Recurrent Miscarriage Support Thread 25 - tests, treatment and trying again

[Marchgirl]

Tea, hugs, a wealth of collective knowledge and lots of hand holding as we try again. This thread moves like lightning so hold on to your hats!
Previous thread here

Oh hi inamay yes it could be from IVF thread from earlier this year/ late last year sorry for not remembering. There were so many lovely ladies on that thread, I still check up to see how they are doing.

I forgot about the messiness re dates when ttc-ing again and yes it's sensible to wait. Good for natural balance too if you believe in that like I do.

The lucky fox socks was started by tiny i think, who wore them to every scan (and once posted a picture). So after seeing how well they were serving her, everyone wanted a bit of the lucky Fox sock magic. She is now mother to the beautiful Alice

Loving the 90s programme pop!

I think as long as you've stopped bleeding you can start ttc anytime. It's only for dating purposes they say to wait but if you're using opk that doesn't really matter add you'll know. I would advise waiting till you have a negative hpt though so you don't risk the not knowing if it's left over hcg.
I had a 2 month break after mc 1 but went straight back in after mc2 then massively regretted it when mc3 came, as I'd never really dealt with the emotional side of mc2 and the third hit me like a ton of bricks. Also the 8 weeks i was pg before mc3 was the worst 8 weeks ever (worse than the previous 2 mc). Just crying every day and sick with worry. Then hit massive depression when number 3 came. I think I should have given myself more time, but hindsight is a wonderful thing! Everyone is different though, and every pg is different. My last one was very early and it felt much more manageable, plus I had the huge support of everyone on here. It's a very personal decision and I know how strong the urge to try again is. The enforced break after mc3 did me the world of good, even though at the time it was frustrating as hell!

I will think of that every time I wear them in future, and make sure they're freshly washed for 'special occasions'. Thanks for sharing.

I've just found the 90s prog on C4 + 1. Love it!!!

I watched it too Annie made me feel rather old to think those times were so long ago but it did take me right back. I don't think I had a care in the world in the 90s haha x

Sorry to miss people..got to sleep..

Thanks for support re pink cm. It was a tiny amount, but not felt sick at all today..you know how it is...
cat by lmp am 8wks today but by scan on wed I am 7+3 (I O'd late). Managed to pretend to distract myself all day.

Welcome tom and thorne sorry you find yourselves here.

Re eggs yes I had read 80% get fertilised.

Re socks I must get some!

march how's the spotting?

Only other reason I have heard to wait until first af is to allow a decent lining to build up.

Night all x

I forgot - cat, 38 wks on thursday !!! Am beyond excited for you!

Tom and Thorne so glad you found us

If you have an employee assistance programme definitely check re counselling. My employer gave me 12 sessions of counseling. 6 as part of our benefits and then actually paid for an additional 6 at £70 each!!!

I'm very very lucky. I've also had - and am having acupuncture. Now I'm pregnant again, I'm having it weekly to try and hang on to this one.

Who is meeting up??? Am being nosey but if it's not too ridiculously far away I'd be up for it

Someone else from Bucks along with Just and Onestep I miss home!!!! will always be a Buckinghamshire gal

Good lord, 20 pages to catch up on (I'm anal like that), started at 11pm! Had to scan read at the end so hope I don't get anything wrong...

Bootles, Jady, Sun, Brummie, Cat, littlebear - good news on scans. Bootles, I hope pink CM settles down.

March and MrsD, crossing fingers for you that spotting is nothing serious.

texta, thanks for Athens info - sounds interesting.

Freckle , my boobs lie too! Convinced myself many a time that I'm pregnant but realised that I go through periods of sore boobs from mid cycle to AF. They're so unreliable. One of mine is young and carefree, can pass the pencil test, would rather be out clubbing. The other is set in its ways and stubborn, could hold a piece of 2 by 4 wood in a vice-like grip.

I usually give myself a day or three to eat what I want when AF arrives. Didn't try to TTC this month so no surprise to see AF but still polished off 5 mars bar crispy cakes...

