Recurrent Buns - MC Testing and Beyond... Part 4...!!!

[Julezboo]

Gosh we can chat ladies!!!

Part one HERE

Part two HERE

Part three HERE

List

STARTING TESTING

LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 27 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct
2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear - although high prolactin level found. Waiting for appointment at RMC with consultant, and wanting to be referred to St Mary's.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. Bloods taken from me and DH at hospital at last MC and awaiting results on baby from PM.
IGGI2011 - Age 40, 3 year old DS. 3 MC last year, at 6, 8 and 8 weeks. Last two had hb detected. Having bloods taken by obs soon.

UNDERGOING TREATMENT

CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, currently waiting one more cycle before TTC. Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.

TTC

MUMMYABROAD Age 35, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 Cycle 1
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.4 - 3MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. Awaiting clotting & karyotyping results, under consultant care for rmc. Mild pcos. Currently TTC.
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells

PREGNANT

LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, pg #5 section booked for 9th Feb @ 35wks. On 150mg aspirin daily.
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks.
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks - growth stopped at 7), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus.
HAIRYFAIRYLIGHTS
HAIRYCLAREYFAIRY

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!

STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction and currently in Special Care Baby Unit.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

Will do a catch up post now...

[mumatron]

good luck today lf

Julez you are in charge of keeping us updated today, i hope you have no plans other than refreshing facebook at regular intervals

claire the tests i had done are these although they have added the nk cell biopsy one since i was there.

to everyone else. Im crap at keeping up but i do keep an eye on the thread daily. congrats to bfps and hello to any newbies.

[mumatron]

claire here is the prices for those tests.

[Julezboo]

Wahh its wednesday!!

Good luck lunatic Will be thinking of you all day!!!

mumatron have already been refreshing FB alot :o !! I am stuck in today waiting for matresses to be delivered so will be here until around 5pm refreshing :)

[mumatron]

thanks julez it's soo exciting!

[ClaireDeLoon]

Lunatic hope you're OK and reasonably calm and it all goes well later :o I'm very excited on your behlaf and can't wait to hear how it went.

mumatron thanks for those links! I shan't click on them while at work but will have a look tonight. Did you have to pay for the tests rather than NHS?

Waves to everyone else.

I just milkyway's description of what is involved with being induced and I need a lie own with my legs my firmly crossed as it's made me feel faint! ;)

[mumatron]

claire you should be able to get those tests done on nhs for free (except nk cells). my consultant (private one) advised me to take a list of the tests to my gp and see if they would do any themselves. my regular gp said no but its always worth a shot.

[ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts]

Thinking of you lunatic :)

julez keep that FB up to date!

[JugglingMama]

Hello! Ah , how lovely to see someone about to have a baba, after all the traumas. Good luck lunatic , well done..Hope we all make it that far. Thanks for the nice comments also.

[ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts]

Have posted on you thread lunatic Keeping MN open all day for an update.

Just came on for a bit of a vent. Having a tearful and negative day. Very sick this morning and have retched so much I have given myself a headache. I have had nothing to eat or drink so far today. I just can't face anything.

And to top it all off, my Dr's secretary has just called and I don't need to go next week after all. No action needs to be taken regarding my blood results and my file has been sent back to the library. And then she says "if this pregnancy doesn't work out Dr will be happy to see you again" I really didn't need that seed planting today of all days. I have visitors coming this afternoon so need to pretend I feel fabulous. I have no bread for DD's lunch so she is just eating a sausage roll and an orange

Fucking shit day.

[justmee]

lovely bunch

Chin up hun everything is looking good and being sick if deffo a good sign :) altho its may be gross its deffo worth it for the end result

A sausage roll and an orange woww!! i wud swope for a sausage roll i havnt eaten one in 6 years :) i cud send you some turkish bread and you send me a sausage roll hehe :DDD

Dont worry about docs half most of them have hearts like steal i think it gets me all the time but who caress were there to proove them wrong :)

GOOD LUCK LUNATIC NOW GOING TO CHECK THE THREAD ALL THE BEST :))))))))) EXCITING STUFF XXXXX

[ClaireDeLoon]

lovelybunch big hugs and what a cow of a secretary to say something like that in such a trivial way. Put it behind you and move on. Hope the sickness improves a little and you can manage to eat/drink something

[ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts]

Thanks justmee and claire I have had an apple and some lemon water but I can feel it churning around.

justmee They were homemade sauasge rolls that DH made. They were super yummy! What is Turkish bread like? Hope you're not too annoyed at your appointment being changed.

claire Yes she was very matter of fact but I suppose working in a gynae ward she is used to it and desensitised to it. I hope she never has to go through this.

