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Recurrent Buns Graduates - Pregnancy and Beyond

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Glitterybits · 06/07/2011 21:53

Thought it was about time we had a new home for all those lovely ladies who used to frequent the original Recurrent Buns thread, or anyone else who has been through the hideous journey of miscarriage, recurrent miscarriage, infertility, testing etc. and now finds themselves either pregnant and in need of hand-holding (or better yet) with their long-awaited bundle(s) of joy.

I know it perhaps seems a little inappropriate to start a thread in the miscarriage topic but it still seems the most relevant spot for those of us who haven't yet completed the journey - and nowhere else really seemed right or fair to everyone.

I do hope you'll come along and say hello. I do miss you all!

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mumatron · 07/01/2012 13:49

sf yep, die hard Magpie fan. not the easiest team to support when you live Hundreds of miles away!

Well, E's birthday was ok, she is still really unwell and is cutting some impressive back teeth so she is the grumpiest she has ever been :(

she was spoilt as usual and we did manage to have a decent meal out so it wasn't too bad.

we're having a cosy pyjama day today as she has been here, there and everywhere lately. time to put my feet up and chill for a little while.

laf how did the follow up scan go?

LAF77 · 07/01/2012 17:08

hello everyone, it is hard to believe that you all are celebrating first birthdays with your babies. Time sure has flown!

Back at work already lunatic ?

glad that your babies are better glittery

My scan was so-so. The sonographer said that they don't care where the cord is ATM. I wasn't a problem as far as they were concerned. However, my baby's stomach was off the charts, and she was a real cow to me. She kept repeating to me that "I must like cakes and biscuits" and said that the indications would be that I have GD. I was really upset about that. She made me feel like an out of control pig.

The consultant didn't seem too worried about it, but then asked me when I was doing the GTT. My CMW never told me to do a GTT. I assumed that because of the monitoring I was getting, I didn't have to do one. The consultant didn't seem to quite believe me that I didn't have the paperwork or a schedule for the test.

So, I had to do the GTT on Tuesday AM. I was quite anxious about the results. I called the hospital for the results the next day. They said they would get back to me, the whole week has come and gone, and no call. However, I called my GP surgery, and they told me that the results were normal.

I haven't sworn off all sugar, but I'm trying to scale back on sweet things.

DH thinks I overreacted and the sonographer wasn't too awful to me. I am very sensitive, especially being pg, and always ready to imagine the worst. The other 2 sonographers have always been very good to me, but not this one. We also had a little fallout a few days later when he told me that I needed another hobby as I spend too much time thinking about pregnancy.

Anti-D next week, and then the next scan in 2 weeks time!

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 07/01/2012 17:22

Hello all :)

mumatron glad E had a lovely birthday time has flown!

same for you too sf i think we all expect these soggy tissue moments when it suddenly dawns on us what we went through.

laf sorry the sonographer was a cowbag to you :( don't worry too muchabout the abdo measurements, they are renowned for being very innacurate. DS had a huge abdo measurement, i too had a normal GTT baby came out at a slightly higher than average 8lb 12. emded up meaning nothing.i spent my whole pregnancy thinking about pregnancy, i think its the hazard of the job so to speak.

We have DSs GOSH scan next week. tres nervous.

the boy is growing fast, seems to be mostly recovered from the bronchiolitis, and within one week has rolled over (from front to back) and done his first proper giggle (15 weeks now) [aww]

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 07/01/2012 17:24

Oh and i meant to say i had a soggy tissue moment too. I stupidly watched obem. i was preg last time it was on and this weeks one was a forceps which made me feel so sad remembering all the emotions i was feeling at the time - mainly fear - and i could see it all over again in my minds eye. :(

stillfrazzled · 08/01/2012 10:29

Mumatron, did your DP raise the roof again at the third goal? It went very very quiet round here... Am taking precaution of taking the DSs out during this afternoon's cup tie.

