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Recurrent Buns - Miscarriage Testing and Beyond! Part three..!
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Julezboo · 23/11/2010 12:52
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Iggi2011 ·
01/02/2011 12:49
Digitalgirl! What news! All fingers crossed.
I have had my blood tests done today, feeling quite upset by appointment though prob no reason to be - firstly that it was a different doctor, that I felt a bit talked down to, and that I ended up arguing as the anticoagulant tests weren't done the way I'd read in Lesley Reagan's book that they were specifically supposed to be. I was told that's not how they do that here. So a bit 
and a bit 
. And don't know whether to start trying next cycle or wait for results. Bit deflated really. But glad I didn't wait almost 8 months to get deflated!
ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts ·
01/02/2011 11:12
STARTING TESTING
LAF77 , Age 33, MC1 (7 weeks Apr 10) MC2 (5 weeks Sept 10) MC3 (9 weeks Dec 10). All have been natural mcs and number 1 and 3 were embryonic for sure. No children, no RMC appt, no diagnosis and not TTC.
PANDA 3MMC, no.1 (embryonic loss - empty sac) 7weeks, no.2 at 12 weeks, no.3 at 8 weeks. Awaiting raft of tests for recurrent MC
CLAIREDELOON Age 38 1st mmc, development stopped approx 5 weeks (2007), 2nd mmc development stopped at approx 6 weeks (2009), 3rd mc development stopped at 9 weeks after seeing hb at 8+3 (2010). Bicornate uterus, starting testing Feb 2011.
NOTSOBARRENBROOK Age 35. 1st mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2009), 2nd mmc @ 6 weeks (Jan 2010), 3rd mmc @ 11 weeks, development stopped at 6 weeks 3 days (March 2010), 4th mmc @ 5 weeks (August 2010). Possible adenomyosis, awaiting hsg and results of testing from St Mary's.
MILKYWAY2007 Age 27 - DD age 3. 1st MC Oct
2009, 6 weeks. 2nd MMC March 2010, 11 weeks (baby passed away at 7 weeks). 3rd MC July 2010, 6 weeks. 4th MMC 24 Jan 2011, 9 weeks - no amniotic sac, baby measured 7weeks 4 days, no HB, had seen a healthy HB at 7 weeks. Blood clotting, hormone, genetic karyotype and shape and health of uterus checked and all clear - although high prolactin level found. Waiting for appointment at RMC with consultant, and wanting to be referred to St Mary's.
LUCKYFOR2 Age 32 - DD age 5. DD age 3. 1st MC May 2010 found at 12 week scan passed away at 9 weeks. 2nd MC September 2010 natural at 8 weeks. 3nd MC January 2011 at 16 weeks, saw hb at 13 but no hb at 15.5. Bloods taken from me and DH at hospital at last MC and awaiting results on baby from PM.
IGGI2011 - Age 40, 3 year old DS. 3 MC last year, at 6, 8 and 8 weeks. Last two had hb detected. Having bloods taken by obs soon.
UNDERGOING TREATMENT
CRYSTAL5 Age 38 - DS age 4. 6 m/c 1 at 11 weeks, 5 at 5/6 weeks. Ok blood tests, under Endocrinologist for Hypothyroid
BANANA87 Age 30- 1mmc@7 weeks, DD (2), 1 mmc 6 weeks, 1 mc 7 weeks, currently waiting one more cycle before TTC. Going to try aspirin and progesterone as per consultant. Clotting bloods normal.
TTC
MUMMYABROAD Age 35, 1DS (2.9), 1MMC Mar 2010 (@14weeks) Ashermans diagnosis and treatment Nov 2010, Started TTC Jan 2011 Cycle 1
DIGITALGIRL Age 32 - DS 2.4 - 3MCs since ttc#2. MC1 5wks. MC2 6-7wks. MC3 7-8wks. Awaiting clotting & karyotyping results, under consultant care for rmc. Mild pcos. Currently TTC.
LOVEMYSLEEP Age 39, 1 mmc, dd born(now 5), 2nd mc (9wks, 2days), 3rd mc (9wks, 3days) and 4th mc at 5 wks. All tests on NHS came back clear. Currently undergoing treatment with Dr.Shehata for very high natural killer cells
PREGNANT
LUNATIC dd1(4) 2 mmc (8 wks) dd2 stillborn (32+5), clotting problem, pg #5 section booked for 9th Feb @ 35wks. On 150mg aspirin daily.