I called my EPU to see if I could arrange a scan but they don't do early scans here unless you are bleeding etc. So looks like I have to wait til 12 weeks. Tick flaming tock!

[justmee]

hmm my mouth ıs wateralready coconuts turkish bread is lovely i do love the bread here :D

No not to gutterd but i am still peeved off because its another day of worrying! :((((

[ClaireDeLoon]

lovelybunch go see your GP - mine referred me for a scan last time (after two consecutive miscarriages) as soon as I went to see him. You may find your GP refers you. I assume that the EPU have to give you a scan if the GP has referred you.

justmee when is your next scan?

[justmee]

claire my next scan is friday im crapping myself im worried out of my head as the days get close i get worser by the time im in the room im nearly dead from heart attack :( the wall will be waiting for me friday :) xxxx

[Julezboo]

For thse that havent seen thread in chat. lunatic gave birth to a baby boy, 5lbs 10oz, he has gone to special care as expected but is doing well :o

So thrilled for you lf

[lovemysleep]

Well done lunatic - such lovely, lovely news...

Coconuts how many mc's have you had previously? I was sure that most EPAUS would provide early scans as they seem to value the research that suggests recurrent miscarriers benefit enormously from regular scans and lots of support. They are a bunch of tossers if they don't follow this! GGGGGGTrrrrrrrrrrr - makes me so bloody mad that there are different levels of treatment depending on where you live. I thought that they legally had to provide the same level of care to everyone........makes me want to kick some butts

[lovemysleep]

coconuts just noticed you've had 2 mc's - bet they are dragging their feet as it's not the magic 3. But, when I lived in Nottingham, they gave me an 8 week reassurance scan after my 1st mc, so there are some discrepancies with this. I think they should just give you one, due to you PCOS/uterus. Can they not understand that you are anxious and need some TLC?

[confu3ed]

Congratulations Lunatic :)

Yay new appointment Tuesday. mc testing commences then!!

Bad day today first day back at work and burst into tears, reckon hormones are playing with my emotions!! Work know nothing about the mc this time, they must think I am loosing it!! Oh well tomorrow is another day!! 2 weeks tomorrow since ERPC and antibiotics all finished now.....need wine bucket loads of it!!!!

Coconuts one of my friends advised me to fake bleeding as they will scan you then! It is crazy that they will not do an early scan when you have history! My GP said I couldn't have one either, just glad my fertility consultant didn't feel the same and I got the early scan. The other thing that your GP can do is hormone level tests which are a good indication that everything is fine. But the fact that you are being so sick is a great sign, the sicker the better!! Not fun but each time you are sick remind yourself that it is a great sign!!! :)

[ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts]

Hi :)

LMS Yes 2 mcs but had DD in between so not consecutive. The EPU just said point blank we don't do early reassurance scans. Only the GP can refer after bleeding. It's so shitty when I know it would temporarily stop me going insane.

confu3ed sorry you have had a bad day too. Here have this - I would be reluctant to feign a bleed. That would be tempting fate too much for my liking. This is why I was hoping my gynae Dr would still see me and perhaps do a sneaky one, but no luck there either. I know my symptoms are promising but I don't want to feel like shit if it is all going to be for nothing. Stupid aren't I. I should just suck it up and get on.

Hoping lunatic and baby are doing well :) Can't wait to hear the name xx

[milkyway2007]

Just wanted to say how reassuring and happy it makes me when I see women who have been through hell with mc's and going on to have healthy babies. Well done lunatic!

