Recurrent Buns - Miscarriage Testing and Beyond! Part three..!

[Julezboo]

Not so imaginative as lunatic !

Part One HERE

Part Two HERE

There are a mixture of Pg ladies, new BFP's (YAY) and new ladies who have sadly had to join us and are going through testing. Lots of OMW's and hand holding here!

Sit down, grab a cushion and a hot choc and get comfortable.

STARTING TESTING
LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 27 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct
2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear - although high prolactin level found. Waiting for appointment at RMC with consultant, and wanting to be referred to St Mary's.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. Bloods taken from me and DH at hospital at last MC and awaiting results on baby from PM.

UNDERGOING TREATMENT
CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, currently waiting one more cycle before TTC. Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.

TTC
MUMMYABROAD Age 35, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 Cycle 1
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus, currently TTC
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.4 - 3MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. Awaiting clotting & karyotyping results, under consultant care for rmc. Mild pcos. Currently TTC.
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells

PREGNANT
LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, pg #5 section booked for 9th Feb @ 35wks. On 150mg aspirin daily.
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks.
HAIRYFAIRYLIGHTS
HAIRYCLAREYFAIRY

GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!
STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction and currently in Special Care Baby Unit.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.

hi everyone

Bit too much to catch up on. Will do better next time :)

julez hope Oliver is ok and you are home :)

lunatic strange one with the conflicting evidence regarding laying down/not laying down. The not laying down worked with me! Sorry it has been put back a week but on the plus side at least baby will be a week bigger and stronger :)

mummy sorry you sound down and I hope the problems with DH are solve-able. If you want to let off steam here we'll always listen (((hugs)))

We are not home :( I have been crying on and off all day. We wont be home until Monday at the earliest. They think hes not breaking down his proteins from what I understood this morning. There has been talking of putting on a higher calorie prescription milk, decision will be made tomorrow. I am gutted tbh, i spent hours researching formula's, Dh has grumbled about my choice over the last few days (not excessively though, through worry more than anything), MIL told DH I should have breastfed and that we dont keep him warm enough. Feels a bit like everyone is blaming me!

He is a healthy baby boy, he feeds 3 hourly, takes 3ozs each feed, hes not a sicky baby in the slightest, has only vomited twice since he was born 15 days ago, nappies are normal but we are stuck here! We did get moved out of the bay today and into our own room away from the snorers lol so hopefully I will get some sleep today. Its so hard, I am missing the boys, did get to spend a few hours with them today, feel like I need to split myself up :(

Sorry for the me me me post x

OMG ladies - got a BFP this morning!!!!!!!!!

Cracked and tested one day early, as have been feeling sick the past 2 days, wretching yesterday. Have had a teeny-tiny bit of spotting the last 2 days too, which is really bloody confusing me. Sore boobs too. And definately feel like something is going on down below.

So, now I'm upping my dose of steroids to a whopping 40mg, with some stomach protecting drug aswell - will have the joy of a progesterone pessary this evening (rather that than the other available opening, thank you). Got to ring Dr.S and get an Intralipid infusion sorted too.

I am concerned about the spotting, but there's not a lot I can do about that at this stage, I guess. Usually, when I've had spotting before, and it's led to a mc, it's got heavier by now. I'm desperately hoping that this may be some kind of implantation bleed, and I'm trying not to get paranoid - ectopic has even crossed my mind so far.

Am hoping that this is one big, fat slice of good karma for once - getting pg on the first month of ttc, and lets hope that this one goes smoothly.

if anyone can shed some light - even if you think it's not good - about the spotting, I'd be ever so grateful.

I'm trying to absorb all of your different stories at the moment, there's alot to take in! Bear with me, and hopefully I'll get there soon.

mummyabroad hope the counselling helps -it's done me the world of good, so hope yours helps you too.

mummy have a hug from me too. those dark places are not good, glad to hear your aren't ignoring it though. hope the councelling helps.

julez no way is it your fault. my first two dc where exclusively ff and had no problems. Eliza was bf until last week and i'll be honest and say i did not enjoy it one bit. apart from that she has had loads of problems with constipation and wind/reflux etc. since changing her to a comfort milk she has settled so much. In a way i regret not ff straight away

Oh julez it must be so hard. Oliver sounds like he is really healthy otherwise. I hope they can sort the problem out as soon as possible. It is certainly not your fault. breastfeeding isn't for everyone. I Formula Fed DD and would also FF any subsequent children. Nothing you could have done differently would have made any difference by the sounds of it. If it was a problem that could have been solved by BF surely the hospital would have said so. Remember MIL is from a different generation.