Freckle, if I don't get time to post again before, hope your follow up appointment is helpful.

Minnie, sorry about friends situation.

Barking, glad your dad's situation seems to be improving.

Hello to newbies and sorry you find yourselves here.

I'm back in after argument with DH last month, financial rather than RM. And wondering whether to drop the progesterone from CD21 as three months post-Coventry. But not 100% sure we DTD at right time.

Arrrgh. Why isn't this a bit easier? No change on the pee stick this morning. Should have a little more than a faint shadow at 13 dpo. Not looking good. Maybe i should have slept in the socks

Oh march I echo your thoughts..why oh why isn't this easier?? It does take a few days for that line to get stronger, many a time I haven't noticed a change from one morni g to the next in v early days - that's when I start testing in the evening too. This one was still v faint at 13dpo. Total headfuck for you. How is the spotting?

I have no more pink cm but also no more symptoms. If this carries on I will try to get a scan next week.

mrsd I meant to say - I'm glad you have your scan on monday, that's tomorrow! I Hope the spotting is calming down and you are remaining on sofa duties only!

Impressive catch up biscuits, maybe e-mail coventry to ask about progesterone?

march I would e-mail Coventry if I were you, (I think you asked a while back) I always think the more information they have the better.

Hugs for you bootles. I know it's no comfort to say that symptoms come and go, so I won't bother trying to convince you.
No more spotting but then I've upped the prog, so as expected. Looks like I'll have to buy some more frer as it's not even showing on the less sensitive test yet. Good job they are 2 for 1. I just think I'm heading for mc5 and frustrated that they are getting earlier. How will I ever see if the meds do any good if I don't even get that far?

Big hug and hand hold march - it's not over yet. It is, however, mental torture whilst you wait to find out. That's the trouble for us - the medications can mask bleeding and symptoms, it can give us bleeding and symptoms, our anxiety is sky high and we have had too many sad and difficult experiences. It's shit. And I know it sounds hollow to say your line can still get darker; and if it is another mc (and I really, really hope it isn't, with all my heart) then your body is being is selective and the progesterone is doing its job - because you know all this, but it doesn't really help when all you want is a bfp, adequate symptoms, no spotting. I am at work today, so will just do hour by hour. I hope you have some distractions planned too x

The spotting has passed. Still being allowed to stay on sofa which is strange but I'm making the most of it. Had a massive meltdown last night about the soul destroying all day nausea returning on friday. I want to feel this way dam you reassuring vomiting but its so so consuming. Just feel a bit like I can't do this again so it can't go wrong. Pity me post over. Sorry ladies.

Woop woop for lucky socks and PPI/lottery wins

Sorry to see new faces on here but it really is the best place for guidance and support.

I'm reading but everything's blurring into one you chatty ladies!

Happy Sundays all round xx

inamay I think the deal with the aspirin is that some women take the low dose vsion (75mg) just in case, but they don't know if they need to and while for most that will be fine, for some, who perhaps don't clot as well as they might, it could lead to bleeding. Plus, if you do have a clotting problem, 75mg is too low a dose to have an effect. I've just been told that my TEG results show I have stronger clots which don't break down all that easily and that makes me more likely to miscarry, so if I ever get do again I have to take two baby aspirin.

tom and Thorne welcome to the thread. Sympathy on the envy front, Tom. I am lucky because I have two children and am just trying to complete my family. But I was the first of my friends to have a baby very nearly nine years ago, and then I had another 5 years ago at a time when a number of my friends still had not got started. Since then, we have no used birth control, and meanwhile my friends have knocked out two and even three babies apiece! Jealous, me? You bet. Actually, one of them makes me laugh becase she always goes on about how she "nearly lost" two of her children. Basically, she had some random spotting at six weeks and "had to have an emergency scan at the hospital!" But -phew- everything was fine. There is an awful lot of eye-rolling when that begins!

