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FL thread 2

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mortil2 · 04/07/2015 07:20

To follow on so to not lose what is such an interesting thread

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Thistledew · 05/08/2015 16:53

I saw a corker of a FL bot the other day on FB - I will try to find a link to it but it was something a friend had liked so not a clear link on my newsfeed.

It was a video of a woman with two glasses of water, into each she poured some iodine, turning this water brown. This was to "Represent all the toxins and nasty things that get put into our bodies from the environment and from bad diets".

She poured a capful of an aloe drink from a unspecified company into one, which had no effect on the appearance of the iodine water. This was apparently because the "aloe is not pure and is not a good quality". She then poured a capful of FL aloe into the other glass, whereupon the water turned clear. This apparently showed, and I quote that "FL aloe is far better at getting rid of the toxins in your body. As you can see they have all gone".

ShockConfusedShockConfusedHmm

I did a bit of googling to find an explanation that actually makes sense in logic and science, and found a suggestion that it is in fact the sodium benzoate, which is a preservative used in the FL aloe that reacts with the iodine to form a clear liquid.

I wish that the video was some sort of spoof, but I think it was intended to be genuine. I just wonder who promoted this as a good demonstration to do. It would take someone within a reasonable amount of scientific knowledge to come up with the idea, and that person must have known that the demonstration did not in any way represent what it was purporting to do. They must have known that it was deliberately deceitful.

Eyespying · 05/08/2015 22:18

Thistledew These miraculous 'FLP' demonstrations are duplicated all over the world.

www.youtube.com/results?search_query=FLP+demonstration
www.youtube.com/results?search_query=forever+living+demo

Some of them remind me of 'Carry On' films.

KenDoddsDadsDog · 06/08/2015 13:51

Today's is a cracker

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Stitchintime1 · 06/08/2015 15:43

Wonderful!

Toobusytowee · 06/08/2015 22:21

A bit of googling shows those quotes aren't to be trusted. Apparently Clinton said 'direct selling' not 'network marketing', his words were changed.

Gates' quote was actually made by Trump.

Trump has his own MLM so I wouldn't trust his opinions on it.

Eyespying · 06/08/2015 23:12

Although Donald Trump appears to be a ridiculous clown, he is a demonstrably dangerous individual. Mr. Trump has been the pitch man for the blame-the victim 'MLM income opportunity/Prosperity Gospel' racket known as 'All Communications Network' or 'ACN,' since 2006.

mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.fr/2015/07/donald-trump-fronts-acn-mlm-racket.html

mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.fr/2015/08/donald-trump-fronts-acn-cult-secte-in.html

It's interesting to note that Mr. Trump is widely-quoted as saying he 'would get into network marketing' which is exactly what he has done by becoming one of the insignificant minority of racketeers peddling a 'step-by-step plan' to achieve a (non-existent) future Utopia, not one of the overwhelming majority of ill-informed victims whom his ambiguous statement was evidently designed to defraud.

Annie65 · 07/08/2015 08:06

Utopia scares the hell out of me. You will only be accepted if you obey the rules and toe the line. If you dare to have a mind of your own, think for yourself, ask questions,then there is no room for you in this place. You will be ignored and ostracised. We have free will for a reason, it might not be a perfect world but I know where I would rather live.

Eyespying · 07/08/2015 08:46

Annie65 - I have to say that, the more kitsch and whacky cults appear to be, the more they scare me, because most people will refuse to accept the horror that is lurking behind them.

It just doesn't seem possible that an absurd organization peddling 'Aloe Vera' can pose a danger to democracy and the rule of law?

For 60+ years, because he seemed so kitsch and whacky, most casual observers just couldn't imagine what Jimmy Savile was really doing. He has lately been described as the sexual abuser who groomed a nation, but 'MLM' bosses, and their criminal associates, are the psychological and financial abusers who have groomed almost the entire world. Furthermore, they too have been getting away with countless crimes for 60+ years.

When I have previously tried to explain on this forum that, apart from their external 'compassionate capitalist' camouflage, 'MLM' cults are essentailly no different to any other abusive totalitarian movements (all of which have enslaved their core-adherents with a Utopian fairy story), I have been met with a blanket dismissal by certain members, but tellingly, no one has refuted my overall analysis.

Annie65 · 07/08/2015 09:31

I have got to admit before my sil got involved with fl, I had no idea of the cults within Mlms. I have always been very wary of "cults", seeing them as relegious beliefs and racism beliefs. I have never liked the hand waving and chanting, almost like they are hypnotised. This has really opened my eyes and I admit I am quite obsessed with it all.while I find some aspects of fl funny,I also find it has a very dark side, which I find fascinating and frightening.

