The virtual girls' holiday in Ibiza thread - moving on from mc with or without ttc but with plenty of wine and virtual all night dancing

[freelancegirl]

Ok ok I succumbed to peer pressure to create the thread. This is a place for some of us (and anyone else who wants to join) who have been through the downs of mc and are ready for brighter days and a place to chat nonsense away from the How Are You Feeling Post MC thread. The How Are You Feeling thread should still survive, especially for those newly going through the process, but here we can move on to hopefully brighter days.

Really (newly minted with a BFP and therefore the first of the group to be properly ttc) can kick us off with her no doubt filthy dalliance with a Geology student (was it?) in Crete and we can all pretend we are in a girls' holiday in Ibiza. Grab a glass of sparkly and plonk your (this is virtual so we can look exactly as we want to) toned bikini bodied bum on a bar stool! xx

IC Oh got heaven's sake, we're all on tenterhooks. It's like a really good story line in a soap opera, although since you're in Spain it would have to be Eldorado . Can we courier you a test? Surely you'd have to do it then? Can you send us some wee and we can test it for you?

Oh I like children at weddings, they usually make the dance floor double the fun. What I hate is weddings with loads of boring 60 year olds talking about double glazing. I liked your compromise, IC it sounds perfect.

I have just joined the updiffed thread, so I can have a freak out there and have fun here. Why does it feel like I'm having an affair?

Off to post 'my thread doesn't understand me, the magic has gone and the sex is non-existent' on my new sparkling thread .

I loved Eldorado! It was filmed near my home town and I knew all the extras in it. I reckon, had I not already defected to England to shack up with my boyfriend at a terribly young age, I would have been in it too. Just do the damn test IC :)

I haven't eaten meat for 11 years (DH has been a veggie for 30 years! Started off as full veggie but moved to fish around 20 years ago). I do eat fish so I am not a full veggie and try not to call myself a veggie just in case I offend the thoroughbreds. As a travel so much it would just been too much of a arse. And I have fished before so I justify to myself that although I wouldn't kill, say, a cow, a would be able to knock off a fish. But this is not very deep thinking I know. So I say I am a non-meat eater.

I like reading the newly updiffed threads so I will keep an eye out for you Really. Gosh you might be a totally different person on there! I met this guy on a work trip last year who spoke loads of languages really fluently. We had a little chat in Spanish and I pointed out to him that the Spanish persona was a completely different character. He was surprised he hadn't noticed it before and we ascertained (it was a long night of heavy drinking in a bar in Athens) that that was probably why his relationships (all with women he spoke to in other languages) didn't really work out.

Sorry I didn't respond to LIG either. LIG keep us updated about your crappy SIL. Have you tried visiting the relationship threads? They are brilliant reading. It's more like the Godfather than a soap opera on some of them.

Kids at weddings - I don't mind them in other people's but didn't have them at mine. One flower girl who is 11, but I was quite pressured into having her there! She was as good as gold and is very used to hanging around with a lot of adults but it did mean her mum went home earlier than everyone else and my idea was a huge party. Have I shown you the blog of my wedding? IC has seen it? It looked pretty :) and I wanted a big, late party so it worked well. I couldn't have afforded to invite all my friends toddlers (I enquired and a kids meal was £30 a head!) but would have been happy with babies. As it was, the only baby around was my bridesmaid's and she brought her mum over to Spain to babysit and left her all day. She did have one crisis when her breasts were leaking, the batteries gone on her pump and she found herself trying to manually milk herself in the loo but other than that was fine Her decision not to bring the baby to the day, she was soon going back to work full time after that and it was thought as good practice for the mum (who is now chief child carer when friend is at work).

DH and I still skiving off work and going out now for 'breakfast'. Went back to bed until 11 am :)

On reflection I am wondering if my wedding story makes it seem like myself and friends are all heartless people, ready to ditch their kids at a moment's notice and disappear off to Spain! But it didn't feel like that at the time. I think everyone was quite pleased for the adult only break. And everyone came! I think all the kids were of an age that the parents thought was ok to leave them. A couple of people brought kids, made a week or more holiday of it and got babysitters for the day. What is an acceptable age to leave your kids for a weekend? I guess it is all down to personal feelings.

