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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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1WayOrAnother2 · 22/01/2021 23:48

Who had the exciting recipe for pork mince? I can't find it now but would love to try it this weekend.

(Waves of plaster/dust are subsiding- new cupboards are emerging from the fog. The place looks bigger... but the rest of the house is still an art -installation version of a explosion 😁. Progress is encouraging.)

MrsOmelette · 23/01/2021 05:26

Yawn. Up at 4am, now on the settee cuddling with dog, cat & toddler. Last nights Cajun Burgers were delicious - homemade are so easy yet so much tastier than bought. My Friday evening treat was yoghurt, and it did feel like a treat as not having it much.
Today’s meals: B - green pepper omelette, L - vegetable soup, D - bolognese.

StuntNun · 23/01/2021 06:21

Eggy18 most cheese is fine from a carbohydrate point of view, although some can be higher carb if they contain e.g. onion. Cheese is a high calorie food though so, like nuts and alcohol, it can be very easy to have too much and stop weight loss. Some people find dairy stalls weight loss and/or makes them feel hungrier. This is because dairy protein can be hypersinsulinogenic in some people, which means your body produces excess insulin in response to dairy. However this rarely means you would need to give up dairy entirely. If you think dairy might be a problem for you then I recommend having it no more than twice a day. When we do see people having a weight loss stall due to dairy, they're often having it at every meal, or drinking lots of creamy coffees, or even swigging double cream straight from the tub - which is a really bad idea! Since the dairy protein is broken down by processing, cheeses and in particular hard or matured cheeses, aren't as bad as e.g. cream or yogurt. I personally avoid milk and have yogurt and cream only occasionally, but I eat cheese most days. Butter isn't a problem because it contains hardly any dairy protein - only about 1%. And ghee is virtually protein free. So even if you do react to dairy then butter and ghee are usually fine.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 23/01/2021 07:20

Just re-posting this again for those who can't find it:

NEW SPREADSHEET LINK

Bestbees · 23/01/2021 07:43

Morning all.
@tea69 I hope you feel better today

@1WayOrAnother2 we had an extension before Christmas. Much harder when you can't go to a friend or out for dinner to escape! But now it is finished the memory of the mess etc is distant and it was so worth it.

Feeling stuffed from my curry last night, and pleased with my more sensible choices. However I did drink a no alcohol beer. We have two types, and I checked the carb count of one (nanny state) and it would be able 4 per tin and thought OK I will have it. Then husband had poured me a different one with much higher count! Ah well.
Plan for today
B hmm nibble on something if I get hungry like olives/cheese/boiled egg
L left over curry and salad
D lamb cutlets with herb butter and broccoli puree.

Definitelymaybeee · 23/01/2021 07:51

Thanks BIWI, of course not. Also, thanks for the Rose Elliot recipe book suggestion, it's on my radar so I'll definitely get a copy. I made the sag paneer recipe from the vegetarian recipe suggestions last night and it was delicious. I didn't even care that I couldn't have the naan bread and poppadoms that everyone else was having, which is unheard of for me, even when I'm being "careful" 🙂

Frty · 23/01/2021 08:00

Slept really well again. No booze has it’s benefit although I was with BrassicaBabe last night, could have murdered for a glass of wine to mark the start of the weekend. But I persevered!

Dinner will be chicken cassoulet, with extra potatoes for the kids. Anybody got a good idea for making pork chops into a family meal? All I can think of is chops & roast veg.

Frty · 23/01/2021 08:01

Still rubbish at bolding, grumble grumble

Lyrata · 23/01/2021 08:10

Definitelymaybeee - I had a similar night last night! Expected temptation but was totally fine! It feels great, doesn’t it?

I had my support bubble/the flood victims over last night and cooked low carb. I made (massive) rib eye steaks, hollandaise sauce, roasted broccoli and tomatoes, and creamed spinach.

I also made roasted new potatoes but didn’t eat any of those myself - which is really good for me. Normally I struggle with fun mode vs. austerity. I think this time, I’m allowing myself to eat more fat and tastier LC food so I feel as if my WOE is fun - whereas previously I’d have been there with some steamed spinach feeling jealous of the potatoes.

I did keep quiet about the diet element, and actually put potatoes on my plate (which I then left) - which I felt a bit uncertain about. I’ve failed so many diets that I feel a bit embarrassed whenever I announce a new one. It’s been nearly 5 months with this WOE though, so I am thinking of, errr, coming out I suppose.

But then I’d have to deal with the horrid questions some of you have mentioned! So perhaps I’ll stay sneaky.

MarmaladeTeepee · 23/01/2021 08:13

Flossie weightloss is massively linked to your hormones and sometimes you can be doing all the right things and still not lose any weight (speaking from bitter experience). But even if the scales don't shift right away, long term this diet has been proven to help regulate your hormones which is why it's perfect for type 2 diabetics, anyone going through the menopause etc. So don't make the mistake I've made a zillion times and become disheartened and give up, stick with it and know that eventually your insulin levels will reset and you will lose the weight. (Although you may find you lose lots straight away, in which case fantastic Grin).