Eyespying · 07/08/2015 11:50

Annie65 I think you have had the classic reaction of many people, when confronted with a loved-one lured into a cult. I got to my 30s, before I was confronted by well-educated family members under the influence of an 'MLM' cult. Until that time, I would have vehemently denied that it was possible for a cult to ensnare my relatives and have them spouting scripted comic-book drivel as though it was the only reality.

It's funny, but it's not at all funny at the same time.

Your intellectual curiosity (and common sense) in the face of this disturbing phenomenon, is admirable.

It's not so much an obsession with finding out how cults function, as an overwhelming feeling that this is such a dangerous, and common, problem, that it ought to be far more widely-understood.

Annie65 · 07/08/2015 22:00

Im really annoyed with my sil at the moment. She has a stall at a charity do tomorrow. She has advertised the charity, then blatantly mentions the aloe vera she is selling on her stall, oops sorry, not selling, just recruiting. She is offering free samples and offering advice about the crap. Im really angry about this as I know she is using the charity in question for her and her upliners (who is attending) own use. Its just not like her at all. She hasnt been to bad about fl, only mentioning it now and again, but I think she is upping her game now. Will just have to wait and see what happens, just be there for her when she hopefully comes to her senses.

lazycoo · 08/08/2015 20:36

Still reading this thread with interest. I met my good friend who was conned by Herbalife on Thursday. His trusting nature is being taken advantage of again by his current employers. He's peddling The Secret and believes he will be a millionaire before he is 40 (on a job making him £18k without raises or stock options on the horizon). I had to press to ensure he wasn't in another MLM...

Eyespying · 09/08/2015 09:09

lazycoo 'Self-betterment' gurus, and their comic books, are everywhere these days, despite the fact that their very-existence flies in the face of elementary common-sense. In my experience, the minority of people with the ability to make big money from commerce, invariably are ruthless and secretive, and prefer not to divulge the full truth about their business tactics even to their own children.

'Self-betterment' gurus are no different to 'astrologers, mediums, faith healers' etc. They are simply reflecting the existing beliefs and instinctual desires of a very large group of vulnerable people.

Significantly, virtually every person I know who has tried to warn the world about 'MLM' rackets on the Net, has received numerous pathetic comments from aimless victims, reluctantly accepting that 'MLM' is a scam, but wanting to know what else they can do to become rich and successful.

In other words 'MLM' victims are perfect targets to be cheated again by other charlatans pretending to have access to a 'secret knowledge that can enable anyone to fulfill their dreams.'

xenu1 · 09/08/2015 12:45

Wrt "Case Credits" ("CCs"). This is one of the many official training videos which shows the pressure on FLbots to consume the cults products.

A CC is £141 wholesale or £200 "retail". So for 4CCs a rep needs to buy £564 EVERY month from FL. That's £5k per annum cost right there. Note the mention of the cost of trainings too.
At 5mins 20s the stress in on personal use, again, again, again

LilyAlpha · 09/08/2015 16:14

Bloody hell, Xenu! I didn't realise a CC was that expensive Shock . What a cheek that the privilege paid by FLbots, to prop up this whole diabolical sham, is so ridiculously extortionate.

Annie65 · 09/08/2015 17:30

So, if Ive understood that video, is she encouraging people to buy 10 cc's for their own personal use? Which adds upto about £1,410.00, so they can get upto manager position? Have I understood that right? Hmm

Eyespying · 09/08/2015 18:19

These are classic 'MLM' cult tactics, again copied from 'Amway.'

There have been various 'Amway' wampum products, and kits, priced so that their purchase would automatically qualify adherents to rise to the key level once known as 'Direct Distributor' and more lately as 'Saphire'.

For years, 'Amway Queen Cookware' was the set of banal steel pans priced at around $1000 and presented as though it had special properties to save energy and make your food more tasty and healthy.

This same unlawful investment-laundering wampum, is now called 'iCook Executive Chef, ' and is peddled to the ambitious 'Amway' faithful, at a jaw-dropping $1506 per set.

www.amway.com/NOJE/Shop/Product/ProductDetailPrintPreview.aspx?itemno=101093&in=1&mi=1&ri=1&rnr=1&apf=1&aprc=1&ihc=0&ici=1&pt=1&ci=1

No one with fully-functioning critical, and evaluative, faculties, would want to buy this.