I really hope the special formula helps and you can be home soon :) Thinking of you xxx

lucky Congratulations :) I expect the spotting is implantation although I haven't had any. I was expecting some and hoping for some so I know the bean is burrowed away. I just have to hope and pray it's where it should be. Hope you can get hold of your doctor soon and sort out your meds ):

I'm cracking up over here. Got nobody to talk to in RL about this but then on the other hand I feel awful venting here as I feel like I'm rubbing everyones noses in it. I'm a jibbering mess. I've had no implantation bleed so I'm paranoid that it isn't where it should be. I'm knicker checking all the time. The only symptoms I have are feeling tired and a headache. My nausea subsided yesterday. I had a cry last night about never being able to have that happy moment when couple find out they are expecting and automatically expect to have a baby at the end of this. I am convinced it will go wrong. DH is in denial apart from not letting me carry the shopping home. I just want to fast forward 8 months. I'm supposed to be shouting from the rooftops, happy and excited but instead I'm hidden away, curled up on the sofa crying like a fool.

And I'm so stupid that I put lucky instead of lovemysleep

coco i have been where you are right now, it's shit. i can't even offer any words of wisdom. i don't know how i got through it. you can only take one day at a time and hope for the best. and no one here will think you are rubbing it in. i might not post as much as i used to but there is always someone around for a bit of hand holding.

can't get another pic on. will have to try again later.

Thanks :(

lovelybunchofcoconuts - feel for you - that's one thing mc takes away, is the joy of being pg. I'll be on a knicker-checking frenzy from now on, and as for symptom checking, that's a nightmare! I'm not feeling sick today, just very spacey and wobbly, but that could be the steroids.

Just gotta hang in there, I guess. We're away at Centre Parcs from tomorrow, so I'm glad I've got that distraction. I'm not working at the moment, and I'd gladly welcome that distraction, as I have a feeling that this is going to be the longest 2 months of my life.

julezbo hope things get a bit easier for you soon

lunatic you are very perceptive! DH and and I actually spent a week apart because our problems got so bad we are back talking again now, I am seeing my own therapist and we have also agreed to do couples counselling again, I really hope things work out.. I am terrified that after all this effort to TTC having finally made it across the finish line, I might end up with no husband to TTC with! My therapist seems to think that he is not being honest about wanting another child, that while he says he does, his action say the opposite as he is sabotaging the TTC plan by arguing. (oh how I want her to be wrong!)

I didnt mention it before because this seemed like the wrong place, but thanks for all your hugs and support everyone. I am just hoping that throwing a ton of therapy at it, things might work out (and at least its cheap over here)

Julez oh, how difficult, I bet pregnancy hormones havent had a chance to settle yet either so you are bound to feel extra tearful and worried. MIL is not being helpful at all with those comments, she should keep quiet. There is no shame in FF, I had to change my longed for BF plan after a month because I was very ill (turned out to be retained placenta) and BF wasnt working and DS also lost too much weight. It was very upsetting at the time as I felt I had "failed" (Why?) but the truth is once DS and I got healthier we were both happier and I could finally start enjoying being a mum. Poor thing only got his first bath at one month old, the day I started FF!

lovemysleep congratulations! If it helps at all, I am on another thread for women after MC and at least 4 of them are recently pregnant and had spotting (and no further problems) I think its quite common, its just your hormones fluctating a little. As you said its not developing into anything else, I wouldnt worry, spotting in itself is not a bad sign.

coco enormous for you. I didnt have an implantation bleed with DS, I also had only very mild nausea and I got it every other day (lots of MN women have told me they had the same, so maybe thats whats happening to you?) Wish I had some more words of wisdom for you, but I cant think of anything that will be reassuring enough.

..oh, except - crying is a symptom!

mumatron looking forward to the pic! xxx

lovemysleep How I love your name I felt very dizzy and wobbly yesterday and the day before. My glands in my neck are swollen too. I have heard that is a good sign :)

mummy sorry things are difficult with DH. I really hope you sort things out. Excuse me if I'm rude saying this, but would TTC be a good idea if things are difficult? If you get pregnant and he isn't on board will things become worse?

