MLM-bot watch - LIGHTHEARTED - continued discussion of Juice + Forever Living Younique etc as scams with laughing

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Continued LIGHT-HEARTED discussion here.

For heavy analysis, please check out Eyespy's threads on the same topic.

Our own, fake MN MLM twitter, FB & blog accounts are here:

@TimelessVie
wordpress.com/timelessvie
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update: 459 likes on TV FB page, over 6,000 reach

nearly 5,500 views of blog - not bad since it was started in november, and we're noticing more and more websearches for TV too.

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Please keep this thread is bot-watching, sharing screenshots, random MLM info you find and other crazy shit, please and thankyou

And again, we could do none of this without all of you. Thank you.

I'm seeing more and more reps posting on groups I'm in, targeting people who ask if anyone works from home as they don't want to go back to work after their maternity or anyone got ideas to lose weight. One of them was making a medical claim about the C9.

I don't mind some of the products, they are quite good, but obviously expensive. But the whole recruiting thing on groups is starting to anger me.

Plus I've seen a few of the top ones saying that the only cost they had was the initial business in a box (£199.75) and that their day to day business has no expenses. So they're just denying travel, success days, meeting potential recruits, mindset books, sizzles etc.

It's not right.

I wonder if its about to peak? It does seem to be everywhere Many of my friends have been approached, or have had to unfriend someone for becoming a bot.
The C9 is very dodgy, indeed. I think I recall reading three different instances of hospital admission from people doing it, usually malnutrition/dehydration type things. Aloe gel can really screw with your blood sugar/make you throw up/give you the shits so it seems like a perfect recipe for a disaster to eat barely anything then supplement that with aloe.

Yes wouldn't it be fascinating if the whole thing started to collapse, I get the impression this is the first time it has been quite so big in the uk, and the uk is much smaller than the US and therefore probably can't sustain it as long as the US

darcey all they do is tell you to go global, so you don't need to always recruit in the UK. Then you have over 7 billion people to target (well obviously once theyre over 18) but then you're taught not to worry about it being too saturated there's always new adults that you can target

Just throwing some more grotesquerie out here.....all of my bots are now going on about Valentine's, predictably. How women want Yooooooneeeqqk shite instead of chocolate and flowers. Cue lots of horrified faces on Feb 14th.....

I also found a 'what is your yooniiiqe name' meme - but 'Scammy McScamster' wasn't on it, weirdly.....

John that meme gave me a chuckle!

ray I've now read one of the other threads and read your story, thank goodness youv'e got out of it when you did.

Has anyone else noticed what's happened over the longer term with their Bot's FB? My Bot was a lovely, happy woman pre-FL with a huge circle of friends. She had an active FB with a mixture of topics and lots of Likes and comments on her posts. Now 95% of it is FL stuff that she posts, and her original friends are absent.

When did these threads start?

Patzy suggested that8 months is the average time before they give up/run out of money.

How many pp have bots who have dropped out?

My bot has been with FL for just about a year. She shoved a catalogue in my face towards the end of 2014. I think she signed up in early 2015 because she sent me a recruitment text on the day she handed in her notice for her J.O.B. The recruitment text was so patronising that I'm still pissed off when I remember it!

I lost my friend to the cult about September last year , she still hasn't clicked that's it's a scam + she's thinks the big money is just round the corner .....🙄

How do they afford the big properties? Are they all being paid on the back of success days etc?

My FL bot has just moved into her "dream home", she's made out that it's a bought home but I know she is renting as when she commented on the 'To Let' post it appeared on my newsfeed

The market is definitely reaching saturation point. As you said the bots are being told to go global if they can. My bot has started recruiting in Scotland because forever is not as prevalent up there apparently. Let's hope the Scots are abit more savvy to the scam. Emma Cooper has started recruiting expats in Australia and Canada. The same spiel "I noticed you have moved abroad and want to spend more time with the kids and live a luxury lifestyle from your laptop" never mind poor hubby who will have to bend over backwards funding it.

Would that b Shingles ?

I'm in Scotland and believe me, every 2nd person and their dog is selling the FL stuff, well in my area anyway. A girl on my street became a rep, gave up her job and within a couple of months she was looking for work again. She is always bleeting on about C9 and eating healthy but I see her quite often passing my house with a family size bag of crisp and fizzy juice.

A bot from England once sent me a PM telling me about how well her FL journey was going then asked if I wanted more info.....what really annoyed me was she said "imagine how many florida holidays you could go on" I wasn't brave enough to point out I go on long haul holidays every year without the help of FL.

The same peak happened with the 'Amway' racket back in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when about 60 -70 thousands adherents were being churned in the UK annually. 'Amway' was particularly virulent in N. Ireland where, I've been told, even some ex-terrorists became involved. The current economic climate might be the explanation of 'FLP's' sudden explosion in the UK, but little or no insightful media coverage of 'MLM' as a form of cultic fraud, has appeared in the UK for many years.

The fact that 'MLM' racketeering has been tolerated by UK regulators and law enforcement agencies has made many corporate fronts for serious criminal enterprises appear to be legitimate businesses.

www.dsa.org.uk/dsa-membership/dsa-member-companies/?filter=all

The so-called 'UK Direct Selling Association' has claimed as many as half a million so-called 'Direct Sellers,' and 400 000 have been regularly claimed for the last several years. These misleading figures themselves, are just part of the fairy story. Each year, way more than 50% of so-called 'Direct Sellers' always give up. In some 'MLM' rackets, the hidden annual churn rates exceed 90%.

www.dsa.org.uk/about-the-dsa/what-is-direct-selling/

Although a number of 'MLM' rackets have opererated for decades in the UK, their bosses have largely succeeeded in maintaining their monopolies of information.

'Amway' survived what was described to me as the biggest civil investigation in UK regulatory history. Yet the regulators shot themselves in the foot after having been given a complete deconstruction of what had been occuring.

I've been observing the 'MLM' phenomenon for a long time now, and trying to raise public conciousness. Yet, these MN threads represent the first time that a significant number of common-sense British observers have all got together and confronted the scale of the problem. It also the first time that bots and 'MLM' propagandists haven't been unable to disrupt, or prevent, the public debate.

Correction: The last line of my previous comment should obviously have read

It also the first time that bots and 'MLM' propagandists have been unable to disrupt, or prevent, the public debate.

I see Coops Castle is hosting a party for 400 lemmings Eagles this weekend.
Thank goodness for public profiles on FB.
More fun than RHOBH.

I have to be careful now I'm following some FL bots. I keep thinking they're jokey posts from the Timeless Vie page!

Hello Dolly!
If I 'like' a timeless vie post will it come up on my timeline?
One of my bots is a friend and don't want to upset her..

Hi Sixty!
I don't think so as its a secret group
I actually a friend of one the bots now, I'm biding my time til I post something on her timeline!

timeless vie isn't a secret group. if you like a post or comment on it may appear in your friend's news feed

Where can we get up to date figures for fl turnover divided by number of bots, to get their annual income level?

I've heard the word "shill" a few times, is that another word for a poster girl?

yes teddy