Glad E's birthday was nice, despite teething. I note she's as quick with that as everything else! F has a grand total of two teeth. Cute as hell, but TBH for all the 'teething' he's done, a fairly poor show IMHO. Grin

Lunatic as ever, you are wise and I will take your advice next year. I have been trying to think of a way of saying I feel a bit Blush about wittering about a cruddy time which is now over, when your 'wobbles' are about Daisy and an unimaginable loss, without sounding utterly crass and I'm-all-right-Jack. And now I'm both wittering and choked up thinking about it. Please forgive me if that sounded half as stupid as I fear it did.

And eeek! on going back to work. I hope it works out as well for you as it seems to be working for us - I'm knackered all the time and trying not to think of the logistics as they're terrifying, but actually really enjoying myself. What sort of hours are you doing?

LAF really glad to hear all your results are OK, but sympathy for having had such a stressful time. TBH the sonographer might have been trying to be chatty and just crap at it, but I don't think there's any such thing as a relaxed medical experience when you've joined the MC Club.

Of course your hobby is this pregnancy! As if you're not going to think about it. Not saying distractions aren't a good thing, but I don't think a certain amount of obsessing is avoidable until you're holding the baby. Which you will. Smile

Coconuts you're right, I get misty now thinking about what we've been through - prob because up to now, have been too busy going through it! Am thinking will draw line in the sand and stop indulging myself with it once we're past his coming home from hospital date (Jan 24).

Yay for your DS, and bet your heart melted at the first giggle. Baby laughter is the most gorgeous sound there is. Fx for the scan.

Am grabbing half an hour to MN because DH at the gym, DS1 playing with his railway and F asleep. So ignoring housework and all prep for work and school tomorrow, which I may regret later.

Wibbling slightly because we have F's operation date through (did I ever mention he has a little ear tag - we call it his 'bobble'?). It has to be removed under general anaesthetic. I do think it prob ought to come off, but I'm not entirely happy about voluntarily putting him under GA after everything we've been through. It feels like tempting fate somehow. Is that mad?

Waves to Glittery et al. Hope all well x

Julezboo · 09/01/2012 20:50

Very belated Happy New Year to all Blush

frazzled mumatron hope F and E had fabulous birthdays!!

justme I think of you often, please dont worry that you dont pop by more often, come and go as you feel you need/want too :) Sending you hugs my lovely.

coconuts Reading your posts takes me back to this time last year when I was going through the same. How many weeks are you now? Did they give the nod for the cs? Try to not to worry too much, My GTT was clear, I was carrying a lot of fluid too, even when he was born they questioned my GTT results as he was 7lb 3 FIVE weeks early!

glittery hope you and yours had a lovely christmas and you are all better now?

Laf how are you doing?

I did disappear for a while as I name changed to post something in AIBU and then didnt get a chance to get on laptop again for a few weeks and was using phone so stuck with that name up until now!

Christmas was a quiet one, well, as quiet as it can be with 3 excited boys in the house! Still struggling with DS2, DS1 and I have a hospital appt on wed to do a final report and get an official diagnosis. and STILL awaiting an appt for allergy testing for Oliver.

Sleep is still lacking in this house and tbh bedtimes are just one big stupid battle atm and its driving me insane. IF i manage to settle Oliver to sleep, DS2 creates merry hell and it takes two hours of screaming, taking back to bed to get him to settle and then poor DS1 has to wait till DS2 is asleep to go to bed as they share a room, so come 9pm i feel like sitting in the corner and crying! O is still night waking for feeds, despite also having 4 8oz in the day now, breakfast - snack, lunch and fruit pot, snack, dinner, fruit pot and then a bowl of porridge/weetabix before bed! I think its down to teething though as he is getting back teeth (has 11/12 all together now) and he did sleep through for about a week a long time ago (distant memory!)

Despite that he is coming on in leaps and bounds, been walking since 9/10 months so is actually pretty good on his feet now, climbs n scales anything he possible can, can actually climb off sofa/bed backwards, and points to stuff as well as waving bye bye, quite good with the phone as well, will put to his ear and shout "ahhh" no words yet though which is concerning me, he does say mamam but this actually means milk....