I'm feeling a bit better this afternoon had some lunch and can't stop weeing! Been watching some old videos of DD that have cheered me right up and DH is coming home from work early to cook dinner :)

One day at a time hey. Thanks for being so lovley to me :)

JulezbooRe the BF. I BF my DD1 for 5 weeks and she kept losing weight the whole time, I got mastitis twice and she had thrush in her mouth, as soon she went on FF she was thriving. Don't put yourself down about anything especially BF I'm sure MW are on commission for BF everyone seems to hammer it into you and it makes you feel so guilty. You're doing brilliantly and it sounds like hes feeding well on FF. I hope they get things sorted out soon and you can get home it must be so hard being without your boys, not long now, you might be out tomorrow.

LovemysleepCongratulations on he BFP such lovely news, really pleased for you and I know its hard to be excited but you're one step further to getting to the end which is brilliant. I had an implantation bleed with my last pregnancy and having never experienced it before I was terrified. To try and put your mind at rest (as much as I can) my implantation bleed started a couple of days before my period was due and it continued until I was 10 weeks, they could see the clot at my six week scan and it was nothing to do with the MC. The bleed was only very slight and light brown/peachy sorry if tmi, I knicker checked constantly and always thought I was bleeding when I wasn't. Its such a scary time but try and relax. I hope you get all your meds sorted quickly and you feel really sick very soon.

Coco Don't feel bad about posting on here everytime I come on here I seem to moan about myself but knowing everyone feels the same helps in some way. I didn't have an implantation bleed with either my 2DD but I did in my last pg and it was not to do with mc. It doesn't mean anything either way and headaches tiredness is all good news, I remember last pg I was poking my boobs the whole time making sure they were still swollen but unfortunately every pg is different (it really annoys me when the MW say that but it is true) so far your symptoms are all there and as Mummy says crying is definitely a sign.

Mummy I'm so sorry you and your DH has been having problems I have to say me and DH have never argued as much as we have in the past year, there is so much anger (on my part) at everyone and I don't know how hes put up with me. I do hope the counselling works for you both.

Does anyone have any info on ovulation/period after mc. I deliverred my baby on 11 January at 16 weeks and I've done ovulation tests starting two weeks after mc and nothing and no period. My last two MC I go my period three weeks after MC. I'm sure it'll come at some point but I keep thinking nothings going to go back to normal and if I just knew that I was ovulating I would feel slightly better about the future. Any help appreciated.

coco I know, it hasnt escaped my notice that if DH is not on board then instead of being a dream come true a pregnancy would be a total nightmare. Hence the intensive counselling.

luckyfortwo have you done an hpt test and got a negative? Usually you will ovulate two weeks after your HCG levels reach 0. As your pregnancy was quite advanced it may take some time for the pregnancy hormones to leave your system, if you test with HPT at least you will have an idea if that has happened already. Have you had success with OPK's before? If its your first time using them you may need to experiment with the time of day, the instructions on the packet say that all women get a surge on the exact same time of day but this is not true. You may find it helpful to get cheap ones from amazon (25 for 5 quid)and test twice a day. My LH surge is very short, I can catch it on first morning wee but it is gone by the afternoon. I found charting very useful after mc, it gave me a clearer picture of what was going on in my body and made me feel more in control too. If you havent found it already have a look at www.fertilityfriend.com, it has loads of info about charting and more. Sign up from this link and we will both get a bonus.

Just catching up!

Coco Did you get a BFP on your "proper" test? You never told us! :) (Although I know the answer to that one!)

MummyAbroad Oh dear. You poor thing. First, stop testing so early, it will only seek to get you down. I have a rule that I don't test until AFTER my period is due. This is also because I am scared of chemical pregnancy and would rather not know. Second, does your DH know when you are ov'ing? DH and I used to have problems and fight because I wanted to SWI and he knew it. He admitted later it was the pressure so now I don't tell him when I am SWI, which means I have to DTD for fun as well, and its bloody hard work!

Luckyfortwo I think all rules are out of the window the cycle after ERPC. My AF has varied from 4 to 8 weeks after.