GLITTERYBITS 1 anembryonic MC (12 weeks), unexplained infertility, 1 round of clomid, currently pg and terrified!
JUSTMEE Age 21, MC1 (7 weeks), MC2 (6weeks), MC3 (5weeks) currently pregnant with 4th pregnancy using clexane injecting 20mg a day
LADYBEE 37, MC1 (5wks), DS (2), MC2 blighted ovum discovered @ 8 wk scan, MC3 natural @ 9 wks following hb seen at 7 1/2 wk. PCOS previously diagnosed, Factor V Leiden heterozygote discovered in recent testing. Treatment with aspirin (from BFP) + clexane started at 6 weeks.
LOVELYBUNCHOFCOCONUTS Age 23, 1 MC (13 weeks), 1 MMC (10 weeks - growth stopped at 7), 1DD born 2008, PCOS diagnosis, bi-cornuate uterus.
HAIRYFAIRYLIGHTS
HAIRYCLAREYFAIRY
GRADUATES WITH BABIES!!
STILLFRAZZLED Age 35, DS1 (3.6yo), 1 mc @ 5 weeks Jan 09, 2nd mc @ 9 weeks March 09, DS2 born @ 35+3 on 04/01/11 with Intra Uterine Growth Restriction and currently in Special Care Baby Unit.
MUMATRON Age 28 2 dc then 4mc, 3 @9weeks 1@5weeks, tests showed possible free protein s ishoo. dd2 born 06/01/2011, aspirin, claxane and high dose folic acid through pg.
JULEZBOO Age 29 1 mc @ 14 wks, DS1 (8yo) 4 mc @ 5/6 wks, DS2 (3) 2 mc @7 wks... DS3 (14/01/11 @35 wks) Dx with Factor V Leiden and Septate Uterus. Clexane and Aspirin throughout pregnancy and progesterone with DS3.
I have taken the plunge and moved myself - are you all proud of me 
Bloody did it wrong the first time though!!
ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts ·
01/02/2011 11:09
Crikey coconutfeet that seems ages ago! The list definitely will be easier!
Coconutfeet ·
01/02/2011 11:06
Thanks Alovelybunch of coconuts. Good advice about getting a copy of the results. I've just received a copy of the Lesley Regan book about miscarriage so I'm hoping that it will arm me with information of what to request when I go to my GP.
You're right -it might be easier to read the list as I'm currently worrying about the state of Stillfrazzled's worktops so it could take me a while. 
ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts ·
01/02/2011 10:55
coconutfeet Crossposts :) We have a list going of who's doing what and what's happening with who. It might be easier to read that!
Sorry you find yourself here and sorry for your losses. Much hand holding available here and lots of great advice :) Hope the wait isn't too long for you for the clinic.
The GP can run basic hormone tests such as a full blood count, LH, FSH, thyroid, glucose, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, and some more I can't think of! I would always advise anyone to get a copy of the blood tests from GPs or at least ask for the figures of the results as the 'normal' range is massive and you may be at either end and may actually not be normal.
For example, I had these tests done and they came back 'normal'. After getting advice here I requested a copy of my figures and it turned out there were pointers for PCOS (my LH was more than double my FSH even though they were all in the normal range). Subsequently have my PCOS diagnosis after 5 years of issues.
Sorry for waffling 
Welcome again :)
ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts ·
01/02/2011 10:47
Right, I need to try to do a bit of a catch up.
digi I use the 10mlu ones to and I got my first faintest of faint lines at 13 dpo. How many days dpo are you?
mummy Four tests is nothing to my 16 tomorrow it will be 17. I must test before I have my GP appointment just to rationalise it in my head before I go and admit it to someone out loud. Glad DH is doing all the right things so far and I hope the counselling session goes well. I have never read this Ina May Gaskin book you speak of but I have an insane fear of epidural too. I would rather be knocked unconscious!
lunatic It must be hard battling with the thoughts of perhaps being induced. You have got so far and done so well though. I have also heard of a lot of ladies being up and about after a c-section very quickly. They only usually keep you in hospital for about 2 days now I think. When I had DD it was 5 days so they get you up and about really quickly now.
