Modibodi and gender

[Emilypank]

I was reading another thread with regard to Modibodi and period pants. I am going through the menopause and my periods have become erratic and very heavy. I thought I’d have a look on this website and unfortunately the first thing I am greeted with is a headline. Period wear for all genders and a picture of a girl with a moustache, and a bulge in her period pants. Anyone else just fed up with this insidious movement even when having to find pants which will stop me leaking blood through my trousers or on my bed. I am a menopausal woman with heavy periods and my menopausal anger is increasing daily. Any thoughts.

I had a look on the website and these are aimed at women taking testosterone rather than men who pretend to have periods, which is what I thought the picture was about initially. Their blog posts about it are unintentionally hilarious:

"A big reason why menstruation has been linked to the idea of being a ‘woman’ is the continued use of gendered language surrounding periods."

More explanation on their blog

Intersex people HAVE A SEX & have repeatedly asked to KEEP THEM OUT OF THE GENDER CONVERSATION, because it's got nothing to do with them.

You cannot 'identify' as being intersex.
It isn't a feeling, it's something real that some people were born with.
You can't transition into being intersex or detransition out of it.

Have some respect for their request.
They are not some sort of human Clownfish for you to pull out of your back pocket & wave in peoples faces if you want them to give in to your way of thinking.

I had an email from them today and unsubscribed.

It's just all so tedious.

I am absolutely sick to death of this. If you were born with a penis, you will remain a male/man until the day you die. You can identify as anything that you want, it doesn't change the fact, that you were born with a penis. And it doesn’t mean that anyone else has to agree with you.

If you have a problem with this, redo your biology exams!!!!!!!

I don’t personally have a problem with trans people. Life is too short, and you have to be happy with who you are.

My personal issue is the effect that’s it’s having on women’s prisons, women’s refuges, changing rooms and toilets. And not least, women’s sports.

We aren’t safe ANYWHERE.

I would like trans people to accept that they are trans people. It’s that simple.

I am in my 50s and going through flooding and all sorts with a young teenage DD (not a regular cycle yet). She does not want to see this when she is looking at a new pattern for her next purchase. We have spent around £300 with them but switching to another brand now. We went online together to look at new colours, we just looked at each other and hit the unsubscribe button. I don’t think they want our business, after all we are only born female and not ‘brave’ people changing gender.
the same here, only mine is late teen. I unsubscribed straight after receiving their email about this. This idea that not only women can menstruate is absolutely ridiculous.

They don't think they're women. I've started to use trans identifying male more than transwomen. It doesn't feel that comfortable but it's a small change

Wait until these fellas realise they've got to pay VAT on these items.

Exactly.

I don't think anybody is denying that.
It's the transwomen (actual men) who seem to be determined to appropriate periods for themselves, despite their not having a uterus.

I agree with you btw, men don't have periods.

But I also can't see the harm in including transmen (and calling them transmen). So period pants are for female people. Aka women and transmen. And NB females.

This is exactly it. Transwomen are transwomen. Transmen are transmen.

it really is that simple!

The problem is that instead of having a single, simple word that encompasses all those variations on adult, female human, we have to enumerate all the possible different identities so each group that rejected the word woman is not excluded from something that is important to them due to their biology being, actually, that of a woman.

It's asinine. A bunch of people decide arbitrarily that Woman doesn't mean a type of body, it means a type of personality, and then get sniffy if they are called women because they don't identify as this new meaning, and then get sniffy again because we didn't transfer all the old type of body meanings from the old word (that did just fine) to the new words they demanded instead.

It would have been so, so much easier to not insist Woman meant something different to adult female human in the first place.

Totally. It would have been so much easier. But as people are insisting on changing the words then I'm personally happy to go with

Males = men, transwomen and NB males.
Females = women, transmen and NB females.

Not saying I'm right, and actually I'd prefer to just stick with the old men/women definitions. But provided I'm still allowed to call my self a woman (without the c*s word) not a womb haver/menstruator/cervix haver etc etc then I'll agree to go with the above.

I have a daughter who has been caught up in this utter madness. She’s now convinced she needs surgery and hormones because of utter crap like this.
please complain to the advertising standards authority. Doesn’t take long.

www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint.html

Forgive me for feeling very sorry for someone who is bleeding out of their vagina but needs period pants that have a pouch for you to stuff with material and/or place a silicon penis within. It must be such a head f**k and make going about your day really complicated and challenging. And then you're going to be on edge because someone might use the wrong pronoun and cause you further trauma.

