I've been sucked into forever living!! Why do I feel like the bad guy?

[KindergartenKop]

Recently an acquaintance emailed me to ask if I could 'help' her by trying a few products and giving her some feedback. Being the nice person I am I agreed. When the bag of samples turned up the penny dropped and i realised that she's trying to sell them to me (I'm naive I know!). I thought id just buy a little bubble bath. Its fucking 14 quid! No way. I'm sending the bag back and pleading eczema. Does this whole company operate by guilting friends and family into purchasing crap quality at ridic prices?

I watched the Emma cooper and husband one too Jossy, in fact that one was all over my facebook couple of months ago, v popular one with my FL bots, apparently it had them in tears?! It's so mercenary and money driven, it's awful.

Yes lots of pics from the HQ in warwick last night family garden party. My FL bot was wearing her Manager Sash with pride and boasting how she will never have to work Ever again now she is manager ( she has only ever had one job before in a well known fast food sandwich shop) I don't see how anybody can actually say in their mid twenties that they will have a guaranteed income of at least £2,000 a month for life. She's always been boastful anyway and a bit of a rough and gobby chav but FL has made her unbearable.

Bonvydazzler - This sadly deluded woman clearly states that 'in Forever Living we get paid for making new friends' (i.e. recruiting).

Promoting a scheme in which rewards are offered for bringing new contributing recruits into the scheme ad infinitum, is illegal under existing UK trading schemes and lotteries legislation. It is, in fact, a criminal offence in the UK to promote such an economically-unviable, closed money circulation sheme. Conviction carries a custodial sentence.

Unfortunately, before a criminal inquiry can be launched, sufficient complaints would need to be received.

Thus, in order to prevent victims from complaining, the bosses of groups like 'FLP' have done all they can to silence all potential complaint - hiding in plain sight and making it appear to victims that 'Multi Level Marketing' is ethical, innocent and legal.

Under the present toothless and long-winded sytem, 'FLP' UK would first need to be closed-down by UK government civil regulators by filing a public interest bankruptcy petition in the High Court requesting that the company repay all gains previously obtained illegally. This would make the company's liabilities exeed its assets and force bankruptcy and compulsary closure.

'FLP' is one of numerous essentially-identical corporate structures in the UK (many of which are American controlled and enjoying political protection in the USA) that have all been fronting the essentially-identical frauds. With the exception of 'Amway UK Ltd,' UK regulators have ignored all these corporate structures, even though (in private) senior UK regulators freely-accept that they are highly-organized frauds removing billions of dollars from the vulnerable citizens of hundreds of countries all over the globe.

Fraud (a form of theft) is essentially defined in the UK as lying to, or withholding key-information from, people in order to take their property or money.

Ironically, the key-information which has been withheld from all the many millions of persons who have signed up for, but subsequently left, FLP since its instigation, is the overall number of persons who have signed up for, but subsequently left FLP, since its instigation, along with the percentage of all these many milions of persons who have generated an overall net-profit from the operation of a so-called 'FLP business.'

Other than the insignificant minority of deluded shills at the top of the ever-shifting 'FLP' pyramid, in reality, the hidden, ongoing overall churn/insolvency rate for so-called 'FLP businesses,' has been effectively 100%.

Anyone claiming, or implying, that it possible for the average person to generate an overall net income from participating in 'FLP,' is, therefore, not telling the truth.

Thanks for your posts Eyespying I'm finding them very insightful.

Peacheykeen - Thanks, I could add a lot more, but when I do, other members complain (and/or accuse me of being: a 'conspiracy theorist, obsessed, on a crusade,' etc.), and the debate gets diverted. In reality, all I've done is carefully study, and formulate, what is a widely-misunderstood phenomenon.

Briefly (especially for you and other interested MN members) - Core-victims of criminogenic cultic groups like 'FLP' have been subjected to devious co-ordinated techniques of social, psychological and physical persuasion designed to shut down their critical and evaluative faculties in order to exploit them and prevent them from facing reality.

By their very nature, these techniques are always inflicted without their subjects' fully-informed consent.

In groups like 'FLP,' these techniques constitute a form of mass psychological experiment in which countless persons have been pushed into a dangerously delusional state akin to a gambling, or drug, addiction.

Dissimulated psychological experiments (individual or group) are, in fact, absolutely banned by the 'Nuremberg Code,' of which the UK is a signatory.

www.hhs.gov/ohrp/archive/nurcode.html

When this rational evidence-based analysis has been calmly put forward by me on other forums in which 'MLM' propagandists dominate, their predictable reaction has been to cackle with laughter and pretend that I'm another David Icke.

Bovnydazzler - By the way, Emma Cooper and her partner, were both serving UK police officers when they were recruited into the 'FLP' arcket. This means that they both made written applications to the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester, in order to obtain permission to participate in FLP - which they will have falsely depicted in their applications as a lawful enterprise.

(All serving UK police officers are obliged, without exception, to seek the permission of their Chief Constables to participate in any other part-time employment or business)

I other words Emma Cooper, and her partner, deceived the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester. That said they didn't actually lie to their Chief Constable, because they were acting under a delusion themselves.

Senior officers in the Greater Manchester Police have been made aware of these serious matters, but as far as I'm aware, no action has been taken.

It seems there is a major event in London this weekend so expect some updates!!!!

I nearly got sucked into HerbalLife a few years ago, quite unwittingly.

I owned and ran a busy private medical clinic, with thousands of patients. Every couple of months a man would phone up - he was very familiar with me, told me he was following up on a conversation we had had about supplemental vitamins and their health benefits. Honestly, I couldn't recall that conversation but being polite and assuming we had met and I'd forgotten, I believed him.

