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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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ShagMeRiggins · 23/01/2021 11:00

kilojules don’t worry about it. My concern was that you were on something called The Keto Soup diet Grin and I, nor anyone else here, would really be able to offer proper advice!

Anyway, glad to hear you’re on board here at Bootcamp and of course you can still use keto recipes. Lots here do it. It’s just that—as I’m now sure you know—keto diet is very specific about carb intake and here we don’t count carbs at all other than to establish which foods fit into the low/medium/high category.

I honestly couldn’t tell you how many carbs I consume on a day, any day. All I know is I’ve lost close to 5 stones Not Counting Carbs.

The kale crisps were a good suggestion for snack. You can flavour them with anything as well—paprika, onion or garlic powder, etc

Hopeislost · 23/01/2021 11:00

@BrassicaBabe If it's the chicken skin crackling that you're referring to, I have an unloved variety box here (11 packets) from the last Bootcamp. Not my cup of tea, don't want any money for them.

ShagMeRiggins · 23/01/2021 11:04

@Ninkanink

Oops misspelt that but you know who I mean. 🙂
I tried to name change to kilojoules to answer but it’s already taken.

Just wanted everyone to know I was almost funny.

Bored? Moi? Hmm

Ninkanink · 23/01/2021 11:05

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously I find that a little teaspoon of peanut butter eaten straight off the spoon (either in one go or in many little licks —ohh sounds faintly risqué — really hits that sweet tooth spot when nothing else will do - I reason that there’re plenty of nutrients in there as well so it’s giving me some goodness as well as satisfying that craving.

@kilojules I’ve never had them! But I imagine they might be similar to seaweed without the fishiness...

kilojules · 23/01/2021 11:08

@ShagMeRiggins
Thanks for your reply! I don't do keto either just follow recipes Don't count macros or carb and only reason I know I ate 90g of fat is it logs it in MFP.
I was doing the 5 day erm "soup" diet from the inreathetheimhungry just to get me started because I needed that strictness just for a couple of days to get me started. Now

nowlook · 23/01/2021 11:14

@ShagMeRiggins
Why not start the second thread for week one before BIWI does? That would be funny too. Gwaaan. Dare you.

StuntNun · 23/01/2021 11:19

Brassica where can you buy chicken skins from? My kids go crazy for the stuff!

Kilojules keto involves tight tracking of macros including limiting protein intake. It seems that some recent "keto" approaches are actually low carb so it depends what plan you're following. BIWI's Low Carb Bootcamp is technically a primal low carb way of eating since it allows dairy and focused on healthy unprocessed foods. It isn't keto since protein intake is unlimited and there's no need to be in ketosis.

prettybird · 23/01/2021 11:32

kilojules - I'm sure you'll enjoy Boot Camp - especially as by following The Rules you should never need to feel hangry Smile

I would however suggest that if you're having/needing a Bulletproof Coffee because you're hungry, you're not really intermittently fasting Confused If you're hungry, then have a proper breakfast (FF Greek yoghurt or leftovers from the night before - especially veg Wink). Once you're properly ketogenically adapted, then you might be able to do a full 16:8 IF without feeling hungry - but not all of us find that possible.

Ninkanink · 23/01/2021 11:33

Ugh I dropped one of my parentheses there; I hate it when I do that!

Non-BC related question here: I suppose it’s statistically quite unlikely but do any of you have a Le creuset kettle? I really want one but the reviews aren’t great. Hoping I can come across someone who has one who can vouch that it’s been brilliant for them...

kilojules · 23/01/2021 11:44

@ShagMeRiggins
Thanks for your reply! I don't do keto either. Don't count macros or carbs and only reason I know I ate 90g of fat is it logs it in MFP.
I was doing the 5 day erm "soup" diet from the inreathetheimhungry just to get me started because I needed that strictness just for a couple of days and to take the work out of figuring out meals after work. I know it's not in the rules but I would've really struggled otherwise. It does include breakfast which is eggs, butter, bacon and avocado but I have it later. It's helped. I'm down 5lbs since Monday and carb cravings subsiding. I can now focus on just eating lots of fat and veg.

Sorry I shouldn't have posted about my meal day if I knew it would cause confusion.

I'll give the Kale crisps a try! Really hoping I'll like them. I'm more of a sweet popcorn gal so once the BC week is over and we're allowed some sweetners I'll look up some recipes to make for treats.

