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Flatness, cba ness, boredom

184 replies

Fififizz · 29/10/2024 08:12

Just posting about this which is/has been one of my main menopause symptoms and maybe just part of ageing and the change. I just can’t be bothered with anything much the mundane life stuff especially but also the things I used to enjoy like music, fashion, food. It all seems ‘meh’ and a bit pointless. I’m on HRT but have been tweaking the regime and dose for the last 5 years and still don’t feel that great. Can anyone else relate? Any tips or solutions? I have hypothyroidism but that’s now successfully medicated. The cba ness is a drag though. Thanks

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CombatLingerie · 01/11/2024 15:54

Thanks @Azaleah I found your post very helpful to read.

Azaleah · 01/11/2024 17:35

@Revelatory I'm 58.

SirChenjins · 01/11/2024 17:58

I don’t feel useless at all - I’m just sick of all the shite that goes along with work, the house and family stuff, and want to live my own life. It’s not that complicated.

fufulina · 01/11/2024 18:02

I’m 48 and feel exactly this way. CBA with anything or anyone. Not depressed, just meh. And Netflix wrapped in a blanket is all I want to do at the weekend. Even good, old friends don’t hold much appeal. It’s sad, but I cba to actually be sad about it!

Whereismyjoiedevivre · 01/11/2024 18:27

@Azaleah I love your wise words.

Appalonia · 01/11/2024 18:35

Azaleah · 01/11/2024 15:26

I think CBA ness sounds like most men I have known in my lifetime. Eight years post-menopause and I think now it's my time to not be arsed about anything.

Women can be control freaks and that's in part due to sex hormones., because it's important for reproduction and childcare.

One thing that works for me nowadays is to focus on one specific task at a time. Forget about multitasking. Enjoy every moment even if it's a CBA moment. Why not? We're entitled to be lazy, tired, and indifferent. We have done enough. Most women have/had to work, look after children and elderly parents, while most men only have/had to work. This is bound to have consequences.

Menopause is a turning point in our lives. Do we fight it or do we embrace it? Is menopause killing us or is it freeing us from the reproductive burden? Can we find a middle ground between these extremes?

Perimenopause is a hormonal rollercoaster, but so is puberty and, at least in my case, adulthood, because my periods and PMT were not what I would call a nice monthly experience. So what's different now, in menopause? Is menopause (ie, the hormone withdrawal) the culprit or is it also a middle age crisis thing?

Why do you think this flatness is happening?

I sincerely think it's because it's about time to slow down and focus on what is really important for us now that we're free from reproduction/childcare, and nature's way of doing it is putting our ovaries and to rest in peace.

The problem is that after 4 billion years of evolution, sex hormones can affect our bodies in other ways that have become important for women who are living longer periods of time after menopause.

However, despite being more empowered and informed about menopause, many women still struggle to break free from the stigma of middle age and feel 'useless' because they don't fit in the 'feminine' stereotypes any more (young, beautiful and sexy slut, lovely wife, below average paid worker, funny granny).

Each woman is a different universe and only you can know what is important for you, but this is not a straightforward answer, it takes time, effort and patience to know thyself.

I do agree, it is a time to reevaluate, I think tho, being made redundant and caring for elderly parents with stroke/ dememtia/blindness for years has just sucked the life out of me and I don't know how to get it back!

Azaleah · 01/11/2024 18:48

SirChenjins · 01/11/2024 17:58

I don’t feel useless at all - I’m just sick of all the shite that goes along with work, the house and family stuff, and want to live my own life. It’s not that complicated.

I said 'useless' in the sense that feeling like this (CBA, flat) can be interpreted by some women that their lives are not as worthy as before.

For some women it's more about feeling 'guilty'. For others it's about feeling that life is passing them by.

Shite happens all the time at work, at home, everywhere really. Do you mean that before menopause you were ok with all the shite, or you could handle it better than after menopause, or do mean you can't stand it any more because you've had enough of it?

SirChenjins · 01/11/2024 18:51

None of those - I now see much of it as superfluous and meaningless in the universe.

FaceLikeACrackedScreen · 01/11/2024 18:55

I'm frustrated with myself and my inability to make an effort and actually do things. A friend cancelled a weekend away this week and I just thought YES! A weekend alone at home, no plans other than whatever me and the cat choose to do.

Susiesue61 · 01/11/2024 19:03

I have felt like this for ages. Tried HRT but felt awful on it. Recently had a really long heavy bleed, coupled with being overwhelmed at work.
i have changed my copper coil for a Mirena but have also started some antidepressants, I can’t continue like this!! Have had a week off work and hoping things will now pick up

DorotheaDiamond · 01/11/2024 19:05

DH completely doesn’t understand why I have literally no interest in food - just cba to prepare anything…toast is fine!