Whereas, I was induced with DD, and although I had never done it before or since to compare, I was told my birth was harder as it was an induction. I was having 5:10 contractions all the way through for 12 hours. I didn't have that steady build up which I would have liked to have experienced. The birth wasn't a traumatic one but I did need intervention and assistance to deliver and that is something that you may need to think about. They say the need for an episiotomy or forceps/ventouse is sometimes greater with induction. If I get to do it again (fingers crossed) then I will try to avoid induction if I can just to have experienced it both ways IYSWIM. I'm sure I haven't told you anything you don't already know but if it helps you to make a decision :)
iggi sorry you have to wait so long for your appointment. Hopefully the obstetrician tests can shed some light in the meantime :)
glittery Thanks for you words of wisdom :) I have had a better couple of days. Although I am obviously desperately wanting this to work, I have come to the conclusion that if it doesn't then it wasn't meant to be. I am trying to keep myself calm and rational. It doesn't always work but I'm trying. :) Glad you have found the strength to tell people and at it not being cake! I definitely think we could make a book out of these threads :)
Claire Glad you had a nice weekend away :)
milkyway Have a hand to hold here and a hug :) Sorry you are going through this. I hope the next stage isn't too difficult physically for you :(
panda Glad your bleeding has stopped and that you had a good time partying and dancing. Some well deserved normality I think :)
lucky Sorry no advice re the ovulating and periods. Mine are/were so irregular that I just did the OPK everyday and hoped for the best!
lovesleep Hope you are enjoying your Center Parcs break :)
Not much happening here. Symptoms still on and off, feel sick one minute, feel fine the next. Terrible craving for Lucozade Sport and Sunny D. I'm sure it's too early for cravings and they aren't exactly healthy cravings to have!!
Will test again in the morning before Doctor appointment, just in case I am there at 10.20 so I will report back here a bit later in the day.
MummyAbroad ·
01/02/2011 00:35
PS four tests using three different brands is not rational. There I have admitted it.
MummyAbroad ·
01/02/2011 00:33
Iggi I too am 
at 7 and half months. Can you query it and see if there is some kind of mistake?
lunatic I dont know if its correct info, but I have always believed induction contractions are much more painful than natural ones, and things rev up much faster so there is no easing into it, hence my fear.
I once watched an antenatal video about lamaze and the trainer said "lamaze breathing doest work if you are being induced, you need an epidural" and that has always stuck with me! (I am scared of epidurals too - also Ina May Gaskins fault)
I know you are trying to weigh up a complicated choice, so sorry if this just muddies the waters, but I dont place much stock in the "cesarian = harder recovery" arguement. When I had DS I had a fantastic birth but because of the retained placenta I was ill and hemoragging for a month (I thought it was normal!) I didnt start "recovering" until I had had an emergency ERPC and two blood transfusions. My sis had a cesarian and was up and about and off shopping within a week. (which I was reminded of often ) All surgery is scary, and the unknown is v. scary, but I havent met a woman who has had a cesarian yet who hasnt boasted about how easy it was and how fast the recovery was, and shown me her scar (dont know what that last bit is all about, perhaps you can explain it to me if you end up having one )
Well, I hope the clouds of confusion lift and you get a good clear idea of what you want, but if they dont you can always put it to the vote on the thread and we will decide for you
LunaticFringe ·
31/01/2011 23:10
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MummyAbroad ·
31/01/2011 22:51
lunatic I've got no excuse for the cluckiness I am afraid, it has just come over me. I did see a shadow on my HPT this morning, but I've since thoroughly retested (dont ask how many times) and it is definitely not a line. Obsessing done until tomorrow. Its been a good day today, DH took the initiative and booked our therapy session for thursday, I am pleased it was him that did it not me, we are off to a good start.
So, (hope you dont mind me asking) why would you want an induction? I am all for natural childbirth, I would love another one if I get the chance, but I am terrified of being induced. (blame Ina May Gaskin book) have you been induced before?