Anyway, I opened netbook to do party food list. My baby turns one on saturday Shock how did that happen so quickly? and im getting broody Ssshh!!!

Love to all and waves to anyone I missed :)

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 10/01/2012 10:03

julez you have been MIA for far too long my love! Grin at how many weeks am I!!! DS was born on 22nd Sept! :) :)

The fluid was a huge problem for me. I'll give you a quick run down - My hospital was shit, told me not to worry, I changed hospital at 36 weeks, new hospital admitted me within an hour of seeing me. Was induced at 38weeks, ARM in theatre as too dangerous to do it normally as AFI was up to 36 and I was measuring 48cm!

I lost 6cm when the waters went and the theatre staff had to change their scrubs as they were soaked! It was bad and very dangerous apparently. My risk of prolapse was huge as the head was no where near the brim of my pelvis. DS born 8lb 12 by forceps in theatre. Two trips to theatre within 7 hours wasn't good for my mental state!

So now Julez is back up to date LOL...

What's the consensus on weaning? I'm not arsed with all the BLW stuff, I'm a puree person. DS is only 16 weeks this week but is bloody starving all the time, started waking up 7 times in the night (used to go thru night from 8 weeks old so very abnormal for him) and due to the bronchiolitis he can't tolerate huge quantities of milk. Would it be totally unreasonable to stick some baby rice in him with his bedtime feed? I need sleep so badly. I have eye bags down to my chin :( Not going to the HV because I don't really like HVs, I only go to get him weighed due to his hole in his heart.

Glitterybits · 10/01/2012 11:17

Hello you lovely lot. Hope 2012 has started as well as it possibly can for you all. Trying to find 5 mins to post is easier said than done at the moment. I spend most of the time dashing around aimlessly, getting distracted by half-finished jobs while the washing piles up.

I cannot believe there are now 1-year-old babies on this thread. Almost makes me broody. No, scratch that. The very thought of being pg again makes me feel utterly panic-stricken! Grin Babies are so lovely though....
One of my good friends has just reached the 13 week mark after IVF. I cried with relief and I can't even type it without welling up. I very much doubt I'll ever view pg in a normal way ever again. I know the whole process is amazing, but I view every successful one as a complete miracle these days.

mumatron Glad E had a nice birthday. It doesn't seem two minutes since you had her. Hope you are all well at that end aside from the teething.

frazzled I doubt there is a single one of us on this thread who doesn't have wobbly moments/ hours/ days/ weeks! I occasionally have nightmares where DD has been taken away from me and sometimes, when I'm having a particularly shouty Mummy day, I feel awful because I think I should be feeling lucky to have them 100% of the time. Of course that isn't realistic, but I'm still a bit surprised that she's here and terrified that something might happen to her or to DS. I was so blissfully ignorant the first time around and I kind of envy those who just get pregnant and have babies, but at the same time, I'm half glad for the wobbly moments, because they remind me just how important and loved these babies are. Everything crossed for the bobble removal - and, no - you aren't mad for worrying about tempting fate. Just very, very normal. Grin It will all be fine though.

Lunatic Lots of proud vibes heading your way. Going back to work must have been terrifying. Hope you're settling in and it's getting a bit easier now. I'm much more reluctant to leave DD. I'm not sure what I think could possibly happen to her, or why I am any better equipped to care for her than anyone else who loves her. I seem to be doing the neurotic first-time mother thing second time around! I think it was frazzled who said someone had commented on the fact that she was softer on the youngest DC and I can see myself doing the same thing. It's not that I love DS any less, it's just that it wasn't so much of a struggle, nay battle, to bring him into the world. I can see why outsiders might view it as favouritism though. I can't seem to stop second guessing everything I do now I've got them both.

