day after training day listening to other bots talking thru their holes!Im sure Foreverlivng pay for the training days!!oh wait no ,no they don't ,they have to pay themselves....HELLO HELLO HELLO!!!Pay themself!Where they spent more money buying more books. And pay for a website, and prob pay a yearly fee too.And as for the car plans , it's called a loan, you can go to your bank or credit union and get a loan! My good god!!I only have one bot friend on facebook(ones enough), a girl I used to go to college with back in 2006,she messaged me last yr out of the blue after 8 yrs of not speaking to her at 1am in the morning as she saw I was on Facebook. It wasn't how I was keeping she wanted to know!These people have no shame, and the worst of course they suck people in with what they know is lie after lie about how you can earn 3k per month. What bull..But you know what for most of these Bots the penny will drop , maybe next week, maybe 24 months time, but they will have a lightbulb moment and say yes what the hell have I been doing.Sorry .. Big Rant over

Siwi - I know, I had to skip back to digest what I was hearing!

M0 - I can't link it, but if you google her vimeos it's one of the latest ones.

This thread is great! I have recently started seeing these ridiculous FL adverts on my Facebook timeline and been drawn into Bot watching too. I actually commented on a thread on Louise Perry's page recently and was immediately pounced on by her fellow bots. LP remained tight-lipped but later deleted the thread and I think blocked me. I noticed a similar thing happened on Claire Spencer's page today - she had posted some claims to do with a cancer sufferer and when several people commented she quickly removed the thread and would not engage in any debate. It's such a weird world - how can these women be so drawn in by it all? What is so sad is that many of these women appear to have given up rewarding and meaningful careers to become involved.

Peacypops that must have been u I was referring to about on L.perrys page,,, or you saw the comments anyway,, it made me so angry all weekend,, I couldn't stop thinking that these people have no brain,, and you can't argue with them, if their "up line" ( even that term alone makes me LOL) told them they shit gold bars they'd believe it!! "If it sounds too good to be true..........................."

EC was also at it this weekend deleting comments about the fact her house is rented. Still worth commenting on their threads it might get through to someone eventually and at the very least the shills will have a constant reminder that they can't bullshit everyone!

Was probably me yes! I dared suggest that FL had elements of a pyramid scheme and that was it - the bots pounced! Think one even said I was doing women a disservice by suggesting they don't sign up. Just frustrating that you can't even debate with them or get a direct answer to a question. All so weird!

I would say you doing women(and men) a service. , their soooo deluded they can't see it's a scam load of bollocks .If that Facebook post or this thread saves one person from a "recruitment specialist " it would be worth it. If any potential FLbot is looking at this "great opportunity" to make 3000 a month(me eye) from selling tooth paste (seriously like, toothpaste,HELLO!!), than save yourself money, because yes you have to spent money for this super duper opportunity, and print out a cv and apply for a few hours work in a local shop or cafe or something, besides this load of absolute nonsense !

When you watch EC, she comes across as a fairly intelligent woman which makes it even harder to believe she got sucked into this charade, it's a shame she didn't put the same amount of time and energy into running a real business.

I was thinking about this. I find it hard to believe people can bare-faced lie to others.. And ec does seem like a genuine person but I'm thinking she's got herself in a situation she cannot back out of from any angle so it's easier to roll with it and live in denial. Even if she woke up tomorrow and decided to jack it in, do U think fl would let her? That would be a disaster for them! They would remind her about what all the people around her would 'lose', they would take her house away and black her name. She is essentially, trapped in a land of make believe imo. The only way she's getting out is if it all gets exposed... Which it will. Must be like living on a knife edge, even if the knife was bought from Harvey nicks.

I have a handful of very wealthy friends (NOT IN NETWORK MARKETING) And they are just normal people with even bigger stresses than your average Joe - keeping up appearances in tougher times (yes, they do have them too!) , responsible for livelihoods etc. One even takes heart medication for the stresses that large amounts of money comes with. Behind closed doors, family life is also regularly quite tense as the breadwinner can only think about work. But no one would know this via their fb pages or 'game faces'.

is it all really worth it from any angle? Excessive amounts of anything can never be good.

It all comes back to the phrase, "if it seems too good to be true..."

Teddy1970 -Whilst watching 'FLP' shills in action bear the following in mind.

The psychology of cults requires both manipulators and manipulated. Each side of this pernicious relationship magnifies the delusion of the other. The more the manipulated believe the manipulator's lies and worships him/her, the more the manipulator needs to believe the lies himself/herself. The more convinced the manipulator becomes that his/her lies are true, the more convincing he/she becomes.