I think we were much more lax about childcare when I was a kid. I remember many babysitting jobs from the age of 10 upwards when people would come to Spain on holiday and ask around for local kids to look after theirs. I can't imagine people would do that now. I can't imagine anyone would leave their kids with me now I am 36, let alone 10

Quite remarkable really, getting 80 people over to Spain. Considering there had been ash cloud problems and BA strikes. A few weeks before mine almost half of one wedding couldn't attend because of the ash cloud. And the week before mine half of another wedding had all been arrested! Such is the Costa Del Crime...The bride was furious though.

Free I bet your wedding was great fun. Any wedding where the bridesmaid is hand expressing in the loo gets a thumbs up from me . Why were the guests at the other wedding arrested, sounds fantastic!

Am feeling sad, a woman on the updiffed thread has been told she may be losing her twins, sounds so awful.

Am staying here.

I just realised I didn't reply to your revealing something every day about ourselves comment. I think that is a great idea, having gone straight to intimate minutiae of our lady bits we have missed things like I like reading and my favour colour is red.

Apart from not eating meat, er... I can't think of anything else! I am a bit of an open book. No mystery with me, that was always my problem when meeting new boyfriends I think, back in the day.

I've always wondered what we would do with a child in terms of eating meat, IC, so it's interesting to see that DD is veggie so far. How does that work when she eats at other people's houses or at parties? Do you tell them in advance?

I read the post on the updiffed thread about Dachs and the twins. I can't work out how far gone she is, can you? It's awful. Hope there is some good news. Things seem to be going ok for Harassed which is good, she was on the MC threads for a while. I just saw another one we 'know' posting a about having a bit of a bleed though on the pregnancy boards. It's all so worrying isn't it. Especially as we all seem proactive people (hence why we come to sites like this to see if we can learn anything!) but in any threatened mc situation it seems there is really nothing we can do.

The other wedding's arrests were down to drugs I think. My wedding planner (we needed one in Spain to organise paperwork etc) had organised that wedding too and around half of the tables had been arrested the night before. Imagine how awful that would be for the bride and groom! For a start all the organisation, seating, money...

I'm reading and lurking as on phone and at work! Guys you are sooo chatty this morning! Freelance: did you not go to bed then? I think just like they have threads for ante natal, conception and stuff, we all need to be away from the mc forum now. All suggestions welcome. We are all in a much better place now. But we should call ourselves the friendly bunch from march/April or something like that! We could be slightly exclusive as well if we wanted! Or not? We should put it to the vote. But we are definitely posting in a grim place- from which I'm absolutely certain we've all moved on from. Sure we feel a bit low sometimes, but doesn't everyone? Free - I'll leave it in your capable hands to deal with the practicalities of this. We've had our jollies now, find us a permanent safe haven: where Really and FX IC and others waiting to ttc, and those who like us are grateful to be like our normal selves again- will feel comfortable. :-) hope I've not spoken out of turn. It's just as we're such a close group, it would be sad to lose this friendly place where we talk about EVERYTHING! x

Diamonds Sounds like it might be time to move if everyone feels ready to move. Does everyone else want to move too? But to where? We are the nomads of MN. Yup, as always I leave the decision to Free since at some point I gladly seemed to hand over my FreeWill to her. If she ever sets up a cult, I'll be the first one handing over all my worldly possessions and dancing naked around the fire.

Afternoon all.

Thanks IC, that all makes sense re antibios. Feeling a bit better today, was a shock seeing red blood again, have taken today off work but will head back in tomorrow because being at home is actually quite boring! I will add to the general clamour of test, test, test!

Really still chuckling over the traffic light pants! And congrats to Free on your Guiness World Record, you must be so proud. Your wedding sounds fun. Haven't had a wedding myself yet but think I'll be 50/50 on it. Have tons of friends with children and like to see them but know that some parents like to use a wedding as an excuse to escape.

And my useless piece of info about myself - I really don't like mushrooms. Or Blue Cheese.

How can you not like mushrooms? Mind you I remember once hearing someone didnt like baked beans. Blue cheese I can understand. I actually have a food dislike confession. I am almost ashamed to admit it. It flies in the face of my carefully crafted principles and singles me out as not mediterranean enough, not middle class enough and definitely not cool enough. Deep breath: try as I might I cannot bring myself to like olives. Before you de-thread me and cross my name out from your miscarriage card list can I redeem myself in any way by the fact that I do like hummus? Am on the train to London after a really lovely cafe breakfast around midday- an avocado melt and freshly squeezed juice. Am thinking carefully about a new thread. We need to name it together before we move on. Are we going to put it in conception? Will everyone soon be planning to ttc? How about the Travelling Hopefully bus? Although I cant think of any suitable subtext. Maybe we won't actually have any subtext. What can the first post say?? If we map it out here first I will take a deep breath and start it. If you can forgive me for the olive thing of course.

