Modibodi and gender

[Emilypank]

I was reading another thread with regard to Modibodi and period pants. I am going through the menopause and my periods have become erratic and very heavy. I thought I’d have a look on this website and unfortunately the first thing I am greeted with is a headline. Period wear for all genders and a picture of a girl with a moustache, and a bulge in her period pants. Anyone else just fed up with this insidious movement even when having to find pants which will stop me leaking blood through my trousers or on my bed. I am a menopausal woman with heavy periods and my menopausal anger is increasing daily. Any thoughts.

I wonder if the man/woman/other (I would hate to assume his/her/their gender) is actually a person that bleeds or if he/she/they just enjoys being kinky wearing women's period underwear.

For role play purposes? 🤔

Why are you grateful?

For what?

You either have a penis and don't have periods, or you are a woman with a womb (unless removed via surgery) who has periods.

How you choose to identify yourself without gender reassignment surgery is your choice.

It's also other women's choice not to see photos of men pretending to have periods.

Well said @JinglingSpringbells.
I too can't get past men who are identifying as transgender (that bit's fine by the way) who want to lay claim to things their body just can't do, because of their biology. It's madness.

I think if men ever had periods they would very quickly NOT want to have them.

You never know we may see concrete physiological differences and evidence of the existence of trans-people

Perhaps we will.

And if we do, those things will still not mean a trans person's inner feeling of gender is interchangeable with actually being person of the opposite sex, nor justify their appropriating the name and resources of that sex.

Because whether gender exists or not, sex, undeniably, does exist. And wanting to be a different sex is not the same thing as being the opposite sex.

And gender, even if we discover that it also exists as a concrete, physiological thing independent of cultural constructs, is still a different thing to sex.

So, even if gender does exist, there is still no logic whatsoever in the claim that the words we use for sex, Man and Woman, somehow "really" meant an as-yet-undefined-and-undetected different thing all along.

So believe anything you want to believe about yourself. Find kindred spirits and give your thing a whole new name. Form a political movement for rights based on your thing. All fine.

Just don't take the name of something that already exists then demand everyone starts using it for your thing instead.

If you don't believe trans men are men then it shouldn't be an issue to see them represented in advertising period products. I don't get why its an issue for someone who has periods, but wishes to wear a packer, to be shown.

There's clearly a market for it or they wouldn't do it.

I guess the issue is the fact that these products are being inclusive of women who have periods, who identify as men, not the other way around.

Therefore as mentioned upthread, it's inclusive of all genders.

There's clearly a market for it or they wouldn't do it

I doubt it.

How many women want to identify as men?

You think they are making and advertising this product despite there being no demand for it?

You may not like it, but there are plenty of trans men who will use them, and plenty of people who actively look for trans inclusive companies to buy things from.

There are also plenty of companies that aren't trans inclusive so everyone can have a choice and vote with their feet.

You never know - indeed 🤭

Well no...
If you are actually perimenopausal you are a women.
If you have or have ever had a penis you are a man and therefore cannot be perimenopausal.
Get your facts right.

I think there is one flaw in your argument. 'Plenty of trans men'.

There simply are not plenty of trans men. The number of trans people is about 0.5% and very few are women -to-men.

Women who wish to identify as men, and who have not had surgery, will have been dealing with periods for years .

Why they need to see a women dressed as a man in order to buy a product they have used in some form or other since the age of 12/13 is unfathomable.

It's called jumping on the bandwagon.

It's also other women's choice not to see photos of men pretending to have periods

It's just as well that's not what modibodi are showing then isn't it.

As long as they aren't erasing the word women (and it doesn't look like they are) then I can't see the issue. Women, including trans men, have periods.

If you believe in gender (which I don't particularly) then periods are genderless.
They only affect people of the female sex, but all "genders"

They got form for it:

When the DM picked up another MN thread on ModiBodi

You presumably don’t have a penis though.

it’s ridiculous.

@discobrain By non-binary you mean your gender (from choice rather than biology) is not female or male, but you are using HRT so you clearly are a woman. You can call yourself a chair or a wardrobe if you want, but biologically you are female.

Yep. Not buying any more pants from them (they weren't great anyway tbh)

Oh please make this nonsense stop.
Men have penis and no periods
Women even if they wear men's clothes and try to look like a man, are women and menstruate.

There's no flaw in my argument, the number of trans men isn't exactly insignificant. I also said there are lots of people who look for trans inclusive companies.

There are lots of things we don't need to see in advertising, why do we need to see all body types? Why do we need to see all ages? Etc. Odd to get het up about this one thing.

Jeez, the Photoshop did some heavy lifting there. Which is more likely to put me off any product - after all, who wants to have their belly button and apron both shrivel and move sideways if they wear those? (they're shit design for anybody large who doesn't have a nearly flat, firm lower abdomen in any case, as they don't have enough room at the front, even if they do leave a gap underneath for padding - which leaves a space for friction for everybody else).

I'm on my last nerve with it all tonight.

Let it happen. Let it go so far as to a point that a tw sues someone for not letting them be an egg donar. Because until something like this happens we are going to see an end to this.

There's no flaw in my argument, the number of trans men isn't exactly insignificant.

In England and Wales, the 2021 census showed 0.5% of the population (252,000) as identifying as a different gender to their birth sex. If you take half of that figure as being female then that’s 126,000 compared to over 30,400,000 women.