FL thread 2

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To follow on so to not lose what is such an interesting thread

talcum no after photo. who wouldn't want green teeth?

lastuseraccount123 - You've got it!

In the end it's just a question of looking beyond the BS and applying basic common-sense.

All this mind-numbing mathematical mystification and endless jargon, is designed to short-circuit critical, and evaluative, faculties and distract 'MLM' victims, and casual observers (particularly, regulators and journalists), from a far more simple truth.

Due to many factors (not least exorbitant fixed prices and banal quality) 'MLM' adherents can't regularly retail 'MLM' products to the general public for a profit.

On the contrary, 'MLM' adherents are obliged regularly to buy the products themselves, and attempt to recruit others to duplicate the same economically incestuous system, ad infinitum. The 'MLM' companies launder all payments made by their contractees as 'retail sales' by giving their contractees effectively-unsaleable commodities in return.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, 'MLM retail sales' have really been losing investment payments in classic dissimulated pyramid scams, because they were not based on value and demand, they were based on the false expectation of future reward.

Someone on my FB page seems to be cleaning out her drain with the same stuff she is drinking.

I really want this smiley to have green teeth now!

Oh I do love this thread! In regards to the mascara I'm a YSL girl but FLBot gave me some Sonya to try and I told her I've had better results from a 4.99 Rimmel one she got very stampy footy stroppy about it. Apparently everybody else has switched from Lancome to Sonya. " It's Aloe infused" ..... Yes love it was also overpriced shit

It's supposed to be complicated.bif you don't fully understand it, then it must be special. Nope. Other businesses manage to work in € £ $ etc without paying their workers in tokens.

no updates. FUCK MY LIIIIFE

someone, share what their bots are up to. i need my fix. Please!!

ha @ talcummucker. could we request that of Mumsnet? A special MLM bot smilie? hahaha

Have a poorly DD so just read through quickly ... re PRS is means personal retail sales.

If you had sold a mascara is US$, a BB cream in CAN$ and a set in AUS$, you need one unit to calculate your PRS in. The problem with just saying $125 is the multiple markets using $ and that's confusing. I'm not saying it's easy but it's not hard either.

And we're not paid in tokens, we're paid in £

Eye - as I've previously stated, 90% of my sales have been to other people and I hold no stock. Younique is MLM but not all MLM follow all of your rules, in my experience.

but trinity other international companies manage to have websites and set ups that work for the country they are trading in. I don't buy it.

I don't understand why they can't translate USD prices into UKP prices and just do 30% of the UKP price. We have exchange rates now after all. It doesn't make any sense.

Are other people getting forever living adverts on their facebook suggested video feeds?
I got this Classic this morning:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYqhAV4uSw

The classic, I had nothing, now I'm on a six figure salary! (Not the typical forever living journey, as we know)

lastuseraccount123 - You are spot on again.

The apparently pointless 'Points Value (PV)' system can be traced all the way back through 'Amway' to the 'Nutrilite' original in the early 1950s. This typically mind-numbing, and time wasting, pseudo-economic procedure has been copied by virtually all 'MLM' cultic racketeers.

The familiar claim that any 'MLM' adherent has made the overwhelming majority of his/her declared 'sales' to 'other people,' is essentially meaningless, unless you know exactly who these 'other people' were - i.e. contractees of the 'MLM' company, and/or persons enjoying relationships (based on love and trust) with the contractees, or members of the general public.

When examining any alleged lawful 'direct sales scheme,' unless quantifiable evidence can be produced to prove that it has had a significant, and sustainable, revenue deriving from sources other than its own participants, then it's a dissimulated closed-market swindle, or pyramid scam, based on endless-chain recruitment.

lastuser we're at cross purposes here.

For PRS (which is only used for keeping active and for calculating which level you're paid at) it's a points system based on the US$ price.

For commission, it's 20-30% in the local currency.

There's no conspiracy there

eye as I have previously said (and I am not saying it again), my sales are NOT to friends and family.

They are contacts from parenting forums, work colleagues, random strangers (people I have engaged with through forums and beauty / make up groups, have read my blog, friends of those who had online parties). All networking, NO FAMILY!

My FLbot has spent today with her team and at a training event and ends her fb post asking "What better way to spend a Sunday?".

Waiting for someone to dare to post "er....how about with your family?" seeing as she's claiming that by #sackingtheboss she can spend more time with her children !

trinity you're right we're at cross-purposes.

My point was that the FL website for the UK doesn't show how much participants make in actual UK pounds less business expenses - instead it shows how much they made in PRS points. That's pretty opaque imo. I understand you get your commission in pounds, as you should, but why can't the website be transparent and show how much people actually make in pounds. that is all.

As the various members of this forum have observed, the Internet is alive with 'MLM' recruiters.

Elementary common-sense reveals that (due to their exorbitant fixed prices and banal quality) it has been effectively-impossible regularly to retail 'MLM' products for a profit to members of the general public (based on value and demand). This is why (from all rational points of view) the 'MLM' products might as well not exist, and why all 'MLM' rackets have offered commission payments on purchases made by their contractees, and on the purchases made by the recruits of their contractees, etc. ad infinitum.

Thus, in the overwhelming majority of cases, 'MLM sales' have actually been losing investment payments (based on the false expectation of future reward) laundered as 'sales.'

The mysterous 'other people' whom trinitybleu has previously claimed to be making 'sales' to, have now become 'contacts from parenting forums, work colleagues, random strangers (people I have engaged with through forums and beauty / make up groups, have read my blog, friends of those who had online parties). All networking, NO FAMILY!'

Interestingly, trinitybleu is not claiming that the majority of 'Younique's' claimed 'sale's' have been to persons who have not been under contract to 'Younique.'

eyespy fwiw i believe what trinity says about her customers.

eye "now become"? I believe I talked about my customer base about 4 days ago. Nothing has changed.

That's right, nothing has changed, because MN members have still not been offered a verifiable explanation as to exactly what percentage (by value) of trinitybleu's claimed 'sales' have been to persons who have not been under contract to 'Younique.'

This is hardly surprising, because no 'MLM' company has ever voluntarily offered a verifible explanation as to exactly what percentage (by value) of its claimed 'sales' have been to persons who have not been under contract to it; whilst the standard (take it or leave it contracts) of 'MLM' companies have always forbidden (on pain of suspension) their contractees from making public statements about their 'MLM' activity (without prior approval of the company).

All these matters are what are currently being investigated by a pack of federal, and state, law enforcement agents with regard to 'Herbalife,' but only because 'Herbalife' is a publicly traded company.

The bosses of 'Herbalife' have finally been forced to admit that the overwhelming majority of their company's sales have always been to persons temporarily under contract to the company. However, now they claim that all these millions of people signed up with 'Herbalife' merely to buy the products at a discount and that they never had the slightest expectation of making a profit.

Yes they have! I said 90% ... you're being obtuse on purpose now.

By their very nature, anecdotal statements from anonymous persons cannot be verified.

What can, however, be verified, are the self-evident truths that:

• Due to many factors (not least their exorbitant fixed prices), 'MLM' products have been effectively-unsaleable on the open market.

• Countless millions of 'MLM' adherents have been offered illusory financial rewards if they surrender their critical faculties and regularly purchase exorbitantly-priced 'MLM' products, and recruit others to do the same, etc. ad infinitum.

Strangely, when initially challenged in December 2012, Michael Johnson (the CEO of 'Herbalife') insisted on CNBC that 'more than 90% of Herbalife sales' were to persons who were not under contract to 'Herbalife.'

A couple of days later (no doubt after consulting with attorneys), Johnson claimed to have 'mispoke in the heat of the moment.'