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First Pregnancy Missed Miscarriage (Part 4)

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Kiki061190 · 08/08/2019 07:53

Hi ladies!

Our previous thread is now full so I’ve made a new one 😘

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zoomies1 · 11/09/2019 07:56

Hi All.

I haven’t caught up with all of your messages but just wanted to reply to @MrsMGE. This probably won’t help but just know that you’re not alone. I’m right here with you and feeling the same. It’s my due date in 5 days and not a sniff of a BFP and no help to be had from anywhere. It’s frustrating to have so little control so just allow yourself to feel bad for a while.

It’s a horrible situation to not know what’s going on and therefore not understand why it’s not happening when you are doing everything you can. And when you don’t have anyone in RL who you can talk to.

Could this be a very long cycle so you will ovulate later? This journey is full of highs and lows and every cycle starts with new hope which makes it more painful when you realise this isn’t your month either.....

Catconfusion · 11/09/2019 08:26

Hi @zoomies1 its great to hear from you. I'm so sorry you're not moving forwards in some way. What has you GP said? I'm also sorry you've nearly reached your due date. I can imagine that's really hard.

It is horrendous when all that hope at the beginning of the cycle is dashed when it doesn't work out. I hope you get some luck soon. xx

SunStruck · 11/09/2019 08:49

@MrsMGE you're absolutely right that being a parent won't definite you as a person, you're so much more than that! I have never really been a 'baby person', never craved motherhood to be honest (unlike you). It's only after I got married I knew I definitely want kids, but now I'm already 35.

Just like you, I've travelled, lived abroad, focused on my career, managed to buy a flat in London, have the best pets ever... I think we have accomplished lots! And this TTC business is just taking a bit longer, but it will happen for us. I was also so angry about my own body not being able to do what everyone else's (or so it feels like) can do with ease, but that's really being hard on ourselves and it really doesn't help having this kind of mindset. What has happened has happened, and we need to look to the future instead.

Go for that promotion and go travel! I am also planning to book something for Jan now 😄 where have you booked for?

@zoomies1 I hear you. My due date is in December, and so far this TTC business has been a disaster. Hoping for more luck for us towards the end of the year/next year 😄

MrsMGE · 11/09/2019 12:05

@SunStruck I booked Santorini and Cornwall so far, both spring time next year. I don't normally visit the same place twice, especially abroad, but I adore Santorini, it's my happy place, so we're going again 😊

@Catconfusion Thank you for being so calm and collected, the voice of reason again. I think it's near impossible this month, there's no progress and looking at the calendar it would have to be a miraculously quick spike and then a miraculous conception and implantation in such a short time before AF is due. To be truthful, I had a suspicion in my first pg that I conceived quite late in the cycle, but the lines are fainter now, so not putting my hopes up.

@zoomies1 You've summed it up so well. It is very difficult not to have anyone in RL going through the same thing in the same time as you. I've always felt a bit behind on here as well, I guess, because my MC happened a bit more recently than everyone else's. So whilst everyone was a step or two ahead, whether getting better mentally, stronger physically, and eventually pg again, I've always been the last one, haha! But at least we have the shared experience and this thread did give me a lot of hope that there's life after the MC, it's not the end of the world.

I personally think I need to admit that something is wrong, my body isn't working the way it should. That's the first step. Ultimately, even if O happens, ovulating so late in the cycle isn't normal. Having iregular length cycle isn't normal. Having a short luteal phase isn't normal. Maybe things will work out for me naturally at some point, as I'm not completely infertile. But the reality is, I am not in the perfect position I thought I was in when I started TTC for my first baby and caught very quickly. It may well have been a lucky accident. Acknowledging this makes it easier for me to face the fact it's not happening again.

I'm going to give it another few months and then see my GP. I'm also going to lose a bit of weight, I don't desperately need to, but I have gone from normal-with-curves to chubby after the MC and it will do me good.

That's that. Not much else I can do. I don't want to worry, it's not me, I'm a happy, dynamic person and this TTC business has turned me into an emotional wreck. I hate this and I'm not going to stay in it any longer! I don't want to look back at my 30s and think it was the most miserable decade in my life, it's our prime time!

@SunStruck I hear you, you can't imagine how much I can relate to what you wrote. I think if you get to the point you're pretty happy with what you've achieved in life, and then something like this goes wrong, it's an extremely bitter pill to swallow. It feels like my life has just slapped me in the face, I guess it's my time, after all. 2019 as a whole has been the worst year in my life, by far.