LAF Just grrrr at sonographers who clearly haven't made allowances for those of us who are usually beside ourselves at scans like this. It really annoys me when they obviously haven't done their research into your history. I know they don't have to, but it'd be good if they could at least take care with what they say, when any negative comment is likely to send the likes of us to the funny farm. I found it difficult not to just leg it at my scans, so I'm sorry you had a rubbish experience. If it's any consolation, I always measured too big for dates and wasn't even offered the GTT, despite her stomach being on the big side too. It's not the most accurate of sciences though. Try not to worry too much. Oh, and I think you're entitled to the odd overreaction at this stage of your life. Grin

Julez I am having similar bedtime battles as mine share a room. Oddly, it's not the going to sleep bit that is the issue, but the fact that DD wakes up every 2 hours to be fed and DS is disturbed by her. I know these things are relatively short-lived, but sleep deprivation is a bit of a killer isn't it?

Coconuts I've just started weaning DD. Well, actually I tried at the beginning of December (when she was 4 months and not quite ready), left it a while and then revisited it this month when she seemed a bit more up for it. I've also given in and accepted that the odd bit of formula here and there can only do us both more good than harm, if it means DH can do some of the feeds while I try and get some sleep. Like your DS, she wakes so much for a feed, but I think it's because she has a small tummy and can't take on too much at any one time. I guess there is the argument that it could be for comfort or because of teething etc. but she always takes a feed when it's offered. It was a real struggle for me to relinquish complete control, when the feeding bit has been solely down to me so far. Having said that, now I've started there is a bit of relief in the sense that I can see a bit of freedom on the horizon again. I've barely been able to take 2 hours out to go to aerobics as she's never really established a proper routine. I've just fed her on demand. I'm going down the puree route. For some reason I feel the need to do everything properly this time and I'm not really on board with the whole BLW thing. I'm too nervous to branch out from fruit/ veg puree and porridge so far because it's taking her quite a while to get the hang of swallowing. I honestly can't remember what I did with DS, but I seem to recall him guzzling everything I offered him from the outset and I did top him up with rice in his milk because he was polishing off more than double the amount of milk in the daily guidelines. I don't think it's unreasonable to feed your baby a bit of rice if he seems hungry. You're his Mummy and I'm a firm believer in instincts being the way forward, provided you aren't giving them something they can't digest.
Please send my love to justmee when you next speak to her. I am thinking about her all the time.

Love to you all. x

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ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 11/01/2012 18:32

DSs great ormand street appointment went really well, traffic in london was terrible so we got there before the doctor did lol

he said the hole is relatively small, no treatment needed, follow up in a years time, there is some membrane near it that will hopefully encourage the hole to close :) really relieved.

And he loves the baby rice glittery Grin

mumatron · 11/01/2012 21:53

yay coconuts great news.

justmee · 17/01/2012 18:35

hi all

sorry long time no speak dont really know what to say anymore on here :S i thank every single one of you for all your kind comments and that you think of me it really means alot

i have bad days and very bad days not alot of good day at the moment i find on a night time i get in a bit of a state i find walking past his door heart breaking when he was in hosital and id sit next to him and hold his hand and say to him please dont leave mummy ever because i cant breath without you but some how i am i dont know how i really dont i dont no how i get up sometimes.I have manages to stop going to his grave every single day now i go every other day half of me still doesnt belive hes there it doesnt want to.Moving home was hard to a home where we planned to have our son here a room full of his toys clothes cot and yet hes not there and he will never be there i will never see him again all i have left are memorys such short memorys.

Weell the other news is i cant remmeber if i told you all but we was having some tests done on ourselfs i had some done for lupus and some other things i cant remmeber them all but they came back clear i had 4 more to do which is mthfr and a few more anyway the doctor told us that im being over the top and these tests arnt nessesery i told him i didnt belive him and theres got to be a link why i mc so much and then had a baby with heart defect and esopoghus problem he told me these things happen infact 2 out of 5 births have something wrong with them most are fixable ie hernias ect but the other are mostly to do with heart and defects so he said for these tests he didnt want to refer me as its unessaray so i asked to go private for them they want 400 pound for each test so thats 16000 pounds! its stupid now my head is all over the place as to do i need them are there links to them causing chds my old doctor who was really good has left which im devestated about.This new doctor told us when we went about 3 weeks ago that i had to wait 6 months before i could try ( 6 months after c section) then as we walked out the door this time he went well you can try again because everything has returned to normal and i wanted to slap him round the face and say do you even know what your saying 1 time i have to wait now i dont have to and never asked me how i felt! pftt i somtimes want a baby and want to try but other days i feel bad for thinking it and think people will judge me and say im trying to replace kaan and i would never do that a baby will never replace him ever the love i have for him no one could come close and i would never want anyone to think that of me i think it would hurt me so much.When kaan was 1st taken to hospital one thing that really upset me was the town where i lived everyone said it was my fault and that i stressed to much in my pregnancy and didnt eat enough and walked to much ect ect and i belived it and i use to cry myself to sleep thinking it was me untill my hubby told the doctor and he told me i was stuipd and that nothing could have stopped this or prevented this from happeneing but if people stgarted saying that it would crush me :(

