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Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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kilojules · 23/01/2021 13:01

@MarmaladeTeepee such a good idea for the virtual run! 👍🏼I'll check out the site!
Off to dust my running shoes

Frty · 23/01/2021 13:29

Thank you StuntNun for your recipe suggestion several pages back. The pork chops are marinating!

NotwatchingSpooks · 23/01/2021 13:30

Oh and if we are having “staff” to chop our Celaric, I’m going to request Rege-Jean Page , the Duke from Bridgerton 😀😉

wanderlove · 23/01/2021 13:34

Can anyone recommend a good book on this WOE? Some previously mentioned the obesity code but I wondered if there were any others. My partner was saying that he thinks it's unhealthy and I wanted to be able to explain the science but I can't!!

StuntNun · 23/01/2021 13:40

Wanderlove The Diet Delusion by Gary Taubes is a good one. He also has a new book out called The Case For Keto.

tanoshii · 23/01/2021 13:40

@Ninkanink - I have a Le Crouset kettle and love it as it's huge and looks good. We use it with an aga, but not sure I would bother using it on an electric/gas hob. I revert to an electric kettle when the aga is turned off in the summer.

Had roasted kale and red cabbage in olive oil last night. So delicious - just hoping red cabbage isn't too carby though. The kids also love it, which is a bonus. Overhauling their diet ATM, (8&9 year old). For example, adding lots more veg to their meals, upping their fats and reducing carbs to a degree. For example, made them a shepherd pie with celeriac mash yesterday, and switched their breakfast from cereal to oats with Greek yoghurt and nuts. So shocked to see how much sugar is in Weetabix and Fruit n Fibre! They also love the egg muffins I've started making for myself, wrapped in nori.

StuntNun · 23/01/2021 13:44

Also Wanderlove, Nina Teicholz's The Big Fat Surprise is very reassuring about the health benefits of eating this way.

BIWI · 23/01/2021 13:52

@kilojules

If you scroll up to the beginning of this thread, I've posted the rules there.

That's why I keep telling everyone to RTFT. (In my head I alternate between Read The Full Thread and Read The Fucking Thread - sometimes more the latter, I have to say!)

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BIWI · 23/01/2021 13:53

@NotwatchingSpooks

Oh and if we are having “staff” to chop our Celaric, I’m going to request Rege-Jean Page , the Duke from Bridgerton 😀😉
Oh no - he's mine.
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BIWI · 23/01/2021 13:54

@wanderlove

Can anyone recommend a good book on this WOE? Some previously mentioned the obesity code but I wondered if there were any others. My partner was saying that he thinks it's unhealthy and I wanted to be able to explain the science but I can't!!
A simpler read is "Escape the Diet Trap" by Dr John Briffa.

That said, even more straightforward is all the information on The Diet Doctor's website.

Your partner is both very wrong and also very out of date! Get him to explain why he thinks it's unhealthy.

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BIWI · 23/01/2021 13:58

And to counter the accusation that a high fat diet is unhealthy - here's a bit from The Diet Doctor.

evidence also suggests that natural saturated fats are neutral with regard to health, warnings about the health dangers of red meat are based on weak evidence with very low certainty, and low-fat diets do not appear to have any special health or weight benefits beyond those of a low-carb diet

Full article is here

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ShagMeRiggins · 23/01/2021 13:59

I was doing the 5 day erm "soup" diet from the inreathetheimhungry just to get me started because I needed that strictness just for a couple of days and to take the work out of figuring out meals after work. I know it's not in the rules but I would've really struggled otherwise.

I think a lot of us understand the idea of kickstarting weight loss, kilojules. I certainly do. Plus you’re not the only one who goes outside the rules from time to time. . Honestly the only concern was ensuring you’re eating well, and healthily.

Amazing about the 6 stone loss, and this past year with your gain? Forget about it. As far as I’m concerned 2020 barely counts for anything. The important thing is you’re honouring yourself again and taking control.

And as a word of caution for those of you just doing Bootcamp for the first time, the first week will probably yield a good result. The second week might do so as well. The third & fourth weeks—as mentioned—might be tricky, but from there you should expect a 1-2lb weight loss per week on average.. I will repeat: on average.

I have a dear friend who did the Cambridge Diet a few years back. Lost loads of weight, incredibly quickly. She was miserable and put it all back on eventually because at no point did she change her palate, let alone focus on nutrition from real food rather than...ugh...basically processed milkshakes. But she definitely got a kickstart. Hmm

Lyrata · 23/01/2021 14:18

Totally agree with @ShagMeRiggins - and Why We Eat Too Much offers a great explanation for why super restrictive diets don’t work (your metabolism slows down, you’re constantly hungry, you’re miserable and stressed and you conserve fat). Why punish yourself?