We all get it, just in different shape and form. It's the simple truth, you cannot have it all in life. Some women have regrets about not having an education, dream job, money, the perfect partner, you name it. But they have children. I don't envy them. Equally, I respect who they are and I don't think less of them. We've made different choices, and my life isn't perfect either.

It makes me think, why am I so harsh about myself, this is completely against what I preach to others about self-love. I mentor people in business to encourage them to thrive, regardless of how bad their starting position is. And then there's me. Yes, I may not be able to have a baby now. Is this the end of the world? Does this render me worthless? Absolutely not. I need to pick myself back up and keep working on myself, remembering that nobody's life is picture perfect, and that's just my fair share of crap.

It seems to me that this whole world is construed on a premise that we as women ought to have children, that this is our role. The amount of interviews I've read and women I heard saying "What's your greatest achievement in life? - My children", I mean, really? As if our entire worth was pinned only on motherhood. Our children are a product of biology in 80% and luck in 20%. They are separate human beings to us. Yes, we can be proud of them, proud of the work we've done nurturing them, but they are not our "achievement". In my book, achievement is something we work on that is within our reach. It can be measured differently, but ultimately, we achieve in our own capacity as individuals, regardless of whether we are mothers or not. That's what I truly, deeply believe in.

I'm a feminist and feeling low about this TTC business, whilst understandable, I guess, is against my core beliefs. So I'm going to dig myself out of this big, black hole that doesn't help anyone, and get my stuff back together so I can be me again.

Wow, that was philosophical. I'd better shut up and get on the gin tonight! 😉🍸

Kiki061190 · 11/09/2019 20:50

Hi @MrsMGE I’ve just read all your posts! I think we all have had that moment where we feel like our body is betraying us! That’s why we have each other to talk to. Nothing is off the table here, it’s a place to be honest and rant! I had the conversation with my OH at one point and asked what if I can’t conceive? Would we adopt? It’s so hard to stay in a positive mentality. You have caught and you will catch again! I know I keep referring to @Catconfusion but she is proof that longer cycles do still work! How many times did she almost give up hope because O hadn’t happened? She got her BFP the month her original due date was and I think she’s an inspiration to us all! Keep the faith ♥️ I also recommend just to forget about TTC! The month I did it I felt like a weight was off my shoulders, enjoyed myself, bought new clothes and dtd when I fancied and voila! It worked! Although I did throw up 4 times today on the boat to the amalfi coast and back 🤮 I love boats! Have struggled with all food this week and just couldn’t hold anything down today 🥵

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SunStruck · 12/09/2019 05:56

@MrsMGE oh that's amazing!!!! I've always wanted to go to Santorini, we looked at it for our honeymoon but it was just soooo expensive in September! So we went to Positano instead, still expensive hahah! How are you feeling today? I hope more positive as you have so much nice to look forward to 🤗 and yes I agree with 'really?! ' about the what's your biggest achievement in life question! We have other things going for us so need to appreciate that 😄

@Kiki061190 oh no poor you 😢 hope you'll feel better today! X

@Catconfusion hey feeling any better? How long until the next scan? X

@zoomies1 me you and @MrsMGE in the same boat still, let's support each other ❤️

Kiki061190 · 12/09/2019 09:41

@SunStruck I was in Positano yesterday and wow it expensive! Beautiful tho! Thanks I’m feeling a bit better today and it’s our last night here as we leave around 4:30pm tomorrow ☹️ you ready for O this weekend?

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SunStruck · 12/09/2019 12:22

@Kiki061190 oh no already leaving! Well hope you had a good time anyways, always good with a little getaway :)

I went for a scan today and it showed I ovulated last night 🤦🏻‍♀️ we did dtd last night but not the nights before (I didn't even have a flashing smiley, went straight to solid and O same day). It is so quick I don't think my egg would have had time to mature.. follicle must have been on the very small side! The Dr said she's definitely seen cases where follicle was small but still released mature eggs so let's see 🤷🏻‍♀️ she said to dtd straight away when we get back after work today as the egg can live for 24h, so I'm jumping on DH the second I get in 🤣

She prescribed progesterone gel to try lengthen the luteal phase and baby aspirin. So I'm officially in the TWW now!

I'm actually more positive now... I will be honest and don't think this will be my month given the size of the follicle, but we have a good plan sorted for the next coming cycles. The Dr will give me meds that will stimulate more follicles, and hopefully I'll release more eggs so I have a bigger chance of fertilization.