ListenLinda · 23/01/2021 08:22

Just caught up with the thread, well done to everyone who has resisted alcohol so far this weekend!
Feeling slimmer today somehow, which I know is impossible Grin
Had chicken thighs roasted in oil & herbs, with a FL of salad dressed in olive oil. Was delicious. Woke up not hungry for breakfast, left it a bit and just had a bit of greek yoghurt.
Not sure what’s for tea tonight, will go check the freezer in a bit.
Hope everyone has a lovely weekend, whatever you end up doing.

prettybird · 23/01/2021 08:27

Re "breaded" things (like chicken nuggets), I make a coating (suitable for after the first two weeks) of Parmesan, ground almonds, some flaxseed/linseed, salt and pepper and a wee bit of mustard powder. Mix all together and use to coat [whatever], which you have dipped in beaten egg.

Because you haven't pre-coated [whatever] with flour, the coating is slightly more delicate but if you coat generously with egg and then with the "crumb" and leave it to cook well before turning (if indeed you turn - not necessary in, say, a Chicken Kiev or a Turkey Parmigiana) it will be ok.

My home made chicken nuggets (chopped up pieces of chicken breasts coated in this mix) are actually dh's and ds' preferred chicken nuggets. Smile

Oh - and I beat an egg and then tip all the chicken pieces in to the egg and mix them around, rather than dipping each piece into the egg. Makes it much easier Grin

MarmaladeTeepee · 23/01/2021 08:30

That sounds amazing prettybird I'll definitely be trying that in 2 weeks.

Motivateinmotion · 23/01/2021 08:42

@prettybird adding that to the list thank you! Sounds like a good weekend dinner when you want that treat/crunch factor. Thanks

Definitelymaybeee · 23/01/2021 08:48

Lyrata - yes, it does feel great to finally be able to resist temptation especially as this is week 1 for me, but I can't quite believe it! I also get embarrassed about saying I'm on yet another diet because of so many failed attempts. I thought it was just me, didn't realise other people felt that way! If I manage to make it to 5 months like you have, I'll be telling everyone. What an achievement!

oscarandelliesdad · 23/01/2021 08:52

Prettybird, that sounds amazing Grin

prettybird · 23/01/2021 08:57

Aaaaw shucks Blush

Can't give quantities as I always just do it by look. I think the proportions are about 2:1:1 (by volume) of the grated Parmesan: ground almonds: flaxseed/linseed (or the Q10 mix which also includes ground Brazil nuts).

NotwatchingSpooks · 23/01/2021 09:10

prettybird thanks for the coating tip, I made some fabulous meatballs last night, Loosely based on a Simple Ottelengi recipe, and using a mix of beef and pork, but where I stumbled was over what to put in instead of breadcrumbs . I had a read on the recipe board and saw that BIWI used unsweetened desiccated coconut in her Thai meatballs, so I added that and it was successful, Thanks BIWI. I had it over some leftover cauliflower rice, recipe up thread and family had pasta. The recipe threads are really good and all the chat on here is great for me as it helps me to tweak recipes and think of new things to try.

After the news briefing last night I was so glad that we could sit down to an uplifting meal. It was lovely to eat something different and everyone enjoyed it.

Today
B Greek yogurt with teaspoon double cream
L Bung it in vegetable and bacon soup
D Thai green Chicken curry (Charlie Bingham) with cauliflower rice and roasted broccoli

2 coffees, Teapigs and water

Dailyhandtowelwash · 23/01/2021 09:15

That coating sounds great.

Today’s weigh in shows a 2lb gain. The glories of daily weighing. I need to do it but it can suck!

prettybird · 23/01/2021 09:20

I just add Parmesan in place of breadcrumbs in meatballs. Or nothing at all: I make pork burgers which are just pork mince, an egg, some olive oil and seasoning and a generous squoosh of Worcestershire sauce. They need to firm up in the fridge before cooking and let them cook well on one side before turning but they are yum Smile

StuntNun · 23/01/2021 09:25

Frty are they chops or steaks/escalopes with no bone? I like pork chops baked in the oven on a bed of courgette, pepper and red onion. Marinade the pork chops in a little olive oil, lemon juice, mixed herbs, paprika, salt and pepper before baking. If they're bone out then my DH makes a very nice recipe I could look up for you.

BIWI · 23/01/2021 09:27

Right - another mammoth post coming up Grin

@GorgeousGoldies

does anyone have a good, short-ish answer for the ‘won’t all that fat damage your heart?’

"You do realise, don't you, that there's actually no proof that fat damages your heart? Transfats are the only ones that have been proved to be damaging." I'd also google and find the name of one of the latest studies as proof. (If I have time later today I'll see if I can find one for you - it won't be hard, as there are so many!)

@ShagMeRiggins fantastic post about 'owning it'. Too many of us are apologetic about what we're doing, as if our own weight (and therefore health) isn't as important as other people's wants.

@nowlook

When all this is over, I'm going to pay someone (possibly Fred Sirieix) to come to my house and do nothing* but peel and chop celeriac.

Sorry to spoil your fantasy Grin but you can buy frozen, diced (and already peeled, obviously) celeriac from Waitrose.