StuntNun · 23/01/2021 14:23

You're right Shag that does seem to be a problem with any kind of kickstart whether it be shakes or egg fast or extended fasting - often the weight is gained back almost straight away. I know it's a cliche but slow and steady wins the race. I lost 30lb in 2013 over five months across two Bootcamps and I've simply continued eating the same way ever since. I'm now in my mid-40s with a BMI of 22. If I hadn't discovered Bootcamp then I'd definitely be obese right now. It isn't just about the weight either, so many niggly health conditions have entirely cleared up: IBS, PMT, menstrual cramps, rheumatoid arthritis, gum disease. And I feel great too - I have consistent energy, I can run around with my kids, I love my food, I can exercise and I know I don't have to worry about high blood pressure or cholesterol or diabetes like my parents do.

ShagMeRiggins · 23/01/2021 14:46

Oooh! Then I truly am Mumsnet Royalty!

“Uneasy is the head that wears a crown and wields a Big Stick.”
—Shakespeare

But you do wear it well.

We just had a snow furry here. I’m feeling giddy. Must make banana bread now for the Hormoaners to snack on appreciatively, later, in front of a roaring fire. (One can dream, right?)

NotwatchingSpooks · 23/01/2021 14:47

NotwatchingSpooks
Oh and if we are having “staff” to chop our Celaric, I’m going to request Rege-Jean Page , the Duke from Bridgerton 😀😉
Oh no - he's mine.

BIWI I’m happy to share, would you prefer alternate days or a week on week off set up 😂

nowlook · 23/01/2021 14:56

@NotwatchingSpooks

NotwatchingSpooks Oh and if we are having “staff” to chop our Celaric, I’m going to request Rege-Jean Page , the Duke from Bridgerton 😀😉 Oh no - he's mine.

BIWI I’m happy to share, would you prefer alternate days or a week on week off set up 😂

You are still talking about celeriac prep, aren't you?
BIWI · 23/01/2021 15:15

He can prep my celeriac any day.
Phnarr phnarr

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Dailyhandtowelwash · 23/01/2021 15:20

At the greengrocers today one of the celeriac on offer was chopped in half and I thought of you lot.

MrsOmelette · 23/01/2021 15:46

@Ninkanink I’d love a Le Crueset kettle! I’m always put off as have an electric job and need lots of tea all day long...but I still want one.

@ShagMeRiggins Hormoaners hahaha 😆

I’m bored whilst my bolognese is cooking (mince, celery, green pepper, wee bit of carrot, courgette, tomatoes and tonnes and tonnes of garlic yummy) and begrudging having to share it with everyone later.

ShagMeRiggins · 23/01/2021 15:47

I've not bought chicken skin yet. But if you google there are lots of online places selling it. Some look more reputable than others.

I’m not really the squeamish type, Brassica but even I don’t want to know what a disreputable online chicken skin seller looks like. I appreciate the warning.

tanoshii I love how you’re not afraid to modify the diet of your still-young children. The fo get used to it, but two warnings from my own experience:

  1. They will eat all your LCHF food, such as the muffins, because it’s there and bloody delicious. Double your recipes now.
  1. When they are teenagers they will do as stated in Point 1, plus probably eat ALL the crap sent down from the food industry.

My stepson is now 21 and has gone through both phases. He now eats well and has generally ditched most crap carbs, so I hold out hope that these lessons will see them through in the end.

StuntNun · 23/01/2021 16:03

When I search for chicken skin all I get are adverts for moisturisers and firming lotions! What are you trying to say, Google?

Ninkanink · 23/01/2021 16:09

@tanoshii thanks for that! Would you be able to link to the one you’ve got? We have an induction hob and I’ve been using a cheapo stove-top kettle on that since we moved into this house so it’d just be an upgrade.

@MrsOmelette I’ve got the idea in my head now, it would be perfect in our kitchen, and I get very obsessive about things like that...so tbh I’m not sure the potential downsides are actually going to put me off trying it...I also have tea/hot drinks a lot throughout the day but luckily I’ve already got used to using a stove top kettle over the past 6 months.

ShagMeRiggins · 23/01/2021 16:24

@Dailyhandtowelwash

At the greengrocers today one of the celeriac on offer was chopped in half and I thought of you lot.
It’s like the last sentimental bit of Casablanca, isn’t it? When they don’t know what the future holds, and are torn apart (by choice), but know that what they shared was incredibly meaningful.

“We’ll always have...celeriac.”

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