Modibodi and gender

[Emilypank]

I was reading another thread with regard to Modibodi and period pants. I am going through the menopause and my periods have become erratic and very heavy. I thought I’d have a look on this website and unfortunately the first thing I am greeted with is a headline. Period wear for all genders and a picture of a girl with a moustache, and a bulge in her period pants. Anyone else just fed up with this insidious movement even when having to find pants which will stop me leaking blood through my trousers or on my bed. I am a menopausal woman with heavy periods and my menopausal anger is increasing daily. Any thoughts.

Yes but what sex are you?

Menopause doesn’t work on gender.

“I think we really need to break the stigma that only women menstruate, because you have no idea who does."

Being pedantic, this makes no sense. It isn't a stigma that only women menstruate, it's a fact. I guess what they want to say is "break the myth that only women menstruate" or some similar bullshit, but instead - Freudian slip - betrayed their belief that there's a stigma around menstruating women. Sadly I don't think they can identify out of that internalised misogynistic disgust by upholding the pretence that men have periods too. But it's interesting that they think that might be possible if we all join the delusion.

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Absolutely agree with this.

I'm unsure why those of you who adamantly state that trans men are women care so much because, in your view, a woman with facial hair is in an advert for periods, and that is somehow offensive?

Again you misunderstand, or possibly misrepresent.

I don't find it "offensive". I find it an act of power imposed upon women to the detriment of women.

I'm 100% happy for a woman who wants to present in male cultural tropes to be represented. The only issue I have with the hormone and surgical experiments to create a cross sex appearance is the damage they do. If they were safe I'd support those 100% as well.

It's the assertion that she is not a woman that I find chilling. Because in order make that assertion, the definition of woman, and all the political and social voice and presence that goes with it, has to be changed not just for her, who believes she needs that to be herself, but for every single adult female human in the world. It diminishes us all.

@FourAndTwentyBlackbirdsBakedInAPie I didn't mention advertising. I understand why Modibodi would want to represent all the groups it sells to - women, pregnant women, men, children, transwomen and transmen, etc. - in an advert.

What I disagree with is groups being semantically bundled together in a way that practically inconveniences one group purely so another group can feel a certain way. For example, it would be odd to suddenly include the children's products in the men's section of the website as those products don't meet men's needs. It's the same when you suddenly include products for transmen in the 'women's underpants' section. I don't see why the existence of transmen means women can't use 'woman' in relation to periods and have to scroll past all their products when searching for their own.

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Period underwear is for all genders but somehow this advertising page and the pants are for "men".

The comments point out they can also be used for anyone who menstruates so don't panic 🙄

It's not semantics.

You brought up the word 'enhanced' and it's just wrong @FourAndTwentyBlackbirdsBakedInAPie

Do you know a woman in RL who wears a false penis in her knickers?
Has she told you, personally, it 'enhances her life' ? Have you met a woman who does this? Who 'feels more confident' because she's got a plastic penis in her pants. Really?

Or are you simply assuming this, as it fits with your own mindset?

@JinglingSpringbells Oscar McGregor explains their experience of being a transman here @She or he (I have no idea which is right given Oscar appears on both the women's and men's areas of the website) is entirely relatable. Nobody could reasonably argue that Oscar should not be allowed to go about his/her business. However, at no point watching this is it clear why the whole entire rest of womenkind should have to scroll past Oscar and his packer.

Give Oscar his own space, but don't force women to browse products for Oscar in order to validate his/her experience and waste their time.

I talk to many trans men per week. Many do say that packers help them for various reasons.

It's not my mindset, I'm not trans, I talk, listen and understand as much as I can and base my opinion off what I hear.

The word I used is correct, I know what I meant, and I meant what I said. If it makes you feel superior to start correcting, what you felt, I meant, then go ahead, I'm not going to argue the point over a correctly used word.

Gosh. Where do you meet them all? I have never met a transman.

I used to know a transwoman but it was years ago, and he was really a cross-dresser. I am sure that the terminology had not been invented then (it was 30 years ago).

I talk to many trans men per week. Many do say that packers help them for various reasons

@FourAndTwentyBlackbirdsBakedInAPie I am just trying to imagine the circumstances in which this topic of conversation comes up. How is it that you know so many transmen and why do you discuss packers with them? Isn't that a bit intrusive and nosy if it even happens

@FourAndTwentyBlackbirdsBakedInAPie must work in healthcare given they speak to many transmen each week.

Even so, it seems a bit odd that they meet so many transmen.

Gids employee?

I'm not going to argue the point over a correctly used word.

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Really?

But you are and have! Both when you replied to me and @Janiie , who picked you up on 'enhanced'.

You must work in /for an organisation that supports transmen if you meet so many in a week, considering how few there are in the population- about 1:1000 at most.

I don't know many trans men, I speak to many trans men. I personally know 3.

Is it really so difficult to imagine a circumstances where someone would speak to various people in a minority group about personal issues to do with that minority group?

Not really sure why you think I would make it up. Just par for the course on MN though, those of us who support trans folk are liars and worse.

Regardless, people can't spout that trans men are women and then complain when trans men are used in the advertising of period pants.

Regardless, people can't spout that trans men are women and then complain when trans men are used in the advertising of period pants.

It's just madness. If as you say, transmen are women, why do they need their own 'space' on a website for period products? Why aren't they happy with the fact the pants are for women with periods- them!

You aren't very logical.

We can complain as much as we like.
It's a form of censorship to insist that we mustn't criticise the promotion of trans when women's safe spaces are being eroded and the word 'woman' is being sidelined in favour of 'person'.

Young people are being brainwashed and confused by the promotion of this tiny minority and some (as you must know if you are a counsellor working for an organisation) end up having surgery that destroys their lives.

All this language nonsense. People who menstruate. People who have a cervix. Uterus-havers.

Well I don't menstruate. I don't have a cervix or a uterus (although I used to). I am still a woman. Men do not menstruate. Men do not have a menopause. Men do not need access to sanitary towels, tampons or period pants.

DH reports that a basket of period products has appeared in the gents' loos at work, much to the bemusement of all the men. They have taken to adding to the supplies and DH gleefully tells me the new additions each day it's in. People have been leaving cans of beer, condoms, packs of football stickers and free sample sachets of shampoo. Because they all know leaving Tampax in the gent is just nonsense.

Bet you’d never see someone with breasts on the next ad for erectile disfunction.

It's just madness. If as you say, transmen are women, why do they need their own 'space' on a website for period products? Why aren't they happy with the fact the pants are for women with periods- them!

I don't say trans men are women. People on this thread are saying that trans men are women but also shouldn't be represented as a minority group for period products, despite having periods.

You're right, it's not a very logical train of thought.

If you do happen to think that trans men are women then why do you care if they are represented in advertising, or have a space on a site to make them more comfortable.

Either buy what you need or vote with your feet.

'People on this thread are saying that trans men are women but also shouldn't be represented as a minority group for period products, despite having periods.'

Transmen don't need to have their masculine images on women's products. They know what they need to buy, must everyone have an image similar to themselves before purchase? I'm happy to buy clothes and underwear featuring young models that don't look anything like me.

So. What.

I've just had a look, the "man" is clearly a transman when you see a different photo without a top. In addition the pants are marketed for incontinence and that's why I buy them too (I blame my kids!)

People seem to want to be offended. They don't mention sex which is binary

@Janiie

One thing I like about modibodi is that they have multiple models for each product so you can get an approximate idea of what it will look like on you,