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FL thread 2

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mortil2 · 04/07/2015 07:20

To follow on so to not lose what is such an interesting thread

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Peacheykeen · 20/07/2015 22:27

What LilyAlpha said ! My FLbot keeps on about leaving a legacy behind for her children. I know this isn't her talking as she's not the sharpest tool in the box. This thread started off as a bit of fun for me to vent my frustration lol but I've been opened up to the real sinister side of it all. Wow!

bettyberry · 20/07/2015 22:33

Just seen a post shared on FB from Kym marsh (yeah that one) with forever living products in it. It a public page so all can see. The comment are... Interesting.

Trinity. My only issue with younique was on seller pushing really hard to get a make up artist Friend to be a rep and flog it to her clients! It's not done in her profession. I did check the website. I must've missed it. Still, I have my brand and tend to stick to boots or lush for my cosmetics fix. Allergies and all that.

xenu1 · 20/07/2015 22:35

bettyberryt, thx for the images from pinterest.

Not sure I should post this... I'm male) but this one looked weird. Do women really want their lips to look like this?

It reminds me of an "after" pic from an oral porn flick :)

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MaryLennox84 · 20/07/2015 22:48

All I can tell you is that 1) the products have really helped me and I would never make a claim about it curing anything. 2) I have seen my sponsor's paystubs and the paystubs of people in my upline. Sometimes they post it online. 3) I've said I've barely made anything off of it, so I don't mind posting my paystubs. 4) I still don't get why MLMs are morally wrong or duping people, especially in the US when you don't have to pay anything to join, but whatever.

bettyberry · 20/07/2015 22:53

Xenu I am pretty sure that's photoshopped and from the ingredients no balm can make your lips look like that.

Best bit is any lip balm or even just a simple beeswax balm can do all those things so it's nothing special. I even have an unperfumed balm I use on the corks of my clarinet!

Hehe yes, I see what you mean too. Nah, that's just Photoshop and a ton of lipgloss and if it really was an after picture wouldn't it be messier? Hmm Shock ????

MaryLennox84 · 20/07/2015 22:58

I think it has a watermark on it.

bettyberry · 20/07/2015 23:01

Yes Mary Lennox I think it does have one on. Not sure where the picture is from but it's definitely not a balm.

lastuseraccount123 · 20/07/2015 23:05

hi mary, have you read the whole of both threads? there's a lot of info in both of them about why MLMs are not what they appear

lastuseraccount123 · 20/07/2015 23:07

fwiw Shikai borage therapy for my hands, MAC cosmetics and Aveeno tinted moisturizer have really helped me. Go normal skincare products!

MaryLennox84 · 20/07/2015 23:13

I have read both, yes and I think a lot of it is misinformation from people not part of FL or the fact that people are independent distributors and therefore can make up whatever stupid claims they want. I'm still not convinced it is for me, but I don't begrudge the people who are making it work.

lastuseraccount123 · 20/07/2015 23:26

Mary, the bottom line is FL's 'distributors" are selling the company's products. If the company can't control it's message, maybe it should stop using multiple distributors and encouraging people to add yet more distributors to their teams. Just a thought. Not hard. FL could flog their crap on Amazon like the other skincare companies and we'd all be able to read the reviews and make up our own minds about how allegedly great the products are.

But it doesn't. That to me speaks volumes. it's easy to blame the little people for stupid claims = that way you can keep believing FL is all that and a bag of chips. But IMo the buck stops with the company. If it's so ethical and amazing, it could crack down on distributors. But it can't cos it's an MLM and it needs FLbots to survive.

lastuseraccount123 · 20/07/2015 23:26

ps, about those paystubs. Care to share?

MaryLennox84 · 21/07/2015 00:11

To my knowledge FL does "fire" distributors who make false claims. I guess it is just hard to police it. You can also buy FL products via their website not via a distributor if you wanted to buy it and see for yourself as you said.

I have been pretty open about the fact that I have made less than £100, so why would I share my pay stub? And sharing someone else's pay stub seems a bit invasive.

foreverindenial · 21/07/2015 00:43

apparently if you recruit 5 people a month in FL you get paid a gaurenteed salary of £200 a month. Anyone know if this is true?

Also apparently if you get higher up then the success dayss are free!

MaryLennox84 · 21/07/2015 01:06

I would imagine if you recruited 5 people a month, you would make more than £200...probably about £500 as that would be 10cc.

lastuseraccount123 · 21/07/2015 03:56

Mary, you said FL was transparent about the income people earn. I said (having gone over the website) I didn't agree. You said you had paystubs. I asked you to show them. YOu don't want to, fine, but then you can't claim in the same breath that FL is transparent about how people earn.

We really only have your word for it what CC means and that you get paid at all. Not transparent, sorry. And this is important because the carrot of making mucho dinero is what draws people in. Again, let Fl state what an average distributor makes in the UK, in public, on it's website, and let people decide for themselves from facts not hyperbole and BS.

It's really not much to ask - not for a company that doesn't have anything to hide.

lastuseraccount123 · 21/07/2015 03:57

Mary, can you show us an example of FL firing a distributor for making false claims? Please feel free to share.