Lovemysleep Congrats on the BFP! Fingers crossed its a sticky one :)

Julezbo Ugh, poor you :( I think even if you were BFing you would be feeling like shit because you would think your milk wasn't good enough. Its a double edged sword regardless of how you are feeding, someone will be critical (when the should just shut the F up!). Hoping they sort it out and you are home very soon :)

Lunatic Hope you are ok?

Waves to all I missed!

I am ov'ing over here. I am seriously considering raping jumping DH tonight, but then arguing with myself about it. My cycles seems to now be 5 weeks, and we are off booze in Feb but if I only get AF in 2 weeks, then it will take me to beginning of March when I ovulate again which means DH will be back on the booze again :( I want us to both be very clear of booze because the one thing both my miscarriages have in common is that I conceived before we went on holiday and were drinking :( And I've been drinking this month, so I dont want to try but...UGHHHH! No idea what to do...

Hi all,

Going to try to catch up with page 37, at least!

Lunatic hope you're doing OK - feel for you getting to such a significant and sad milestone.

Julez, v that you're still stuck in hosp, hope the change of formula does the trick. X is quite right, if you were bf you'd be kicking yourself that your milk wasn't good enough (having spent last three weeks expressing and feeding like mad and agonising over every gram gained or lost, I can speak with authority).

Mumatron at Eliza's routine, Finn's snacking every couple of hours during the night and is so bloody noisy inbetween that we're barely sleeping! Is also very windy so quite hard to settle.

lovemysleep congratulations . Really hope this is a sticky bean.

Coconuts It is horrible and unfair that you've lost the happy mindless pregnancy-leads-to-baby attitude. And you won't get it back - but you will still get your baby, even if you've got months of being a complete looper to go...

Mummyabroad, really sorry to hear of this extra thing you're going through, is really unfair. Hope the therapy helps you both.

banana Is a difficult one. My first mc was just after Christmas and I'd been drinking like a p*ssed fish, the second one I'd probably had a few, too. But then I'd had a fair bit the night before got my BFP with DS1, and he was fine. Surely if you were clear on conceiving it would be OK?

Lucky don't know anything about cycles post-mc, really. I got back to normal straight away - day of mc could be counted as CD1 - but then they were both really early, would imagine 16 weeks a v different situation.

Waves to anyone I missed.

Not much to report - bloody knackered, Finn sleeping like, well, a newborn baby . DS1 acting up a bit, I'm stir crazy but too tired to actually go for a walk. Feeling a bit paranoid about work too, seems like a lousy time to disappear for nine months. Sigh.

Hi banana it must be good to know your body is back to predictable cycles even if you arent quite ready to TTC yet. I have always found it hard to worry about the odd drink because I was drinking loads before I got a BFP with DS and he turned out fine (and huge) I can totally understand wanting to do everything in your power to do it "right" though. I dont know if it helps to know this but at the orphanage down the road there are three babies who were born with fetal alcohol syndrome, they were low birth weight and fed badly, but they made it into the world despite their mothers being chronic alcoholics. While drinking excessively certainly affects babies, I dont think it is linked to mc.

I am still testing , I find it much easier to just get it done with in the morning, otherwise I spend the whole day trying to resist and thinking about it all day. I dont really mind the BFN's because I know its too early to be accurate. Writing that I can see it sounds a little crazy but works for me. I dont tell DH about ov, and we both agreed a while back to use TTC as an excuse to improve our sex life anyway so there is lots of SFF, unfortunately there has been no escaping all the hospital appointments, waiting for results etc that has been going on, so its TTC/fertility issues are always present whether we like it or not. I'm not really sure what will happen next, because DH says he wants another child but my counsellor is saying that he obviously doesnt or he wouldnt be so obstructive, that he is just saying that because he wants one to keep me happy and keep the relationship going. I guess I will have to see what he says when we are with the other (couples) counsellor.