Someone mentioned having a longer cycle? Mine used to be between 31-36 days, which was annoying because over a year it meant I got less chances than other people. My cycle regularised at 28 days after I went on a low carb diet and lost a couple of stone, and I did acupuncture. I am more inclined to think it was the diet (in particular no sugar or booze) that helped, but the good thing about the acupuncture was that it gave me 30 minutes of lying in a dark room gently smoldering (my chap was liberal in his use of moxa) and not thinking about work (v stressful) or ttc (vvv stressful). Also a decent amount of B12 helps with the cycle, I think.

March try not to obsess over that line. It could just be a shitty test. I'm sorry things are so uncertain.

Minnie thanks for the top re Frer. I may stock up, although I am I think (it was hard to tell this month, and I have stopped charting etc) only about 7 or 8 dpo and have been cramping since yesterday. So i reckon I will not be needing a wee stick any time soon. Plus, my boobs do not hurt, and they really are the acid test.

I hope everyone else is ok.

Mrsd - know exactly how you feel about nausea...I've been feeling miserable because of how consuming and horrible it is but then guilty about feeling bad about it...what a cycle.

Beginning to worry about taking aspirin now - all the meds I were given were precautionary ...wondering if I should try and fade out the aspirin?
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Morning ladies! Should be doing some marking but here I am... thank goodness the holidays are in sight!

Brummie - thanks for the welcome and congratulations on your pregnancy- hope all is going well . How good that you could get counselling through your employer - was it helpful? Not something that I could get through work sadly, but I would definitely consider paying for some myself if the GP can't help. I started acupuncture last week and have found it to be relaxing (once I got over the having pins stuck in me - this whole process has made me get over my needle phobia rather quickly). How funny that there are so many Bucks ladies here - think I read that you are originally from Princes Ris yesterday? I'm just down the road from there in Aylesbury!

Onestep - was it you who is in Watermead? I'm in Queens Park!

Ouff - how many pages did I miss yesterday?!!

Welcome new faces - am so sorry for your losses but glad you found us.

bootles - hand holding lovely. It's so scary to see that pink tinge. it could be absolutely nothing, but I think asking EPU or RMC clinic to scan you next week is a good idea, so you aren't in head fuck land for too long wondering what it means. Have everything crossed for you that it's just a bit of random spotting.

march - urgh to the tests. Its so worrying in those first few days wondering if the line is getting darker. I know not everyone agrees, but would it be worth doing a digital. If it shows on that, then at least you can repeat in a week to see if it has gone up or if it hasn't then to stop taking the progesterone??

mrsd - enjoy your afternoon on the sofa. Hope he sickness isn't too over whelming. And remember it should hopefully start easing off soon hun.

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Q re: NK cells. Can this be an issue even if you've had one live birth already, albeit via IVF? DH is quizzing me and I don't know but feel sure someone here will! Thanks

Hi may. Yes. Absolutely. Many of us have a dc already but still high nk. I asked prof brosens whether it was more common in primary or secondary miscarriers and he said it's fairly even, so doesn't seem to be affected by that. This is something that can come and go as well. So you might have high nk one month but it might get better or worse and back again. I asked him what the name of the condition was and he said there wasn't one, because it's just an over reaction of the natural state. (I still think it should be called something. Maybe bro-quen's syndrome )

Hey folks.

Welcome to Tom and Throne. Sorry you're in the position of having to join us but glad you've found us. Empathy on the envy front too. The vast majority of my friends now have two children, and all but the ones that don't want them have at least one. It's really painful, irrespective of whether you're waiting for number one, two, three...

Bootles - so sorry things are proving stressful. I agree with Sun, if there is any way you might get a scan next week could you give that a go? Hand hold.

March - sorry you're having a stressful time of it too. Why can't fate just give us a break!

I've decided to remove head from sand and try to do everything I can to improve our chances. I was wondering what supplements everyone uses? I know people have written about them before and I've ploughed through a few old threads trying to find the discussions but haven't managed to. I'm taking pregnacare and extra folic acid, but am now wondering about the following: yam extract, maca, Q-10, omega-3 and royal jelly for me. Extra zinc, selenium, maca, omega-3, vitamin c and e, and l-carnitine for DH. However, I feel at risk of getting carried away...