I faked bleeding with my 3rd miscarriage - was really worried and something didnt feel right - I didnt want another MMC like the time before, so told them I was bleeding and had an emergency scan, that showed I was dating at nearly 5 weeks instead of 6 - that was enough for me to know that there was an impending mc. The sonographers were reassuring me that dates get mixed up - but you dont mix up dates when your TTC...I miscarried exactly 1 week later.

coconuts - I know sickness makes you feel shit bad, but it's a really good thing, as far as my experience goes! Also, in my experience, these bloody receptionists and some nurses need to learn some etiquette when talking to worried women. I've come across some dumb cows in my time..!

confu3d sorry you had a bad day at work :( It will get better with time - just keep yourself busy xx

claire lol ;)

justmee good luck with your scan - I am always exactly the same - heart pounding days on end - I hope things will work out perfect for you xx

I havent been having a very nice time these past few days - my husband's flu is never ending, and I had a massive shout at him about it yesterday...I think I'm being a bitch - guess I want to be "looked after" too...but thats clearly not going to happen. It's been a week since my medical miscarriage and I'm just constantly thinking about it..I healed with my other mc's quite quickly, but this one has really hurt me deeply. Wish my hubby could share the sadness, but I think he covers up - I just want a big old cry with him :( :(

I've been in touch with pre-pregnancy counsellors at the EPU, and I'm going to be sent an appointment - I know I want to start trying again ASAP. My consultant still hasnt been in touch. My GP sent him a letter on 27 Jan, asking for an urgent appointment, but still nothing.

Does anyone actually believe that waiting one cycle makes the uterine lining stronger? Because the lining is shedded every period anyway, so how does it make it stronger the second cycle? I dont get it..

Sorry for the long post - wanted to get some things off my chest.. Hope everyone else is okay xx

[Iggi2011]

Hello, really pleased to hear Lunatic's news
Milkyway I was asked to wait a cycle, but not to make lining stronger or for dating, it was just because they wanted to be sure I wasn't pregnant again (as if!) when they did the blood tests.
For anyone taking baby aspirin, I was wondering are you told to take it from AF, or ovulation, or bfp?
(still waiting any results on tests of course! But have that "have to try *something" different this time" feeling)

[mummyabroad]

God I am so far behind I dont even know how to do a catch up now.

So just a quick on for milky I am a bit obsessed with uterine linings, and as far as I know there is no reason to wait after an mc for lining purposes. You should wait until you get a negative HPT (so you dont confuse a new pregnancy with the old hormones leaving your system) and wait until you feel emotionaly ready. If you are not going to wait for AF have a good idea of when you ovulate so you dont freak yourself out unnecessarily at the first early scan if they say the dates look wrong. Waiting for AF also gives you the advantage of knowing that you dont have any post mc complications like retained tissues/AS/infection etc. This is good reading

Iggi everyone on MN who has spoken about this says their consultants advise them to take aspirin after a BFP and not before (as it could prevent implantation). Some ladies with AS who I speak to on other sites take it all through the cycle to improve blood flow to the uterus, and get a thicker lining but there isnt much evidence to prove that this is OK when TTC. (I dont use it, and I have lining issues)

lunatic congrats again!!

[digitalgirl]

iggi I'm taking it, not prescribed just as a 'can't do any harm' thing. I started after bfp.

coconuts aren't you supposed to be getting a scan soon anyway because of your lmp? When would you be '12 weeks' according to lmp?

confu3ed sorry you had a bad start getting back-to-work. It might not feel like it now but it does get easier.

milkyway sorry things have been tough for you too. Perhaps your dh has really been feeling the stress, hence getting flu. My dh was so strong for me, but he admitted to going back to work briefly (works alone in his office) for a cry the day we found out about mc#3. But yes, you do deserve to be looked after too. Is there anyone else that can come over, perhaps cook some food and clean the house, to give you a break - a mum, an aunt?

And of course big hurrah to our 'lunatic*! We're all rooting for young master lunatic to get big and strong and give you lots of cuddles soon!

Am ok, boobs bit more tingly. Twinges down below a bit more regular. Stuff clearly happening. But generally feeling fine. No sickness or anything, but didn't really get that with ds till nearly 7 weeks, so trying to enjoy this as much as poss. Work is busy so that's keeping me distracted.