Azaleah · 01/11/2024 19:41

Appalonia · 01/11/2024 18:35

I do agree, it is a time to reevaluate, I think tho, being made redundant and caring for elderly parents with stroke/ dememtia/blindness for years has just sucked the life out of me and I don't know how to get it back!

I hear you. During perimenopause my mum died, my Labrador died, my partner cheated on me big time, I lost my job (not my fault), I had to move back to my hometown to be my father's sole caregiver, with no support from my siblings. Over a decade of misery and despair alongside hot flushes, joint pain, fatigue, poor sleep, migraines, flooding periods, health anxiety, amongst other symptoms.

I tried HRT for 6 months, it didn't help and I had suicidal thoughts. My life was upside down and all I could do was keep going.

Did I feel that I had been robbed of my 'life' during this ordeal? Yes. Did I blame it on the general ignorance and taboo about menopause? Yes. Did I regret not persevering with HRT? Sometimes, but only after reading other women praising the benefits of HRT. Did I feel like I was dying from all sorts of diseases? Yes.

Do I still feel like this? Absolutely not.

I see everything differently now, probably one of the benefits of hindsight, but I think it's more than just that.

It's about perspective and perception of what life is.

When some women say they want their life back I struggle to understand. Life is so much more than the comfort zone in which most of us are, and I think that clinging to it is a mistake. Every experience is valid, even the most terrifying ones.

Life is tough and we have to try to make the best of it, but that doesn't mean pursuing unrealistic goals and clinging to unreasonable expectations.

How do I cope in moments of uncertainty, fear, stress, anxiety, depression, pain? I try to learn as much as possible from all the shite, so I can be prepared for the worst.

If I had been previously educated about menopause, (and puberty, and marriage, and ageing), I'd probably be a happier person, but I still have a lot to learn and that's probably the only thing that I can be arsed to do.

Azaleah · 01/11/2024 19:47

SirChenjins · 01/11/2024 18:51

None of those - I now see much of it as superfluous and meaningless in the universe.

Same here! But how do you feel about it? Is it frightening, liberating, challenging, frustrating, what?

JaneFondue · 01/11/2024 20:11

I am annoying all my friends by going the other way and cramming more fun into my life than ever before. Definitely not interested in cooking or domestic stuff, but I go out, travel, meet friends, have many hobbies...
Because I dont know how many good years I have left.

Fififizz · 02/11/2024 04:46

@Azaleah
You make many valid points about roles, expectations etc. I can relate to the multi tasking which once I thought of as my superpower and now I’m not so sure. I think though the flatness I feel is deeper and due to hormonal imbalances. There’s just no mojo there to enjoy and do things for just myself even. I’m just absent somehow. It feels very odd and I don’t recognise myself.

@JaneFondue
It’s great you feel able and are packing so much in. Even the thought of how little time I might have left doesn’t seem to
motivate me. It’s weird.

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WarriorN · 02/11/2024 05:45

Make sure Gp is testing testosterone levels and thyroid; I found I needed less thyroxine when on it. And went a bit hyper and lost lots of hair. It grew back.

WarriorN · 02/11/2024 05:54

I only needed half dose despite zero testosterone before I started.

There's a lot of interplay with the hrt and thyroid levels. I think testosterone helps t3.

Oral progesterone (utrogestan) also seems to lead to needing less thyroxine (in me anyway.)

I'm off it all now as had breast cancer. I recognise the flatness. But I've done a combo of different types of exercise, diet and mindset over the last year (primarily for the cancer and to manage meno symptoms) and found my mojo is returning. Also concentration and ability to filter out procrastination/ distractions. I was ready to accept the flatness and lack of drive and it's been an unexpected bonus.

I also listened to a lot of podcasts from Zoe, Michael Mosely, live better feel more. I do think some of the bits from here and there has helped my mental health.

Slightly Low thyroid levels do cause flatness too.

Fififizz · 02/11/2024 05:56

@WarriorN
Thx for the heads up. I ended up having to seek private thyroid treatment in the end but this GP does seem to understand how all the hormones relate unlike the NHS endocrinologist

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PeggyMitchellsCameo · 02/11/2024 06:37

Woke up early as per. I now sleep in our spare room as my sleep is rubbish and partner snores. Here’s my thoughts on the day:

  1. I am going to force myself to go food shopping. I already have the rage.
  2. I am already dreading Christmas. I organise everything and I already know not one single person will get me a thoughtful present. Have to tell my partner what to buy me. I now just request a book. I now have a little budget to buy myself a few treats ie things someone might buy if they actually knew me. I have the rage.
  3. I have a secret stash of chocolate in this spare room which is empty today. I need to stop eating it. But having none gives me the rage.
  4. my once reasonably pleasant face is one I no longer recognise. The new one is dry, blotchy, bloated and reflects the rage.
  5. I tried testosterone and it cost me £200. It did not give me a libido but two hairy inner arms. And the rage.
  6. I want to give my late mum a hug as I am turning into her and had no idea what she went through.
  7. I have given up on my appearance, what used to be a decent figure, my hopes and dreams.
  8. my partner is lovely in lots of ways but sometimes the way he breathes gives me the rage.
  9. I am alive. Lots of people my age I have now lost, so I will take it as a win.
  10. No chocolate today. Because if I keep going it will be Ozempic time. And I reckon that would give me the rage as well!
Fififizz · 02/11/2024 06:43

WarriorN · 02/11/2024 05:54

I only needed half dose despite zero testosterone before I started.