@BrassicaBabe

^Dry fecking January day fecking 22. I'm fine AngryGrin. Am I glowing?! Am I sleeping like a log? Have I lost the body weight of a small child?! Have I bollox Grin

Grin. There's a place for you in heaven though Halo

@cheeseisthebest

Your menus:

Dinners chilli with lots of veg in and sour cream
Chicken tray bake with peppers, olives courgette, feta and chorizo
Yasa samla curry with tofu, tomatoes and peppers
Udon noodle stir fry with mushrooms and other veg
Ramen maybe with some steak

sound great - except for the Udon noodles, which definitely aren't allowed - and I hope you aren't planning on any in your ramen? (But I have no idea what yasa samla curry is!). Are you adding plenty of fat to all of that though?

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BIWI · 23/01/2021 09:29

A separate post for @kilojules, because this is really important?

A bit late in the day. I'm on day 2 of the keto soup diet

Did you not read my earlier post to you? Bootcamp isn't keto! This isn't the place for keto or any other diet, I'm afraid. You're very welcome to join us, but please follow Bootcamp rules - it can also be quite unsettling for other posters if they read what you're eating, as it doesn't reflect what Bootcamp is supposed to be about.

B: bulletproof coffee

Not recommended on Bootcamp because it lacks proper nutrition.

L: Keto chicken soup
No idea what's in this - could be fine. How much fat is in it?

S: tuna Mayo, 2 boiled eggs and lettuce
That's quite a substantial snack, and would suggest that you're hungry if you need this - probably because you're not eating enough/properly earlier in the day

D: keto chicken soup, half avocado and bacon
Again, why?

Seems like a lot. Why am I hangry?!
Because you're not eating enough and probably not eating enough fat!

Bootcamp is designed so that you eat well and are not hungry.

Had to be unsocial and sit sulking in bedroom whilst hubby and son chomping on popcorn and watching movies. I can smell the popcorn from a floor away! Need to figure out movie snack alternatives to my fave snack ever-sweet and salted popcorn. Don't like seaweed. Pork cracklings too salty for me. Nuts? but can't at the mo.. going to bed nursing my bottle of water

And how is this going to be sustainable in the long term?

If you join us doing Bootcamp I can guarantee that once you've settled into it you really won't be hungry/hangry, and you'll be eating good, nutritious food.

If you want to do keto, I'm afraid this isn't the place for you. Sorry.

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BIWI · 23/01/2021 09:40

@tea69, I hope you're feeling better today. To echo StuntNun, you do what you need to do when you're poorly, and I think you made the right choice.

@Eggy18

I am a bit confused about the not eating too much cheese. The nutritional values of the ones I have at home right now (cheddar and blue cheese) say that they have less than 0.1g of carbs per 100grams. Can anyone shed some light on this?

I love cheese! Please tell me I can have it!

It's not the carb count of cheese that's the issue, it's more the fact that some people find that dairy impedes their weight loss (plus it's also a lot of extra calories - although we don't count calories on Bootcamp, we do need to be mindful of what we're eating)

You can definitely have cheese! Just watch out to see if has any impact on your weight. You'll only find out by trial and error.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

I've had the proper munchies tonight. Even though I posted my day's food earlier I ended up eating celery sticks with boursin and another slice of corned beef. It's just as well we aren't counting calories because I dread to think what today's have been!

Nothing wrong with those as snacks, and during this first week you may still find yourself getting hungry between meals. But what are you eating the rest of the day? Post for me what you've been eating and drinking over the last few days and let's see if there's anything obvious.

@Lyrata

I did keep quiet about the diet element, and actually put potatoes on my plate (which I then left) - which I felt a bit uncertain about. I’ve failed so many diets that I feel a bit embarrassed whenever I announce a new one. It’s been nearly 5 months with this WOE though, so I am thinking of, errr, coming out I suppose.

But then I’d have to deal with the horrid questions some of you have mentioned! So perhaps I’ll stay sneaky

Why would you be embarrassed though? Surely you are important? Take the time to read up on the resources so that you have the necessary arguments to back things up - but actually nothing is more important than YOU! You simply say you're eating a lower carb diet because it's better for your weight/health. End of.

@NotwatchingSpooks

I made some fabulous meatballs last night, Loosely based on a Simple Ottelengi recipe, and using a mix of beef and pork, but where I stumbled was over what to put in instead of breadcrumbs . I had a read on the recipe board and saw that BIWI used unsweetened desiccated coconut in her Thai meatballs, so I added that and it was successful

I think that must just have been a specific recipe. Normally I never put anything in my meatballs - they don't need it. What I usually do is put onion or shallots, a green or red pepper, some garlic and a bit of olive oil into the food processor and blitz until finely chopped, and then add the mince (high fat) and process that with the vegetables - it makes a sort of paste, which you then roll into meatballs and either fry or bake. They really don't fall apart.

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ouchmyfeet · 23/01/2021 09:42

Nigella's recipe of the day looks gorgeous and boot camp friendly

www.nigella.com/recipes/chicken-with-garlic-cream-sauce

You'd have to substitute the wine/vermouth for stock as she suggests in the notes