5stone is amazing loss! And great you didint have to count carbs it's so tedious counting anything!! I lost 6 stone and was a couple of pounds away from goal weight but shamefully gained nearly 3 back in the last year. Really Hoping this year I can make goal!

BIWI · 23/01/2021 11:56

[quote nowlook]@ShagMeRiggins
Why not start the second thread for week one before BIWI does? That would be funny too. Gwaaan. Dare you.[/quote]
Be my guest! Grin

You can even have The Big Stick if you want?

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BrassicaBabe · 23/01/2021 11:58

Jees, I need to shift the xmas weight. Trying to get into my sports bra takes Houdini like contortions and getting into my leggings is like stuffing a sausage!Hmm

I've not bought chicken skin yet. But if you google there are lots of online places selling it. Some look more reputable than others. You can buy it by the lb or kg.

Almahart · 23/01/2021 11:59

My low carb bread arrived (am in week 4) and I have had toast with lots of butter and some marmite and a tea with soya milk. The occasional sandwich/piece of toast will make BC so much easier!

nowlook · 23/01/2021 12:00

I think of the Big Stick as akin to Excalibur @BIWI, so don't think it'd work. You're Arthur, mate. Soz Grin

kilojules · 23/01/2021 12:07

@prettybird thanks yes I plan to follow the rules. It's just for a couple of days. I drink the bulletproof coffee because it was in the 5 day plan I chose to do just to get me kickstarted and I normally have my coffee with milk and sweetners as absolutely hate black coffee Or unsweetened but this is more palatable for me.
Need the coffee in the morning to wake me up for work (Burnt out NHS worker yay) but not normally hungry till about 11ish SmileI know it's technically breaking the 16:8 window having a coffee with cream or milk but I can't have it black sadly or black tea or green tea bleach! Even though I know it's healthier!

BIWI · 23/01/2021 12:15

@nowlook

I think of the Big Stick as akin to Excalibur *@BIWI*, so don't think it'd work. You're Arthur, mate. Soz Grin
Oooh! Then I truly am Mumsnet Royalty! Grin
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BIWI · 23/01/2021 12:17

Sorry if it sounds like we're all picking on you @kilojules!

Grin Flowers
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ChristMyArse · 23/01/2021 12:23

I bloody love this thread. That is all.

ZiggZagg · 23/01/2021 12:24

@kilojules have you tried flavored green tea? Teapigs do a green tea with peppermint that is not that bad. I do understand the coffee need though (Burnt out CP Social Worker Grin) but I love black coffee so I can't help with any other suggestions Confused

ShagMeRiggins · 23/01/2021 12:38

[quote nowlook]@ShagMeRiggins
Why not start the second thread for week one before BIWI does? That would be funny too. Gwaaan. Dare you.[/quote]
I considered that (I really did!) but it would highlight my posts, not hers, and no one needs that in their lives.

Plus, it would be cruel and confusing and I would probably get a Big Stick up my not-really-big-anymore arse.

NotwatchingSpooks · 23/01/2021 12:41

Grebols hope you don’t mind me asking, but are you near menopause as when I was I felt really depressed and anxious, it was only when I started to have night sweats that I mentioned it to my GP and I am now on HRT which has really helped. It was a symptom of menopause that I was not aware of.

kilojules · 23/01/2021 12:53

@ZiggZagg I've tried several including a salted caramel(NOTHING like salted caramel felt like drinking grass haha) not teapigs though. I really don't enjoy the taste of green tea at all! Can have it on occasion but only with a sweetner which is out for the mo.
A sugar free hazelnut latte is my jam! It's those little things to brighten my day Grin
But I've put my big girl pants on and will stick to coffee and full fat milk or cream

ZiggZagg · 23/01/2021 12:56

Honestly, you will get used to it! I was always a latte girl and literally haven't had one since October after having several every day! Your palate changes and you get used to not sweet stuff, I promise Wink

kilojules · 23/01/2021 12:57

@BIWI Didint realise the rules! I'm learning Smile I'll try and log on from my laptop to see if I can find all the rules better. Or if there's a link I'd really appreciate it thanks!

AthelstaneTheUnready · 23/01/2021 13:00

[quote kilojules]@BIWI Didint realise the rules! I'm learning Smile I'll try and log on from my laptop to see if I can find all the rules better. Or if there's a link I'd really appreciate it thanks![/quote]
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