coconut i forgot to tell you i red on kaan death certifcate and it says konjenital which means congenital so now im thinking does that mean its genectic and freaking out again :S

thankyou all again and so sorry for my hugee message

love to you all xxxxx

mumatron · 17/01/2012 19:45

justmee congenital just means that the condition was there at birth (or very close after) it does not mean it is genetic.

I can understand the need you feel to have all these tests done. I felt the same, although the circumstances were different.

Still thinking of you and Kaan. xx

justmee · 17/01/2012 20:00

Another thing confusing me when they say it could be genetic we had genetic tresting for our mcs (chromosomes).so does that mean we are ok in that?? i just dont know what to do about tests ect he said weve had the most important test the cromosomes and that it doesnt mean it will be genetic but me googling has gone and started off something else now coz someone wrote if you have a baby with more than 2 problems its genetic so now im thinking is there another genetic test :S although my doc never said xxxx

mumatron · 17/01/2012 20:48

First of all stop googling for a while. I know how hard it is and that you just want to know exactly what is going on, but right now you need some head space from all the medical stuff. Even if it's just a day or two.

Could you list which tests you have already had? Then see what is left to do. I think there is only one kind of chromosome test and if that was clear I really think you will be ok on that front.

justmee · 17/01/2012 21:31

i know i was bann from google but to be honest my head such a mess and not knowing why this happened is eating away at me my doctor was rubbish last time he just made me feel like i was making it up i have days where i blame myself even tho i dont know why if you get me :( ...

yes my list of tests are -

baring in mind its all in turkish so ill translate it and then hope its right .

-genetic ( diagnosis of genetic diseases) - then on it is our chomosomes in little pictures all say normal -mıne-46 xx hubbys-46xy

-antithrombin
-lupus
-protien c+s
-aktive protien
theres another on here but i cannot work out what an earth its says its a sqiggle that starts with an :S

the only one iv got left is trombofili then iv had all the tests done.

thankyou xxxx

Julezboo · 18/01/2012 11:19

justme I had no idea re: results or genetics, but wanted to send you hugs and hold handing. I cant imagine how hard it is for you xx

Just a quick post from me.

We found out yesterday that my poor baby O is Partially deaf :( We dont know the reason why yet and he will be recalled in a month and a plan of action taken from there, but its likely he has full Glue ear in his Left ear, they got no results from it yesterday. He failed his newborn test but then passed the next one just about so I wasnt ever worried about it :( I feel so sad for him..

mumatron · 18/01/2012 11:26

julez :( poor O. I'm not familiar with glue ear but is there anything that can be done with that? i remember the absolute terror I felt when E failed her hearing test in the hospital.

stillfrazzled · 18/01/2012 11:28

justmee I know nothing about any of the medical things happening to you, so can't be any help on that front. The one thing I do know is that it isn't your fault and anyone who says anything even hinting that is an idiot, and not to be listened to under any circumstances.

Even if the problem stems from something in your genes, or your DH's, it isn't your fault. What could you have done? How could you have known?

And of course you're not trying to replace Kaan. He was special and unique and irreplaceable. If you ever feel ready for another child - and I can well understand the desperation for some medical answers to give you confidence in trying - that baby will be special and unique, too.