There's a lot of interplay with the hrt and thyroid levels. I think testosterone helps t3.

Oral progesterone (utrogestan) also seems to lead to needing less thyroxine (in me anyway.)

I'm off it all now as had breast cancer. I recognise the flatness. But I've done a combo of different types of exercise, diet and mindset over the last year (primarily for the cancer and to manage meno symptoms) and found my mojo is returning. Also concentration and ability to filter out procrastination/ distractions. I was ready to accept the flatness and lack of drive and it's been an unexpected bonus.

I also listened to a lot of podcasts from Zoe, Michael Mosely, live better feel more. I do think some of the bits from here and there has helped my mental health.

Slightly Low thyroid levels do cause flatness too.

I’m sorry to read about your health issues and hope you had good support through your BC treatment and beyond?

My thyroid is improved now and so I don’t get crashing fatigue, exhaustion and awful black depressions but the exercise I was doing was high impact and doesn’t suit me anymore.

Do you mind sharing please what exercise suits you now and diet? I’m so confused about food as I don’t enjoy it the same now but I know I need to try to eat well. I’m not really into cakes, biscuits etc, try to avoid bread and gluten but haven’t eliminated it. Still have dairy, some fruit, plenty of nuts, some fish/meat. I think I need to
give up caffeine but am currently refusing as it’s my last vice.

I do agree with the idea that the best support is a multi targeted one of diet, exercise, sleep and mindset along with HRT if you want it/can take it and if it helps. I’m sorry you can’t have it any longer but your post sounds like you have reached a positive outlook on things?

Thanks

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Flidina · 02/11/2024 06:58

Me too, I'm 59, and have felt like I cba with everything and anyone for about a year, no hrt, but I've lost a significant amount of weight due to weightloss surgery, so really should be buzzing around doing everything I couldn't do before. I find I'm not really Intrested in anything, don't really like being around people and just want a quiet life and to be left alone. I've always been proactive person, liked being organised and getting things done, but these days I have very little patience or motivation, not sure what I can do to improve things.

Fififizz · 02/11/2024 07:21

@PeggyMitchellsCameo
Christmas just does the opposite of what’s intended to me. Currently waiting to fly home and I anticipate the build up to the UK Christmas will be in full swing once we land. One of the benefits of being away is swerving some of that. I wouldn’t feel guilty about the chocolate but maybe quality over quantity might be the best way to go? I was pretty horrified at the cr**p ingredients listed in a bar of lindt and that’s expensive so I’m talking about a smaller indulgence in the really high end stuff.

My skin is so dry and that makes me look and feel awful too. There just doesn’t seem to be a sufficiently hydrating product but I suppose it’s internal as well as external. Currently surrounded by slim, young, Asians with glossy dark hair and smooth skin. I was never a looker but feel a bit like an aged blob in comparison.

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Seasidewalker · 02/11/2024 08:15

@PeggyMitchellsCameo

I hear you! I think we have all found our tribe here 🤗💐

Seasidewalker · 02/11/2024 08:26

Interested re the thyroid discussion, mine has been borderline overactive for years. I started HRT for crashing overwhelm and fatigue in May. I had a fantastic 6 weeks or so where I felt like I used to, cared about life, valued my DH, had energy and actually wanted to leave the house - it was magical but then dropped off and I'm back to no energy, interest etc. Some symptoms are improved so I'm reasonably sure I'm absorbing. I've increased the dose and played with a higher level with no success but my SHBG is so high that much of the hormone level will be bound.

My previous thyroid lump has reappeared and after weeks getting the GP to do thyroid tests (they forgot to do the T4 🙄), my level can't back right on the bottom number of the TSH range.

Waiting for a scan this week. ENT say they aren't interested in thyroid function 🙄. GP has said if benign will refer to endo.

I'm convinced my symptoms are thyroid but technically I'm in range....

piscofrisco · 02/11/2024 08:26

This is absolutely me. We have a lot of stress in our lives for various reasons, and dh suffers with bad anxiety and depression as a result.
I've always been the one to plan stuff for us, see the bright side, gently keep us all ticking along. I've been an optimistic person all my life. And I suddenly find, that with additional pre meni symptoms, that I just can't do it anymore. I'm not interested in life enough to make the effort. I can't get excited or optimistic about anything.
Usually this time of year I would be planning happily for Christmas-I love Christmas as a rule. I can't even be bothered to think about it.