Every time he phoned he wanted me to attend an information evening on supplements. I put him off for a year or two but eventually I said yes because I understood it to be a lecture on a particular vitamin. Plus I was fed up of the phone calls.

We met outside a hotel for the info evening and it was obvious to me I'd never met him before. When we got inside I realised the evening was put on to recruit new members. The entire evening I felt like a rabbit in the headlights while the desperate zombie herbal life bots tried to recruit me. It was creepy.

It was an unplesant evening made worse by his ongoing persistance afterwards. In the end I could only make myself totally unavailable to him.

MerdeAlor - Might I ask, are you aware that the 'Herbalife' racket is currently under FBI, FTC and SEC investigation in the USA, and that more and more destitute and confused victims are slowly coming forward to state Attorneys General all over America?

I'm curious to know what you know of these developments in the USA, because, other than the odd mention (usually in the financial press), the UK media has universally ignored the evolving 'Herbalife' tragicomedy.

To make matters worse, another English spoting icon is soon going to be promoting 'Herbalife' (and that has been reported).

mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.fr/2015/05/englands-own-steven-gerrrard-co-opted.html

Yes I am somewhat aware of their history, mainly through this thread and doing my own research, so I knew they were under investigation in the US.

In the UK, as you say - they exist mainly under the radar of the masses. Certainly I haven't heard them mentioned by anyone I know.
Herbal life seems more covert, more adept at hiding their status. Like I said - creepy.

Not surprised by confused and destitute people coming forward, it's terribly sad and as you can attest affects people around them, financially and emotionally.
As with all these schemes, it preys on the vulnerable. They invest money they probably won't get back but continue because they are neck deep in it.

I realise I am jumping in late, but this is so interesting. Recently a chum from the schoolgates said she'd really like to talk to me about something interesting. I politely agreed, while sensing danger. Then of course the spiel about this great range of products, how good they are, my eczema would react most positively etc etc. Gave me a brochure. A few days later I was desperate for someone to childcare for 1/2 a day as I'd forgotten the inset day. She said she'd do it no problem, if only I would buy a bottle of body lotion (at £20). I agreed in principle, but in the intervening time grew a backbone and just told her I'd rather pay £20 upfront for the childcare. It was awkward as I know she is facing hardship but I just don't believe in the products. A bottle of Aveeno does me fine and costs 1/3 the price. They obviously prime their agents to use a mixture of flattery, the promise of access to exclusive products, and frankly guilt trip potential customers.

And eyespying what you say rings true to me, you don't sound like a David Icke at all.

I agree with those upthread who say they have a morbid fascination with watching these MLMs in action. In addition to my FLbot I'm now FB stalking a few extra FL 'business' pages!

Today's words of inspiration: Everything you've ever dreamt of is the other side of fear...

MerdeAlor - My research revealed that 'Herbalife' was introduced into Germany in the 1990s by 'Scientologists,' and that 'Herbalife' products were once almost universally foisted onto 'Scientology' recruits in various European countries. A Belgian journalist published a book in which he explained that questions even began to be asked back in the 1990s by some European politicians about whether 'Herbalife' might really be part of 'Scientology.'

Lately, a 'Scientology'-style attack video has been posted on the Net, attempting to character assassinate Bill Ackman (the Hedge Fund Manager who has bet $1.2 billion that 'Herbalife' is a fraud). This video features Tim Sales, a 'Scientologist' and serial shill for various 'MLM' rackets.

Sales (who is a former US Navy Seal and a member of Veterans associations) has lately specialized in recruiting traumatized Gulf War Veterans into the 'MLM' racket known as 'ARIIX'. Such vulnerable 'prospects' have government pensions, and they make perfect targets.

If scentiology is involved it will be totally unethical - guaranteed. Those people are whack.

OK, botwatch update 2015: mine is apparently building a global empire, and she's changed her page's name and posted a picture of a planet to make sure everyone understands she's taking this opportunity global, baby.

PS. if you watch tv you can build a business online! contact FLbot for more information on this amazing lie opportunity!

oh, and she's lost 6 likes.

Why is she stopping at global lastuser when there is an entire universe to go at? I am sure inhabitants of other planets have similar work life balance problems as we earthlings. #dreambig

I sort of want to go to a recruitment event now.

Jossygiants - 'Why is she stopping at global lastuser when there is an entire universe to go at? I am sure inhabitants of other planets have similar work life balance problems as we earthlings. #dreambig'

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Many a true word is spoken in jest (well I presume you were joking).

FL was instigated, as is controlled, by 'Mormons.'

'Mormon cosmology' teaches that the Earth is not unique, but that it is one of many inhabited planets, each planet created for the purpose of bringing about the "immortality and eternal life" (i.e., the exaltation) of humanity.

Not strictly FB but my neighbour is a 'member' of utility warehouse.

Every single time I see her, which is twice a day most days, she makes a bee line through the bushes, telling me how I can save thousands each year on utilities... blah blah. She reminds me of an American 60's housewife jacked up on xanax and speed. Her smile, jesus, her smile gives me shivers. It's all wide eyed and crazy.

Every time I tell her I'm not interested and every time she sells me the same old story and tries to recruit me. It all came to a head last Christmas when she started putting slips of paper with her details on under everybody's door; I got four on different days.. four. I feel sorry for the poor woman as I reckon she was a bit strapped for cash and needed to make a Christmas target but oh my god, leave me the fuck alone!

MuffMuff if you do you have to update us all on how it went

I'd probably come back a full on bot and married to Natalie Heeley.

that's okay, just share us the link to your FB page and we can all be entertained by your insane Bot-up-dates

I haven't got any FLobots on my FB so I've just been stalking a random one who doesn't have any privacy settings She has used the hashtag #fearlessfem. Haha!