Recurrent Miscarriage Support Thread 27 - Tests, Treatments and Trying Again

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Tea, hugs, a wealth of collective knowledge and lots of hand holding as we try again. This thread moves like lightning so hold on to your hats!
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Welcome casio, I'm so sorry for your losses but I hope you find plenty of support here. I definitely think progesterone works for some. Since mc1 I have had plenty of symptoms of low progesterone and beleive it may have caused mc2 (just my feeling though). I am on it now and 6+5wks so hoping it works this time.

Also welcome to gem, congratulations and good luck!

Excellent news about your scan mrsC, so pleased for you!

Good luck fifi and sebs for your scans today!

Sasha good news about the chlomid working but understandable you're upset about your lining. I agree that there are definitely ways to help thicken it so I hope this is a treatable problem for you. I think brummie(?) tried a few things to thicken hers with success. I'm sure others have lots of suggestions and tips too that will help you.

bits thank you for popping back on and giving us all hope

Lovely to read of tiny, Alice, longest and Beth's meet up and how a longed for dream is now a reality.

mrsB your boss sounds lovely. I would definitely take advantage and take it easy and be kind to yourself. I found box sets helped pass the time during and after my mcs. Look after yourself and keep posting here. X

march fuck, I'm willing this not to be it again. Is it red, red? Massive hug! xxx

It's properly red but only streaks so far. Starting to feel like I'm jinxing things by posting on here (i do know that's ridiculous). Just got to hope it's nothing serious

I so so hope it's from implantation and goes away soon. Hand hold here and a big hug. xxx

March ditto Bumblebee comment. Hugs xx

March keeping everything crossed for you xx

Sasha I'm a thin lining!!!!! And I did loads to try and increase it.

Had acupuncture
Ate two eggs, every single day - they are blood nourishing food.
I also ate lots of leafy green vegetables too
Floradix iron supplement
L'arginine supplement (Holland & Barrett sell it) - it encourages blood flow to the pelvic region
I also went to Coventry and had the endometrial scratch. I absolutely cannot stress enough how valuable going to Coventry was for me.
I'm also on cyclogest as well

My lining was really thin and fingers crossed I'm ok at the moment

March everything here tightly crossed. You deserve a break!

sasha - could you look at it another way? It's something treatable that could be a cause of previous mcs but which you can try and address for another attempt? Hugs though, I know nothing's easy to here at this point - nothing wrong - have to trust to good fortune - something's wrong - well, something's wrong and that's scary.

casio - welcome. My consultant (who I saw privately and on the nhs) refused progesterone too on the basis that prescribing things before there was evidence to back it up was dangerous. I was mightily pissed off at the time but this pregnancy did stick (a different consultant did eventually prescribe it but I was past my danger point by then). I took agnus castus to try and boost progesterone. Who knows if that was what made a difference. I think it might have been, but know others are cautious about it.

I've seen our baby! The bean is measuring 8w+5days and has lovely strong heart beat. There were happy tears this time!

Hi Sasha, I took progesterone for thin lining and also had acupuncture. Good luck this afternoon.

March, fx its only implantation bleeding. xx

mrsC and Fifi hooray for good scans and heart beats! Made up for you both xx

fifi so happy for you.

Do you think the NK tests etc worthwhile for missed mc? I assume there are different causes for mmc vs mc?
I think that's why they did the amniocentesis this time, as it doesn't appear to be my system, but something abnormal with the fetus. So many questions, not so many answers.

Sasha it was me ranting on about testing after 2mc.

I'm aware (well think I'm aware) I come across a bit angry all the time in my posts, but I REALLY am so so bloody angry at the mismanagement (sorry might not be the correct word usage here) of early pregnancy and the utter utter life changing crap us RMC'ers experience, literally turning our lives up side down and inside out.

I have read about campaigns to change investigations after 3 MC to 2, but for goodness sake, NHS Testing protocol HAS to change very very soon. I'm angry for everyone, 1 MC maybe but after 2 its GOT to be investigated!!!!!!!!!

I'm now a bit concerned about my womb lining. My cycle got completely balls'd up last month. After visiting Coventry for the scratch, hopping on the Progesterone from day 21 then my af was delayed a couple of days and then bleeding bright red 'unclotty' blood for 6 solid days. I knew it was not normal for me, but took it as an effect on my af from Progesterone, also Professor Quenby suggested a positive effect from Progesterone.

Then (thanks to you awesome ladies on here), suggesting I take a Pregnancy test whilst noting on my post of experiencing very clear ovulation/pregnancy symptoms and finding out I was infact pregnant.

Steaming in to EPU at Oxford first thing in the morning for a scan which revealed my lining was below half of what they would expect at that point (but no one really knowing at what point I was!!…) and no pregnancy located in my womb or infact anywhere that the scan 'radiowaves' could reach, but strong positive tests and slow increasing hog levels.

Soooo now I'm worried that I should get a further scan to confirm my lining thickness before ttc. Although DH and I said we wouldn't ttc this month, that has now gone out the window and we have just continued on tic!!!! So concerned if it has happened this month, waiting game commences.
Can't win can we... damned if we do, damned if we don't!!!

Sorry rant over…

Tons of love to each and every single one of you strong, determined ladies on here, keep on keeping on. xxx

Congratulations on the good scans girls, brilliant stuff.

Well my pregnancy is still viable currently, measuring 8 weeks 6 days. Slightly ahead of what I expected to be so I've decided to be worried about that, even though I know at this stage everything is so tiny it's hard to be accurate.

Chose not to look as I don't want to see any limbs waving about as last time I had a few weeks of happiness only to then seeing it laying lifeless three weeks later which was fucking horrendous.

Next scan in two weeks then consultant appointment straight after.

March keeping everything crossed it's just implantation xx

**hcg levels...

Sebs very very pleased for you. Willing you on. xx

Yay for good scan results!!

Mrsb, in a nutshell this is what i gather the Coventry profs speculate is happening. A high unk result is an indicator that there is a problem with the response of the lining of the uterus. It has an inflammatory response that leads to two issues. It means that the lining doesn't properly distinguish between viable and non viable eggs, so it allows non viable eggs to implant as well as viable ones (hyperfertility). The second issue is that it disrupts the development of the placenta, such that the body can attack the embryo or the placenta develops but is very weak, so when it starts to take over the blood supply and profuses with blood, it's not strong enough and fails. My understanding is that because of the first issue, you might see mcs of abnormal embryos as well as normal ones. This is just my layman's understanding though!

onestep, try not to worry lovely. In your description you say that you had lots of red bleeding then when they scanned you after the bfp the lining was thin. But then, you would expect it to be thin after all that bleeding. Perhaps your body didn't understand what was going on because the pg wasn't in your uterus but in your tube, so the uterus shed its lining (hence it being thin by the time you were scanned). Have you been scanned since? And if so, was the lining regenerating? I really hope it's not an issue and fingers crossed for you x

Appointment sounds positive sasha!

Great scan news fifi and sebs