Hi Mummy

mummy sorry I didn't mean to sound patronising. Of course you'd thought of what I'd said. I hope you can work things through. If it's any consolation DH pissed me off something chronic last night. He is a rubbish talker and he is the only person I should be talking to this about and I got upset and was babbling away, turned round and he'd fell asleep. We had a good talk today though and sorted things out. I also used your justification for testing early, that I knew it was too soon so I knew it would be a BFN. Until it wasn't!

banana Yes the positive came up within ten seconds before I got the chance to put the lid on! I haven't tested since, but I want to, but I think 16 is enough!

frazzled At the minute I can't think about having a baby at the end of this. But I agree, 8 months of being crazy is worth it in the end, if it gets that far. Sorry to hear you are tired. Finn is a growing boy! Bet he seems so much bigger than last week :)

Hi Mummy
I did a pg test last Monday and there was a very very faint line and I've been doing OPK since that date. I'm using the Clearblue Digital tests which I have used before, each time I've got pg first time and I've alwasy tested first thing in the morning(costing me a fortune but I know they work!). Hopefully I will O v.soon and I can stop thinking about it. Dying to TTC but scared as we're still awaiting results and consultant appointment but at least I will be a step further. I've never done temps before but I'll check the site out thank you.
The couples counselling will be really good. It is hard for the DHs as they can see how desperate we are but they can also see the pain we go through when it ends badly, I hope you sort it all out, big hugs at this hard time.
Banana Don't worry one bit about the booze. I drank rather a lot on holiday before my DD1 was born and I haven't drank anything at all this past year and my last two pg have ended in mc. I really don't think it would make any difference as long as you stop once you're pg. We always blame ourselves for the things we did/didn't do but none of them really make any difference (not the normal little things anyway).

Hello. I been invited over here in the past by a couple of your wise women and wondered if I could take the plunge? Sorry as I am doubtless jumping in in the middle of something!

But am at the beginning of my testing journey and in need of a wee bit of expertise/confidence to help me on my way.

Shit. Look what I found.

Hi all,

wow this thread moves so fast its like a rushing river. Just had to read through and make notes of who I need to reply to!

Well, its been a mental week but actually a very healing one. I finally stopped bleeding on Thursday, exactly 1 week after the mc and starting to feel physically back to normal - normal for me that is .

This weekend has been healing because I found a way to laugh and have fun again which I have not been able to do since the BFP just before Christmas when I started to inch along the tightrope towards possible happiness or a MC. We know how this story turned out .

On Friday, I took my friend who has just been dumped by a total asshole out for cocktails to cheer us both up and on Saturday night I went to my first ever 40th birthday party. I can't remember anything after 11pm but DH said I was pogoing on the dancefloor to Bonkers by Dizzee Rascal and I didn't stop dancing for about 4 hours!

Lunatic and Mummy I didn't have a quiet week but I was able to distract myself from my own sorrow with work and I had the kind of weekend that I really needed - thanks for your support.

Digital I am getting all my tests done privately because the NHS will not fund them for me until I have another MC. Apparently 3 MCs is not enough - I need 3 in a row to hit the "test jackpot". Thankfully recurrent MC is covered by my private healthcare through work so I have decided to take matters into my own hands. My consultant is fantastic - he is widely considered to be one of the best in the North West and he does give credence to the NK cells theory. I have been under his care since he diagnosed me with endometriosis 6 years ago which he completely cured with a procedure that only he and one other perform in the UK. He also runs both a private and an NHS recurrent MC clinic locally. I will ask him if he offers NK testing in his NHS recurrent clinic and get back to you.

Milkyway you and I have had very similar experiences and my heart goes out to you. I had a MMC the very first time I got pregnant and it was anembryonic - basically no fetal pole just bits of a sac left. I was 31 at the time and went on to have DD 16m later - totally boring uneventful pregnancy and birth with absolutely no complications. My periods were heavy due to the endometriosis but they have always been regular as clockwork except the ones after a MC. The last two MMCs happened at about 8 weeks after fetal heartbeat detected at 7weeks. Very annoying and the doc says it could be just bad luck but we are not willing to take that chance so I am going for the works, I will ask for the thromboelastogram as I think lunatic mentioned. This last MC finally happened last Thursday and I took the Medical Management route which I will continue to adopt if I suffer an early MC again. I felt this was right for me as I did not want a general anasthetic and I wish to avoid any unecessary messing about with my reproductive bits just to be on the safe side. When the MC finally happened I started to bleed heavier and got some cramps - I could feel contractions but I just gobbled some Codeine and ignored them - they were honestly not that bad and it was all over in 2hrs. When there's something to pass you just feel an urge to go to the loo and it just slips out with nothing to see. My consultant recommended that if the fetal pole is less than 2cm then this is the best way to handle it but I fully appreciate that many people feel differently and want it removed as fast as possible.

waves and hugs to everyone I've not namechecked and I'll try to catch up with others soon. Much love from this end