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Recurrent Miscarriage Support Thread 24 - tests, treatment, trying again.

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Brummiegirl15 · 23/05/2015 20:42

New thread for us if it's worked on phone! Will paste stats

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twilightstruggle · 05/06/2015 09:55

Just spoke to HR and they said its up to the kind manager. She advised that I phone the new job and explain the reasons as its a "legitimate reason". Don't really want to go in to a new job admitting a) I'm TTC and b) divulging such personal info. I'm really upset and teary ??

Justonemoretime · 05/06/2015 09:56

hr, not her*

twilightstruggle · 05/06/2015 09:56

Line manager not kind manager!

Marchgirl · 05/06/2015 09:56

I agree. I was told pg related sickness doesn't count. Very unfair for it to be included. Good luck for Monday x

Justonemoretime · 05/06/2015 10:10

Also, it shouldn't be more than a rolling 12 month period, so it should disappear from your current record over time. Including it back over a longer period is really out of order even if they can make some reference to it. I think the new employer would have to have watertight recruitment procedures to guard against sex discrimination if mc came into the choose between you can another equally qualified candidate. Angry at your line manager.

TinyTear · 05/06/2015 10:21

welcpme to the wprld shortest.
we need to meet in the heath Longest x

twilightstruggle · 05/06/2015 10:21

Thanks folks. I find your rage validating! Does anyone know legally where I stand. I've decided I'm actually just going to be open about it if new job asks. Thinking about it rationally I'll probably have to have those conversations fairly early on anyway and it opens up those conversations. However I do want to know if she wasn't supposed to mention it to add some legitimacy to my grumpiness at old job!

I'm detracting from Longest's lovely news. Back to that...

SashaKerr · 05/06/2015 10:35

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Sunandrainbow · 05/06/2015 10:36

Hmmm twilight - if your new job asks could you say something a bit more vague like it was gynaecological treatment and you were signed off by the doctor each time? That way you don't have to tell them up front you are ttc (which is none of their business). On the other hand, maybe you get more protection if it's pregnancy related. Could you call citizens advice and ask them? They have been really helpful to me in the past.

Brummiegirl15 · 05/06/2015 11:07

Longest that is wonderful news!!!!! Congratulations and welcome Beth. Another thread baby...

Cat you are next!!! I'm ok thanks lovely. Feeling quite tired and a bit sicky. 5 weeks today. Scan is next Friday at 9am

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Brummiegirl15 · 05/06/2015 11:08

Twilight that's rubbish! Your pregnancy related sick leave should not make a difference. No wonder you are stressed and upset

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bakingtins · 05/06/2015 11:44

Congratulations longest and welcome baby Beth Flowers Flowers

Flen · 05/06/2015 12:28

Fab news longest!

Catlover2014 · 05/06/2015 12:58

Twilight I feel angry for you. What an awful thing for your manager to do!!! I sought advice with my Union when I had a standard warning letter about my sick leave following surgery and mc #2. My union rep said as its pregnancy related it can't be kept on record and they were made to retract the letter. Are you in a union? If so I would contact your rep and make enquiries.

In the meantime regarding the new job I would agree with others to contact your new line manager and explain that you required gynaecological treatment. My suspicion is awkwardness will mean they won't want to discuss it or discriminate based off it. It would be very hard for them to do so without you being able to take legal action.

Sorry to hear you're feeling sick Brummie but in some ways it's reassuring that the hormones are getting to work. Hope the next week doesn't drag too much for you. We're all routing for you and your DH's little peanut!!! X

girliesaints · 05/06/2015 13:45

Twilight, that's pants and an added stress you don't need when you changing jobs. Hope you get it sorted.

Brummie, little yeah on the icky front. Know it's pants but hopefully a good sign.

NHS has done a little miracle for me and I've got an appointment for the rmc clinic on the 25th June, although I still need to get my GP referral done to sort out the paper work if not I've been told it will be cancelled. Think the rmc nurse took pity on me, or at least had sense to get it booked whilst I speak to my doctor. Hopefully mean I can then go to Coventry either August or September and then Start ttc in the Autumn. Meantime healthy eating has started today as three weeks today I'm be on holibobs. No chance of loosing the stone to get to target but at least if I can shit a few pounds will make me feel a bit better about myself.

SashaKerr · 05/06/2015 13:52

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girliesaints · 05/06/2015 14:20

Sasha, I've bought some shinny new trainers especially. Just need to get them out of the box- lol!

girliesaints · 05/06/2015 15:13

Lol, just read my last message back- shit a few pounds! Darn predictive text!??

CheesyMash · 05/06/2015 15:15

Ha ha ha, shit a few pounds! Grin

CheesyMash · 05/06/2015 15:24

twilight I thought the same that pg related illness does not count towards normal sick leave and therefore shouldn't be included. Agree that a phone call is a good idea.

barking hope your dad improves and can be in the comfort of his own home soon. Your plan to travel sounds awesome. I went to buenos aires and iguazu falls a few years back, an amazing city and the water falls are breathtaking. I have my app at thornbury tomorrow (they cancelled last weeks app) so will let you know who I see.

spam I'm so sorry you still have no answers about what happened to your baby jack and it still might take a while. I'm sorry I don't have any advice but I hope you find this thread supportive.

girlie glad you have a holiday to look forward to. How are you doing?