God I hope this doesn't sound patronising. You're in so much pain right now, and I do remember needing a reason or something to blame - even if it was me. But please try not to do that to yourself.

stillfrazzled · 18/01/2012 11:31

x-post with Julez and mumatron - oh, no. Like mumatron I don't know about glue ear, really hope something can be done. Poor little chap.

Julezboo · 18/01/2012 11:41

They have said if no change next month he will be fitted with a temp hearing aid until hes old enough to have grommet surgery (around 2 yrs)

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 18/01/2012 16:29

julez my brother had severe glue ear and had grommets fitted twice, spoeech therapy and a set of T-tubes. He's perfectly fine now :)

stillfrazzled · 18/01/2012 18:52

Coconuts, meant to say - yay scan, and if you still need gripe water I f found a new bottle this morning.

LAF77 · 18/01/2012 22:05

justmee sending lots of love your way. No one has the right to judge you and think that you are replacing your son. It isn't true.Kaan will never be replaced in your heart, but you have the capacity to love another child. He will always be part of your family.

I am way out of my depth when it comes to advice for you, but both my husband and I had kariotyping blood tests done after my 3rd MC. They tried to analyse the embryo, but couldn't. They took bloods from each of us to study the chromosomes to see if there was an incompatibility between us. It came back clear. Sad to say, but there are random mutations that happen. It doesn't mean that it will happen again.

Were you diagnosed with Antiphospholipid Antibodies? I seem to remember that you were taking clexane/heparin during your pregnancy. I can't see how any autoimmune or thrombophilia issues would have caused any of Kaan's problems. I don't see how they could be related. If you have those issues, you would struggle to carry a baby to term, but that wasn't the case for you. However, I'm not a doctor.

I hope that each day brings some comfort to you.

coconuts I'm glad to hear that the appointment went well. Thanks for sharing your story with me about your situation that seems similar to mine. I seem to have normal levels of amniotic fluid, but I feel like I must be retaining a lot of water. I've drunk at least 3.5 litres of fluid today.

glittery thanks for your permission to allow me to fly off the handle :-) about the sonographer.

frazzled when is F's operation? Not surprised that you are upset about GA.

julez you have your hands full for sure! Now you have O's hearing to contend with. I'm sorry to read about it and wishing him a successful procedure to help him hear.

lunatic hope that your first full week at work was OK.

I have another scan next Friday at 32 weeks, I can scarcely believe I've come this far, so we will see if he still has huge abdominal measurements or it was just a growth spurt. I was convinced I had obstetric cholestasis as I had some bad itchy patches on my legs. The bloods came back clear and diprobase has taken away the itch where everything else has failed. I had high white blood cells in my urine, so they are checking that out to make sure I don't have a UTI. It can be exhausting worrying all the time, so I will try to stop. Hopefully, the next scan will put my mind at rest and I can relax, ha ha.

Baby was very sweet today at the MW check-up. He tried to kick away the doppler 3 times when she put it on my belly! I think he's not keen on that MW either!

justmee · 24/01/2012 16:08

i wrote out a massive message a few days ago but somehow it never posted :S i kept coming on to check if anyone had wrote back and then realised my message wasnt there oops :S

well i cant really remember everything i said..

laff yes i was on clexane they didnt test me for antibodies they just tried it to see if it worked and it looked like it did :S i have been asking a few people on some other sites most of them have had all there tests come and come back clear iv met 2 people who had babies with hlhs thts not what kaan had but they said hlhs has been linked to mthfr is it ? :S but then my son didnt have tht so that doesnt really aplly for me i guess im just confused what to do and scared .... im sure ill figure it out thanks for all your replys will kee in touch

love to all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

stillfrazzled · 27/01/2012 22:38

Hi all, posting briefly from hospital because my weekend away with dh has turned into a sleepless night with a feverish F, a temperature of 40 and a day in hospital.

Which became a night in hospital after F had a convulsion. Apparently v common but I thought he was dying. Hideous.

Hoping to go home tomorrow but can't be sure.

Love to all and keep fingers crossed...