You dont sound at all worried about reading your notes, so if you are not worried I wont worry. xxxxxxx
LunaticFringe ·
31/01/2011 21:53
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MummyAbroad ·
31/01/2011 21:00
hi lunatic why not ask DH to be there with you if you want to read the notes? I am sure its bound to be upsetting isnt it? I can totally understand the curiosity, but you shouldnt have to do something like that on your own, and its not like you can do many distracting activities from your hospital bed if it gets too much. Easier with a hand to squeeze? Alternatively you can request a copy now and read them when you are out of hospital? If its all on paper they only charge you for the photocopying.
What does DH say about induction? Whats the advantage and what are the risks? What does your gut say? Hope you are not being pressured into it by another silly midwife.
Sorry if I sound clucky and worried. Its because I am a bit clucky and worried today.
Iggi2011 ·
31/01/2011 20:50
Ok so shamelessly re-posting the stats just so I can bung myself in! (and I thought everyone's name was underlined till I looked, not an egomaniac really )
DH and I have an appointment tomorrow with obstetrician who is going to start tests. It's not the actual recurrent mc clinic, but obs said she would run the tests if they couldn't see me quickly (hopefully the same tests?)
Actually really mad that the clinic have sent me an appointment, which is for just over 7 and a half months time from when the referral was made. Time to fit in another couple of mc, perhaps. 
I'm sure that's normal wait, but at 40 it's at nightmare.
It is great to see so many pg women (now that's not something I often say ) and I wish everyone luck in their journeys.
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31/01/2011 20:28
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Panda222 ·
31/01/2011 20:21
Hello, just a quick messge for Milky - will catch up properly later.
Hi there, I'm so sorry you felt confused about what to do - I hope my post didn't add to the confusion. I always find it helpful to feel as though I can make an informed decision but sometimes you cant reach that point until you've talked to someone else who has been through the different treatments for MC. In my experience of the MM pill, if my MMC has been detected and is still there after 1 week I usually start bleeding around 24hrs after taking the first pill. This time I passed the sac at 1am the night before i was due to go in for the 2nd stage. I'll keep everything crossed that the MM has a speedy effect for you as i know only too well how awful the waiting game is. For the last couple of weeks I have put my life on hold. Its so strange but as soon as the sac was out I felt immediately different in a good way - like I could start to move on. I hope you get the same closure.
I totally get what you mean by feeling as though you are only good at MCs. When i was in my "I'm obsessed with finding out if it was chromasomally abnormal" phase a few weeks ago I remember thinking to myself how can I get better at having MCs because I'm probably going to have to endure loads before I have another successful pregnancy. I caught myself trying to find a way to get over them quicker so I could try again. Fortunately I realised this was not helping and I ended up having a strong word with myself
On a practical front to get through the MC with MM I found it helpful to stock up on some night-time pads and solpadeine max strength so if the contractions do start whilst you are at home you can dose yourself up on pain relief that won't block the effect of the MM pill. I'll be thinking of you - me and LAF and many others on here have been through this experience very recently so you are by no means alone. We are here for you 
xxx
Glitterybits ·
31/01/2011 17:09
Whoah! So much catching up to do. Had friends over this weekend and couldn't get online and now I'm so behind it's like I've been away for months.
Coconuts Denial you say? Welcome to my our obsessively crazy and mad little world! Congratulations!!!!! Now then, the cracking up thing. Totally normal. Perfectly acceptable and absolutely bloody awful. I have no idea how I got through each day of the last 8 weeks, but they were the longest of my life. I know it doesn't help, but moan about it here all you like. Nobody in RL got it (or gets it now) from my point of view either.
Lunatic Thank you for such a lovely message and thank you for understanding the milestone. No one in RL gets this. Why is it so hard? I'm sure I'm not as mental as they all think I am. I actually think I'd be a bit nuttier if I wasn't afraid. Nuchal results cam back with a chance of 1 in 23000 for Downs. I can live with that.
I also want to send you a massive and congratulatory hug on getting to the 33 week mark without going completely bonkers and sliding off the ledge and getting over that hideous anniversary. You've done so well and you're so near the finish line now. I can almost see it and then, as you say, you can go home forever. 5lbs is a really good weight too. Keep the faith and hang in there.
frazzled So, so pleased that you're home! Yey!!!!
lovemysleep Welcome and sorry you find yourself here. I'm sorry to say that I have no experience of this issue, but we're all here and willing to stick out a HTH to get you through the nightmarish emotional rollercoaster of the testing process. I hope someone here with a bit more knowledge on this can help you out.