Frecklefire · 05/06/2015 15:51

Just logged on and read the wonderful news of Beth's birth, CONGRATULATIONS TO MR AND MRS LONGEST! XxxxFlowersStarWinexxx

Minnie74 · 05/06/2015 17:46

Oh yay! Fab news longest and such a pretty name. Enjoy all those snuggles xx

twilight I think just is right that sickness records can't go back more than 12 months. I had lots of eye hospital appointments over about 18 months and my boss wasn't too happy but his secretary said he could only look back 12 months and then it wasn't too bad. And I'm pretty sure pg illness can't count anyway. Bit of a crappy thing for your old work to do!

girlie glad the nurse saw sense and got you an appointment sorted. Psml at shitting a few pounds - wouldn't we all love to be able to do that! Grin

spam so sorry for the long wait for answers I can only imagine how truly awful getting through each day has been. Xx

Hope everyone is enjoying the sunshine. BBQ and beer is calling!

AnnieHoo · 05/06/2015 18:28

Congratulations Longest! What a ray of sunshine to hear your news! Beth is a lovely lovely name. Smile

Twilight yes you are protected by law under the Equalities Act 2010. Any employer is required to make 'reasonable adjustments' to your health needs (this included flexible working) so it's good that you have decided to being upfront with them from the start. Surely current employer could have made it a whole lot easier buy omitting that information, it seems a bit shitty. Under the Act if the new employer decided not to employ you based on that information this would be discrimination.

Thank you for the support from this thread on Wednesday it really means so much to hear from the people who know what you're going through.

I took your advice and I've booked a D&C for Tuesday if I don't miscarry naturally over the weekend. No spotting yet but feeling really washed out.

Bootle I don't mind at all that you think my consultant is crap - he is! He admitted that he wasn't an expert in fertility so didn't know much about it.
I live on a Scottish Island and our hospital is quite small, we do get exceptional care but the medical expertise is not there and we often get the poorest quality locum consultants. Easy money for him swanning in grinning: "Good afternoon, well its not a good afternoon for you is it? etc etc etc". Absolute garbage. My previous Ob/Gyn left recently and is under investigation by the ombudsman for a botched hysterectomy.

Barking you were asking why I did IVF and I always questioned it myself. After 6 months on Clomid (mc 2 was from Clomid pregnancy) I was told by Ob/Gyn that he couldn't continue me on Clomid because there is a risk of cancer so the next step was a referral for IVF on the NHS. We waited months for the response and it came back saying we didn't meet the criteria. I had an inkling that they were stringing us along so had already set the wheels in motion for private IVF in Edinburgh. NHS Ob/Gyn said that if the IVF didn't work to come back and see him so I did and he said the only thing he could do for me would be ovarian drilling but I looked it up and decided it was inappropriate. I had a frozen embryo which implanted early this year and that was Mc 3.

I'd never really considered that the embryo would be chromosomal normal. I assumed that was the problem but the tests on product of conception were only testing to see if either of us had specific chromosomal disorders and that is what the result meant, that it was 'fine so we were 'fine'. I need to clarify this when i see OB/Gyn in July. I feel really ignorant about all this Blush.

I had it in my head because it's what I've been told by previous OB/Gyn the first time I mc'd that it's most likely that there was a chromosomal mishap at the exact time of conception so an embryo was never going to develop fully.

This is the first time I've actually seen an embryo. The first mc I had the scan at 8.5 weeks after a bleed and they said it was probably a blighted ovum and the gestational sac had stopped growing at 6.5 weeks. The second time the sac grew to 6.5 weeks I had a scan after a bleed at 8.5 weeks and there was only a yolk sac inside. The third time I mc'd before the scan so i don't know. This time the embryo grew to 7w+2d.

I've also made up of a 'to do' list to keep me going.

  1. Continue to be seen by crap Ob/Gyn just incase i need him.
  2. Ask for cytogenetic analysis on products of conception
  3. Ask GP to test me again for PCOS
  4. Research whether DH's Haemochromatosis can cause miscarriage
  5. Research whether my blood type Rh - can cause miscarriage
  6. Decide whether to go to Coventry/London for specialist help
  7. Ask for a copy of my medical notes.
  8. Clarify if we have actually been tested for Factor V Leiden as part of the antiphospholipid tests.

Anything else i should be adding to the list?

Sorry for the mega-post. This is the first time I've sat down and thought things through.

MorganLeFey · 05/06/2015 18:50

Congratulations, Longest. Beautiful name - it might be our DDs nickname once she's older.

So to be a bit me, me, me now - we went back to clinic for blood test results today & they're "normal". Pretty much whole thrombophilia/thyroid/NK shabang. This was pitched as good news - but I think I'd feel more reassured by X is wrong take Y rather than just try again & you could take aspirin & cyclogest from BFP. Maybe cyclogest would improve lining but given how much morning sickness I get I don't think my progesterone levels are low & if my clotting tests are all normal don't see what aspirin will do.
They agreed to do bloods/scan for probable PCOS in case that's a hormonal issue - kicking myself for not asking for this at the initial appointment as follow up for these won't be for 3 months!

I guess we'll TTC in the meantime - but feeling something obviously is wrong with me (even if the tests haven't shown it) to have 3 consecutive MCs & 2 of those just after heartbeats at 8 weeks & the last confirmed chromosomally normal. So really nerve wracking to do! Sad But will see if the private appointment is any more reassuring or offers anything else...