A postcard from your correspondent in Beijing!

Hello all. I have only managed to skim-read but the essentials seem to be hurray to really, really chuffed for you and - get on with it, fingers crossed IC. I hope that covers it plus a big mwah mwah to everyone else.

Having a fab time here in China, drinking cocktails with a view over Tiananmen Square and mooching around temples etc. Most of all great to get to the end of the day and realise that I haven't thought about mc's or molars all day. Off to stay in a posh hotel near the Great Wall tomorrow.

Hope you are all ver ver well. x Bed time.

I just don't like the texture, bit slimy, they taste damp. I know, it's odd. The baked beans thing is worse though. The olives thing is a revelation though. Apparently you have to try at least 8 before you like them. Your hummus and avocado liking gets you through in my book.

Even though I've only been here a little while, I'm just going to stalk follow you ladies wherever you go, if that's OK. I will certainly be travelling hopefully at some point and can go and moan elsewhere when I need to.

I think we can pretty much forgive you anything/everything for holding it all together for us dearest Free. I LOVE humous, Avocadoes, roasted veg WITH olives and feta cheese in a wrap for lunch! Don't like beer or blue cheese- sorry!
In relation to new thread, should be somewhere in conception. Those of us waiting ttc can state that. I think most of us DO want to ttc at some point: which is why the losses we unfortunately suffered were all the more poignant. But please do put it to the vote! Need to get back to work!
Much love to all. X

And crosspost free - please can the next thread title not be about ttc because I can't yet and it's so nice to come on a thread that doesn't just talk about that all the time (although I know it obsesses most of us, me included). Pretty please?

Thats precisely WHY it needs to be put to the vote. Artifarti has summed it up beautifully. We don't have to talk about ttc, just wanted to get all this jovial talk and light hearted chat and humour to be in a better place. Shame there's no other place which seems appropriate. Or is there? There should be a place - begs the question: under which umbrella term if not conception then? Come on Free: do what you're good at! :-)

Health? Style and beauty? Relationships? In the news? ( news with a difference: OUR NEWS) cmon Free make your mind up! or just conception then?

Hello Beijing! Have a cocktail or ten for us. Can't wait to hear all about it. Ok so the thread plan is coming together. We want to move on from the miscarriage section but no it won't be all about ttc as some of us-me included - can't or won't be ttc for a bit. I think conception might be the best place for it but will have a browse later when at home xx

How about CHAT: that seems a good place. But think of a good title!

Cross posts diamonds , good thinking though. Will have a think!

Maybe if we're undecided we could migrate to CHAT, until we're ready to go to conception?!? Bearing in mind that Really belongs in PREGNANCY. We can all obviously go to other threads where we feel we belong like CONCEPTION. but CHAT could help us keep the bond that we like?! Who knows, back to work! I am such a procrastinator.

Good luck Freelance!

Arti Hello! So lovely to hear from you, are you still glad you didn't book Centreparcs? Can't even begin to imagine what China must be like, write more!

I always feel obliged to write exclamation marks when someone is far away, it's the equivalant to shouting down a phone, I suppose.

Free I don't like olives much either, but I do have an olive rule. As far as i have worked out, the cheaper the oliver the nicer it is. I like the Crespo olives in tins, and that's after years of pretending to like the posh ones in the deli. I don't like milk, but I don't think that's uncommon. Or licorice. licorice stuffed olives in milk, don't even go there.

Shall we go somewhere really random, like the gardening section?

Shell I like mushrooms, I will eat the ones you discard.

Diamonds I want that sandwich.

X-Posts. After today's foray away from this thread, nowhere is safe. I am sticking with you lot until I'm 95. Come on Free We are your chosen people, lead us away from the red sea!

Hello Arti! Impressed that you've managed to post from China, hope you're having a great time.

Really I agree with your olive rule, I like the cheap Tesco prepackaged ones. You can happily have all my mushrooms and I'll have your milk. I'll leave the licorice though.

Anyone else think we should go to Food???

Quick post as I am trying to work very hard today....what about good housekeeping? Me and the DH decided to try and blitz the flat this weekend as the last month or so we have both been very bad at doing anything and it was looking horrible. I could then combine chatting to you guys with learning how to be a good dutiful wife who looks after her husband's needs!

Here it is! Come with me and let's get going:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1216050-The-Travelling-Hopefully-Bus