Emma Cooper is clearly delusional and her delusion is still deepening. This former (unremarkable) Manchester policewoman (who never even managed to rise above the rank of Constable) now has many thousands of deluded fans who have mistaken her for 'The UK Wonder' and they hang on every scripted word she utters and every tear she sheds.

The 'FLP Wonder' (woman) will next be appearing in Berlin in 5 weeks time, the price for a ticket is 20 Euros.

vimeo.com/150880167

When you watch EC, she comes across as a fairly intelligent woman
Yes totally agree - I always think if it wasn't for all the FL bollocks She would be someone I'd get on with IRL, which makes it all the more

It's difficult really because I have to keep reminding myself this is people's real lives being played out, not just a car crash soap opera - which is what it feels like.

I have a close friend who does younique, she was in from the very start though so has done really well, she has a fairly big team but that seems to be incidental as she is very product driven, and I have to admit as a make up junkie I do quite like their products.

I've hidden an amway bot recently. she posted a scan picture, and my first thought was the poor kid being born into that, which felt mean spirited of me. Plus I really don't want to watch a pregnancy sponsored by amway for the next 6 months...

Yes, she's in so deep now she couldn't get out now even if she wanted to, plus the fact that all her family are deeply involved as well, there is no one to talk any sense any more in that family, it's actually quite scary how one company can control so many people, the FL bosses have got everyone where they want...for now at least.

Teddy1970 - See my reply on the other thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/2446930-FL-MLM-Thread-3?msgid=58900156#58900156

I think she EC believes it all! They talk a great deal about edification (although it was VERY clear in that sizzle video posted before that the woman highlighting it had no clue what it meant!) and self worth. I really do genuinely believe they think they're doing this for the greater good as opposed to the fact that they're greedy, shameless individuals being USED by a massive company. They also think they're visionaries. Leaders. Boss babes.

There's a lot of posts recently about cutting negatives (i.e. people who don't want you to throw your money/life away) out of your life. JL wrote about family holding you back and another bot posted a blog about loved ones ruining your dreams because they lack your vision. Even mentioning that they do it because they don't want you to meet new friends etc. (Nothing to do with common sense then!)

What a way to make you second guess your nearest and dearest!

And what a way to drive your minions away from anyone with more than one brain cell who could possibly steer them away from making an AWFUL decision.

If you get involved in this racket most people (and I really do meant most!) don't see you as a go-getter, just embarrassingly desperate. Your posts make our eyes roll and your aloe ambitions makes us cringe!

vimeo.com/152264691

And here is the link for the disingenuous Emma Cooper showing us just how much fun this business really is! #ditchthekids #aloeismyonlylove

Patzy85 - EC's jaw-dropping video ultimatum to the Bots, is strikingly similar to the one here in this clip from 'Glengarrry Glen Ross'. Emma flaunts her own vulgar 'success' and follows the same themes as Alec Baldwin's character, even if they are not quite so brutally presented:

Latest from one of my bots:

Putting some facts out there people... aloe vera does not detox the body in fact the C9 does not detox the body! 😱 Aloe vera actually improves epithelial tissue therefore improving the condition of the liver, kidneys skin and lungs...they do all the eliminating of toxins for us. I've not had a cold in over 9 months because 90% of the immune system centres around the gut, therefore healthy gut = strong immune system. And guess what?? I drink it everyday and it's saved me a fortune on cold and flu tablets and lemsips!!! And also makes my absorption of nutrients more efficient so for anyone who thinks they can't drink it cos it tastes disgusting....well man up and get it down ya! 😂😉

oh that video, Patzy !

#ithoughtisigneduptoFLformorefamilyandpjtime

now you're telling me to #ditchthekids

We're getting there! On school playground pickup today I heard the alpha mums talking about timeless vie and they didn't give a shit they were within earshot of the local über fl bot. Yes!!

What was bot's face like? Did she hear?

Gear give,
In chapter 6 of the FL company policy handbook it says that they are not allowed to make medicinal claims.
See also the compliance video posted by Möbius.

Sounds like she is breaking the rules.

Uh-oh. She's a close friend. Should I say something?

What's the 30 day thing she talks about?
Do we have any more info on that?

Siwi And don't forget those '(Mormon) Miracle Molecules.'

This list of what 'FLP' snake oil 'Argi-Plus' can do for your physical health, rate of ageing, physical appearance, sexual potency, etc., is apparently endless.

At approximately 1 min 40 seconds of this video we are even told about 'substances supporting mental health.'

vimeo.com/132365413