Banal domestic-quality steel cookware , is literally sold by the kilo in European supermarkets.

xenu1 · 09/08/2015 19:40

Annie65. She is encouraging (ordering?) FLBots to use as much personal CC as possible. She doesn't quite say that all reps should do 4CC personal but at 13.30 she talks about how her own leaders hit 10CC "personal". That's £1.5k per month to FL. No wonder they'll "promote" you and spring for a trip to Mexico if you do this for a year!

LilyAlpha · 09/08/2015 20:21

Does anyone actually need 27 pots? Realistically, u would probably only ever use 4 out of the set.

Eyespying · 09/08/2015 21:01

LilyAlpha Those oh so lucky Ambots get around a dozen shiny pans for their 1500 bucks (the 27 piece description, includes all the lids and extra bits).

If you look on Amazon, retail prices in the USA for domestic average-quality steel pan sets, are a tiny fraction of what 'Amway' has charged, because on the open market, the retail sale of these traditional goods is based only on value and demand, but in the 'Amway closed market, it's been based on the false-expectation of future reward.

www.amazon.com/Maxware-Stainless-Steel-Cookware-Sliver/dp/B012X2QKGA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_229_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0GWFT0B347NSQFVSEHNF
www.amazon.com/dp/B012X2QJR0?psc=1

Tellingly, even professional high-quality steel pan sets, are much cheaper than the inferior 'Amway' wampum sets.

www.amazon.com/dp/B00GBUQXRW?psc=1

LilyAlpha · 10/08/2015 10:30

Yes, agreed. £1500 is a stupendous amount for a dozen pots & pans of standard quality. Without the 'false expectation', u speak of, which compels bots to part with their money, nobody in their right mind would be ripped-off, like that.

Eyespying · 10/08/2015 11:16

LilyAlpha This is the absurdly-obvious money-laundering trick that lies at the heart of all 'MLM' rackets, which you have fully-understood, but which generations of regulators (and law enforcement agents) have apparently never fully-understood, or wanted to understand.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time (with the notable exception of the many dunces with law diplomas who have temporarily held-down low-paid jobs at government regulatory agencies like the US FTC).

No matter what 'MLM' racketeers, and their well-paid-sophists (often former government regulators) might pretend, the quantifiable evidence (and common-sense) demonstrates that for 60+ years countless millions of transient 'MLM' adherents have been deceived into handing over their cash each month, and attempting to recruit others to do the same, in the false expectation of future reward. The effectively-unsaleable 'MLM' wampum products and services they have received in return, have been just a means of laundering billions and billions of dollars of unlawful losing-investment payments into hundreds of copy-cat closed-market swindles or pyramid scams, all based on the crackpot pseudo-economic theory that endless recruitment + endless payments by the recruits = endless profits for the recruits.

If criminogenic cultic groups like 'Amway' and 'FLP' gave their adherents counterfeit bonds (offering future profits based on the same crackpot pseudo-economic theory), instead of over-priced, but cheaply-procured, pots, pans, pills, potions, etc., in exchange for their monthly (losing) investment payments, then what has been occurring, would be even more obvious.

Annie65 · 10/08/2015 15:07

The Flbots are now being conned into buying pro-planners for £18 for 2015 or £30 for 2016. They are just glorified work planners/diaries you can get for about £3. I just think they work hard for what money they do get, you would think they would like to keep hold of it a bit longer.

Eyespying · 10/08/2015 15:48

Annie65 Typically, in 'MLM' rackets, adherents are obliged to buy what are effectively toys from the group, to play their game of 'commercial' make-believe.

Anything that authentic business owners might use, 'MLM' fake business owners can also buy, but at exhorbitant fixed-prices and with the racket's commercial camouflage stamped all over it. I think you will find that in many 'MLM' cults, adherents are issued with a limited supply of the groups let's pretend 'we're in business' toys, when they sign up, but after that, they are contractually obliged to keep buying these; particularly the ones marked 'order, and receipt, books,' and the like.

'Amway' has even sold sombre business suits and ties to its male adherents so they could dress up and look just like real grown-up businessmen.

TalcumMucker · 10/08/2015 15:54

Xenu that video! Shock Shes really advocating that they buy their way to the top, isn't she?! Spend your own money to get yourself to manager position?

Let me see if this is right, they need 4CCs per month to be manager. And that needs to happen every month to stay manager, right? So when they'd are declaring that their income is 'willable' to their child (which I didn't even know was a word) then would their child need to also generate 4CCs per month? Is the 'willable' thing just ensnaring the next generation into FL? (assuming the whole thing hasn't collapsed by then)