There but for the grace of the goddess...

On the one hand I can see that this is a woman, a woman on testosterone, with a fake penis down her period pants (how would that work in reality, with a period ? Uncomfortable surely? ) but still a woman so , hmmm, ok. Then I think of when my dds next choose some new pants, and they see this person who looks as though they may also have had a mastectomy , and I so angry at the enforced normalising of this ideology that is damaging so many teenage girls. So that is my issue with it.

Blooming heck, but you don’t exude period blood from your brain, do you?

Trans identities and DSDs (“intersex”) are completely different things. It’s pretty dim stuff to confuse them (as vast swathes of teenagers on social media have been encouraged erroneously to do).

Modibodi have been daft for a while, OP. It’s a shame as I bought some years ago when they were still a woman-focused brand. But I don’t now feel like buying from a company that goes along with fashionable idiocy, appropriating women’s real lives and experiences in the service of luxury “activism” whilst still expecting us to finance it by ponying up for their overpriced pants.

Write to modibodi and tell them you don’t like it.

If someone is traumatised by menstruation and female being linked, then why the fuck aren't they on the pill to stop their periods. Or have an IUD. Or get injections? Or anything else? I imagine looking down and seeing a bloody silicon dick would be even more traumatic. I mean if you're going to get your breasts amputated, surely to goodness you'll not want a bloody packer?!

I don't buy that there's a big market for trans men period pants. Not even remotely. This is virtue signalling. Any trans man who hasn't chosen to artificially stop their periods - one of the physical reminders of their detested sex - is surely not stupid enough to know they can wear period pants? There are so few trans men anyway, that it probably costs more to get the model with amputated breasts and a wee moustache and change the website, than they make from actual trans men's purchases.

If I was one of the few trans men who actually had periods, I'd not buy from this company as they're using my pain to profit from, by virtue signalling to women who in turn virtue signal my pain.

*..stupid enough to NOT know they can wear period pants.

Yes, excellent choice of words: “enforced normalising”.

I too am appalled at the thought of pubescent girls and young women seeing photos of teenage girls with moustaches and (elected) double mastectomy scars and fake penises shoved into their period pants. It’s akin to exposing them to another person’s trauma or fetish.

It’s not brave or cool or admirable: it’s very sick, very disturbing and very irresponsible of the adults (who are supposed to be) in charge.

What is frightening is that all of this is a 'movement'. There is money and an agenda behind it. Undoubtedly there have been trans people forever, no doubt going back centuries. They couldn't have surgery or hormones way back, but if they chose to live as a different gender, that was up to them as long as it didn't harm society.

They are a tiny, tiny minority.

A recent survey (perhaps part of the stats quoted here earlier) showed that the age group 16-24 identified most as trans, whereas the older people were, the less likely they were to.

Now why is that?

This shows either that young people are being encouraged to try a trans way of living, by the media and certain pressure groups, or they are experimenting because between 16-24 they are unsure of who they are (and they are being encouraged to change their gender of they want to as a solution to other problems they may have.) I don't need to link to various sad cases where trans surgery was done and those young people now regret it, after being pushed down that road by 'professionals' who thought it would make them happier.

And adverts like this one are part of this slow, social conditioning which is being promoted by very powerful groups with an agenda. And worse, is their outrage if anyone dares to question it.

@MillicentTrilbyHiggins I've been through tonnes when I thought that too. But sure as eggs is eggs, I bet as soon as any number of us do that, along will come another 20 variations of people who are XX but who don't identify as women. How long a list are you willing to recite every time the word woman used to do?

I've thought around similar ideas, such as "women and female people who don't identify as women" or "women and people who have periods who don't identify as women" but a) they're all clunky and b) more importantly they capitulate to the erosion of language. Put simply it is far too important to women's rights that we have a word to describe adult human females. If we capitulate to the erosion of the language, we make it very easy to take away other women's only things, such as spaces, loos, services, prisons and sports.

*I've been through times, not tonnes!

On "wearing" a silicone penis during your period... as well as uncomfortable surely it would get covered in blood😳we have enough to deal with, with cups/pads/tampons without having to deal with a bloodied silicone willy too.

Anyway - ebay has some brilliant off brand period pants for around £6 each that are great.