MrsMGE · 12/09/2019 12:30

Hi girls, nothing new to report here, same results this morning, dtd last night, mood the same as it was. Perhaps more resigned now, I have zero hope anything will happen this month and I'd much rather stay in this mentality. I was so positive about this month, thinking I'm fine, and it all came crashing down so I don't ever want to go through this again. I'll just prepare for the worst as I usually do, and save up for fertility treatment and go private in few months' time. In fact it might even cost me less if I get a promotion now, as I'll have private healthcare included in my basic package.

Catconfusion · 12/09/2019 12:42

Arh thank you @Kiki061190 I hope my situation does give hope to others. @MrsMGE I think the reason I’ve responded so much to what you’re going through at the moment is because it really resonates with me. I felt pretty hopeless the week before I conceived. I even took an ugly crying selfie because I never wanted to feel that hopeless again. It was important for me to remember the pain I was in so I could move away from it. I knew my mindset was making it even less likely I’d ovulate. I just moved towards an open mind and forgiving my body for needing more time to recover from the mcs. I definitely felt better by the time I ovulated so it possibly worked. Just be kind to yourself above all. You will get there! Xx

That’s great news @SunStruck I do hope you’re on time with the dtd. Goodness knows what size the follicle I released on day 32. It seemed like a last ditch attempt for my body after the failed ovulation the week before. Luckily it worked and this could work for you too. I really hope it does! Xx

SunStruck · 12/09/2019 12:44

@Catconfusion thanks :) how do you know your body tried to but failed to ovulate by the way?

SunStruck · 12/09/2019 12:46

@MrsMGE hugs from me! Definitely try go for that promotion! I'm done putting my life on hold for this, it's not worth it. Before AF comes there's always hope, but I know what you mean. I'm having some people coming out to visit so will try to take my mind off it. Easier said than done...

MrsMGE · 12/09/2019 13:39

I honestly do not know how people TTC for years, I'd never do it, I'd be a complete wreck of a woman. I shouldn't speak too soon, it may still be me.

I feel so sorry for women who are infertile and have to go through multiple rounds of IVF over several years or so. I can sympathise with them a lot more now. Having said that, losing your baby and having secondary infertility is also totally shit.

Catconfusion · 12/09/2019 14:01

Hey @SunStruck my temperature went up after a positive Opk so I got a surge and a follicle tried to pop through hence the rise due to a bit of progesterone but my temps came back down again. It’s usually not as strong a rise as with a true ovulation but clearly an upward trend. About a week later it happened for real. I’ve never been diagnosed with pcos so it’s baffling why my body does this. I honestly think stress plays a part. Luckily hormones are normal. I’ve always had irregular cycles. Xx

@MrsMGE I completely agree it must be terrible to go through a prolonged period of infertility. Saying that I tried with my ex partner for three years and that was pretty awful. Turned out it was a male factor issue. I was convinced it was my weird cycles causing the problem. I dodged a bullet as he wasn’t the right person. He actually knew he had a male issue for two of those years and didn’t tell me. It was horrible at the time but I’m glad as it brought me to DH.

My poor friend has been trying for at least 5 years. She’s got premature ovarian failure and it’s looking like she’s starting to go through menopause. They went through failed ivf cycles. I really feel for her. Am not sure yet how I’ll tell her about my pregnancy. She’s always wanted to be a Mum too.

I guess the important thing is to keep an open mind until more time has passed or a doctor tells you something is wrong. I honestly think it can take a while to recover from a mc as well. Chinese medicine recognises it as being more traumatic to the body than a full term birth would be. It’s completely understandable you’re feeling frustrated and fed up. I just hope you get some luck soon! Xx

MrsMGE · 12/09/2019 14:10

@Catconfusion Omg, what a horrible man, lied to you about something like this! No wonder he's an ex! That's a terrible thing to do to you. Glad you have your lovely DH now.

I am dead scared of infertility, I'll just put it out there. I don't even want to think this could be me after everything that's happened. Just how much bad luck can one person have?