Ooh I've just caught up! God this thread moves far too fast. Congratulations! FWIW I had 4 days of rather heavy spotting which turned out to be IB. Fingers crossed.
LAF If I had anything to do with it and wishing alone could make it so, you'd have that referral to St Mary's in your hands for an appointment tomorrow. I really, really hope this happens sooner rather than later for you. I totally relate to your comment about feeling trapped in a nightmare and all the uncertainty that comes with it. Having said that, I very much doubt you're going to let them send you away sans referral without a fight. Get into combat mode and make sure it happens. Big hugs in the meantime. There is nothing about any of this that doesn't suck.
Welcome lucky and I'm very sorry for your losses. I think it's awful when you aren't eligible for tests because of previous successful pregnancies. If they'd gone with that course of action for me, I'd never have got pregnant again. Oh, and if you're paranoid then so am I. I think the list of non-pregnant celebs is shorter than that of the pregnant ones.
grumpy Not sure if you're lurking but how sweet of you to gatecrash just to find out about my scan! Awwwww. Thank you. Really means a lot. xxx
Panda Know just what you mean about getting the bad news over in one hit. Isn't it awful that we all feel that way about scans now? Thank you for your lovely message.
Julez Haven't caught up to the end of the thread yet, so you might have covered this, but I hope Oliver is okay and you're home now. I love that someone like you who had such a hideously sickly and downright miserable pregnancy for the most part can be so upbeat and broody already! He must be a gorgeous little man. Hope you're all doing okay.
Oh, have just seen your other post. Right, first up, ignore your sodding MIL. We should probably all take this advice most of the time and not just in reference to babies. Secondly, you can only do what you can do and if there is another problem over which you have no control, then it isn't your fault. I desperately wanted to feed my DS, but he was starving hungry and continued to lose weight regardless, so I had to supplement him. Tbh it sounds as though that isn't the problem anyway and your lo would have just as much of an issue with breastmilk if the problem is to do with breaking down proteins. As has already been said, you're emotional, hormonal and presumably downright exhausted, which won't help to see things on any semblance of a rational plain. So, here's a well-deserved pat on the back from me. I'm really hoping you're out of hospital now but, if not, you're in the best place possible and doing the best you can as his Mummy. Give yourself some credit and ignore all negative comments.
Mummy You have been through so much in such a short space of time and I think such an experience is bound to shake even the strongest of relationships. Yet again, it sounds as though you are being as proactive as you possibly can with it all and I really hope that you and your DH can work things out. Big hugs and a cosmic order that the Karmic Gods leave you the hell alone and pick on somebody more deserving for a change!
milky I'm so sorry. I hope that the physical bit (at least) is over quickly for you. Big hugs. It's such a horrible time.
Welcome to iggi and waves to everyone else. I'm sure I've missed loads of you, but I've been typing for an hour now!!!! I should probably make my little man some tea.
I've gone a bit bonkers and, in a fit of hysteria, decided to tell just about everyone I'm pregnant. Most of the time the response has been, "I didn't think it was just cake in there" or words to that effect, so I'm obviously showing even more than I thought. I think I've decided that, since I've got over my biggest milestone so far, I need to try and enjoy at least some aspects of this. I've waited for so long and yet I hated every second of the first trimester. Part of me feels really cheated that I don't get the big announcements and the congratulatory hugs without wanting to undo the statement and defend the outburst by qualifying it with something like, "Well it might not happen, yet" or "I'm praying it will work this time, but nothing's guaranteed."
DH got really excited and told just about everyone anyway, so I've had to let it go a bit. I'm still stupidly tense and my shoulders are up to my ears. I can't go to the loo without constant knicker-checking, but I'm trying very hard to be grateful for every day that I'm pregnant. Waffle, waffle, ramble, ramble. Maybe I should write a book entitled, "Crazy musings of an insane pregnant lady in denial" or similar! I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thank God for this thread.
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