FanFuckingTastic · 21/07/2015 04:54

Here you are!

lazycoo · 21/07/2015 07:12

mary you say you don't begrudge the FLbots making it work for them.

To 'make it work', distributors need to basically con people into parting with cash with tall tales of a viable business (setting aside tales of riches which you say you've not been given)? Are you ok with that... Really? Can you give more details of free joining? Did you join for free? What do you get for that? I assume it's there as an option but strongly discouraged as you would get fewer points and be on a lower scale.

You prefer the stories of your upline - understandable, you've met them, we are just pixels, but we don't stand to make a penny from you. Are you sure it's 'misinformation' even though there's a large number of us, otherwise strangers, coming together with the same stories and experiences?

Know that it's not your lack of guts, intelligence, sales ability or 'hard work' that will cause you to stop - it's the way the system is designed.

Really interested to learn more about the distributors fired by FL.

lazycoo · 21/07/2015 07:57

Talcum did your bot ever come back to you after you replied?

Eyespying · 21/07/2015 08:31

lazycoo & lastuseraccount123 'MLM' cults are self-perpetuating non-rational, or esoteric, ritual ritual belief systems instigated for the clandestine purpose of human exploitation. This means that 'MLM' cults are criminogenic by nature, i.e. they produce crime and are the product of crime. Once you understand this, you understand that every move that 'MLM' cult bosses make, fits into an overall pattern, and that no aspect of 'MLM' cultism should ever be examined in isolation.

For obvious reasons, 'MLM' racketeers only excommunicate adherents when their front companies come under external investigation.

Last year, the 'Herbalife' mob admitted that around 650 adherents had been 'terminated' for making various false claims which broke the organization's (previously unenforced) 'rules' and 'code of ethics'. Prior to this, a number of 'Herbalife' under-bosses had been 'terminated' for peddling 'leads' and 'lead generation systems.' However, one 'Herbalife' boss, John Peterson, who for many years had been deeply-involved with the 'leads' racket (but who apparently couldn't be 'terminated') was found dead in his pickup truck with a bullet in his head. Apparently, this was suicide, but it was in the financial interests of literally hundreds of 'MLM' racketeers, for any crimlinal investigation of Peterson to be prevented.

After 'Herbalife' came under federal investigation, predictably, the organization's bosses pretended affinity with federal and State law enforcement agencies and suddenly created their very own 'member compliance Dept.' (effectively their own police force) to monitor adherents. A former US Federal Trade Commisioner, Pamela Jones Harbour, was coopted (with stolen cash) to head this latest reality-inverting chapter of the 'Herbalife' fairy story. Ms. Jones Harbour even issued absurd statements claiming that she was a regular customer of 'Herbalife' products

Laughably, the 'Herbalife' board of directors is infested with shills who have made fortunes out of peddling 'leads.' They have also made countless outrageous false medicinal claims about 'Herbalife' wampum and have presented the so-called 'income opportunity' as a passport to Paradise. Like John Peterson, these 'Herbalife' crime bosses cannot be excommunicated.

If ever the 'FLP' racket comes under external investigation, i will guarantee that the same obstructive tactics will be followed.

fishboneschokus · 21/07/2015 08:49

Ok, not John Sweeney.

Louis Theroux?
He's doing a thing about Scientology atm. Mum would flow.

fishboneschokus · 21/07/2015 08:52

Eye. I appreciate your expertise. I also appreciate the contributions from pp who are involved in mlms and I wouldn't like anyone to be put off posting.
:)

Eyespying · 21/07/2015 08:57

fisboneschokus - Did you see the link which I previously posted to a new 'MLM' documentary film which is still in production. Until now, no filmaker has ever traced the tragicomic history of the 'MLM' lie.

www.manontopfilm.com/#trailer

Louis Theroux has just moved to the USA

MaryLennox84 · 21/07/2015 09:01

You say it is "not misinformation" but how many of you, aside from trinity, have worked for FL or a MLM company? None. All many of you have is your stories of being hounded (which sucks) by people you know or going to BPs where you felt you were being sold a lifestyle. None of you have joined.

There is no free option in the UK, but there is a free option in the US. This is because there is some trading law in the UK that makes it impossible to join for free, but I am not sure why. People have been very transparent about the fact that it is free to join in the US and I have signed people up in the US for free. You don't really want "just anybody" on your team, which is also something we speak about. You want someone who actually puts the work in.

I feel they have been transparent about pay to me, but I am not going to post someone else's paystubs. I wouldn't post my boss' paystubs on here from work just to "prove" something to you. I have been transparent about what I have made and have been pretty open about the fact that we haven't done much with it and haven't made much. Do I have to show you a paystub for that?!

I have heard that people have had their contracts terminated, but I don't have anything in writing.

Interestingly, this is on the contract to join Forever, "It is illegal for a promoter or a participant in a trading scheme to persuade anyone to make a payment by promising benefits from getting others to join the scheme
Do not be misled by claims that high earnings are easily achieved"

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