Equally I'm really struggling even if it's a temporary blip still resulting from the MC. All I read is that you should get pg within the 6 months after as it improves your outcomes, that you're more fertile then, and all I see is nearly everyone getting pg again very quickly. I genuinely don't see how I can stay positive in all this, it's just too much 😔

Catconfusion · 12/09/2019 15:04

It was pretty awful @MrsMGE He told me the doctor said the results were fine. It was only because we changed doctors surgeries my new GP broke confidentiality to tell me as he see the emotional strain of blaming myself. The new doctor said he doesn’t think any doctor could misread the results as he was practically infertile. We had the option of ivf but I didn’t want to do it with him. He also was bipolar which was difficult to manage. All in all a difficult time.

I think you are completely justified in how you feel love and I’m very sorry it’s not happened yet for you. Just don’t give up hope. As much as I hated people saying it to me it is a good sign to have fallen pregnant. I think I read about the study where there was increased fertility for 6 months. I only just managed it. Everyone is individual though. It doesn’t mean there’s something wrong. I truly hope it happens soon for you! Xx

SunStruck · 13/09/2019 05:23

@Catconfusion oh never heard of that before! How lucky you got a second wind and caught 😃

@MrsMGE hey how are you? May I ask when your miscarriage happened? I found out about mine mid-May, so it has been a very long road here also. I know I always read about women who on caught straight away, but my cycles were messed up for months and months (also needed a 2nd d&c which didn't help)... my last cycle was still messed up. I think it just takes time for some women to go back to normal, like us. Remember we said we're going to try until end of the year so we still have time if this cycle doesn't work out. We just need to hang in there.

Funny story... so we had to dtd yesterday as I ovulated then. Back story, I've bought Fertil Aid for my DH (vitamins to increase sperm motility and quality), which he has been taken for 3 weeks. He couldn't get it up!!!! This has NEVER happened before and he said that he has literally not had an erection since he started taking those pills 😱 he'll stop taking them now! he managed to dtd the day before but it took a looong time before we could get on it.... I was panicking as I knew we had to boost our chances, but literally nothing was happening. So he said we can try get some viagra (we have never used this before), he refused to go get it himself though so I went to the pharmacy myself to get it 🤣 Of course the person behind the till was male 🤦🏻‍♀️ I could have died of embarrassment. Didn't help that there was a couple behind me in the queue when I whispered what I wanted to buy (they definitely heard). We managed to dtd in the end 😅 I will literally never be able to go back to that pharmacy... doesn't help that I've been in there a few weeks back asking the same guy if they sold sperm friendly lube... he must think I'm loving it 🤣

SunStruck · 13/09/2019 05:25

@Catconfusion forgot to comment on your ex - what a VILE human being!!! Let you think it's your fault! Imagine if you'd have missed out on having kids because of him 😡😡 you're well rid!

Kiki061190 · 13/09/2019 08:26

@Catconfusion I can not believe your ex did that to you! That is awful. Honesty should always be key in a relationship and if someone lied to me about that for years I would be gone too!

@MrsMGE When was your MMC? Honestly I wouldn’t worry about fertility. You fell preggers so quickly the first time and you will fall again. I know it’s hard when you feel down about TTC but just keep a mentality of it will happen!

@SunStruck I found out about my MMC in May too. Would you have been due December originally also? So many stories about those fertility pills affecting men’s performance! I took pregnacare pre conception the month before I conceived and sorry for TMI but all it did was give me bright pee and I’m sure it made my cycle shorter! We also used preseed and I swear it never helped. I stopped both the month I fell and just forgot about O etc and it worked the old fashioned way. You’ve fallen as well so quickly the first time, you will again ♥️

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SunStruck · 13/09/2019 09:04

@Kiki061190 yes due date 18 December 😔 I'm definitely not checking due date before the 12 week scan next time around!

Not long of your holiday now. What do you have planned for last days? Xx

Kiki061190 · 13/09/2019 09:32

@SunStruck My original due date was December 11th! Today is actually our last day, we go home this evening. I’ve had a great time but have barely been able to eat which is just awful. Planning on taking a few extra days off work next week to see if I can tackle this nausea! Amazing that you know you have O’d tho. I wouldn’t worry about timing! @sadtoday21 dtd 5 days before and it caught! You have just as much chance as all of us. I don’t know when I o’d the month I caught so no idea if dtd timing was good!

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MrsMGE · 13/09/2019 09:34

Hi girls. @SunStruck @Kiki061190 I found out on 1 June and had medical management in the second week of June. So I am running at least few weeks, if not months, behind everyone else on here, also in terms of physical and mental recovery I guess.

On the one hand I think it hasn't been that long. On the other, I would have been 5 months along now (DD 14 Jan) and it feel like a massive setback, as I'm not even pg yet.

I was really hoping that I would have a peaceful-ish Christmas with being pg again and past the 12 week mark, but it's unlikely this is going to happen. I'm dreading Christmas as it is, it will be the loneliest one I've ever experienced. DH's parents are not present in our lives (they're the kind of people who cut the ties with lots of family members, including us, both sets of their parents, DH's ex brother-in-law, not very nice), I used to have an OK relationship with mine, especially my mum, not so close to my dad, but on this occasion, my parents have also failed to support us and we haven't been on speaking terms for 3 months now. This has never happened before and it is weighing heavy on my mind, but they have a lot to apologise for and I cannot imagine moving on without them doing that. As you know, we have also lost family members and close friends in the last couple of months and it all feels so uber shit. I was due to start my maternity leave just before Christmas. It just feels like everyone is slowly making their lovely plans with their families and children and we have nothing to look forward to. It's awful.

MrsMGE · 13/09/2019 09:48

@Catconfusion If you had been married to that guy, this would have been a ground for annulment, not even a divorce. A very serious matter, what a deceptive, twisted individual. I am still astonished he put you through that, some people have no conscience.

On to a lighter subject, @Kiki061190 are you back from your hols now? What was your favourite place? How are you feeling now?

@SunStruck You've made me laugh with that Viagra story, imagine you catch this month and your kid asks in few years' time "Mummy, how was I conceived?" 😳🤣🤣🤣 You and DH will need to have an agreed version of that story, hahaha! Skip the magic blue pill element 🤣🤣🤣 I'm glad it worked, eventually! My DH had a flop few days ago too, you guys are not alone! Also yes as Kiki said, it's perfectly possible you have your reserve from few days' back and the swimmers are ready, steady, go now. Hopefully you'll have that one that will prove to be the Usain Bolt of this month! 😁🦸‍♀️⚡

I've had another flashing smiley and an ever so slightly darker LH line this morning, but I'm not putting my hopes up - a similar thing happened before and it didn't progress to peak fertility. Femometer recognised LH level to be 20 this morning which is better than before (it was around 5-7) but still nowhere near where it should be. I don't necessarily rely on the numbers, just looking at the lines and they are as described above.

Anyway, I'm planning a nice weekend with a trip to the pub, mountain walks and catching up with one of my besties. DH and I are off for a few days next week, we might book a cheeky trip somewhere. Xxx

SunStruck · 13/09/2019 10:32

@MrsMGE oh that sounds like a lovely plan for the weekend! Great news about OPKs getting darker, you might ovulate when you have a few days off next week - perfect timing 😏 My last cycle I had 9 days of flashing smileys in a row - again, miscarriage really screws with your body, so I really do think you'll just ovulate late this cycle.

Well DHs sperm had been on holiday chilling for 2 weeks in his sacks (cursing FertilAid), so not sure how quick the first batch were 🤣🤣🤣 That's why I was so desperate to bd again last night (I either ovulated night before last or yesterday morning though, so could have missed the egg with the 'new batch'...). Haha. Let's hope for one Michael Phelps at least 🏊🏼‍♂️🏊🏼‍♂️🏊🏼‍♂️ 🤣

About what you said about Xmas - so sorry to hear. I think you should just make chilled and nice plans with DH, at least no family drama (I love having a smaller Xmas rather than a massive event, stressful). And see, you are just a bit behind me (less than 1 month), so your cycles should go back to normal next month, it will happen!

@Kiki061190 thanks - I will stop thinking about this, it's not helping, whatever will be will be 😄 oh sorry to hear about how nauseous you are 😔 yes take a few days off so you can just stay at home and rest, listen to your body. Can't be too long until your scan now? Xxx

Catconfusion · 13/09/2019 11:28

Thanks @MrsMGE it was bizarre. I never asked if he actually picked up the results. It might have been he was too scared and didn’t. He definitely lied though by saying they were normal whether he knew or not. I ended it soon after. It was such a big breach of trust. I think that’s why I was shocked to fall pregnant straight away with DH because I’d drummed it into myself there was something wrong with me during those three years. I guess it taught me to try and be kinder to myself.

Great news the opks are getting darker. Remember it could kick off very quickly. Xx

Thanks @SunStruck it was a horrible time. It’s baffling what people will do to people they supposedly care about. DH is completely different. He’d do anything for me and would never lie so I’m very lucky.

I really hope you caught it this time! There’s every chance you could have. Fingers crossed for you! Xx