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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Week 8 - Low Carb Bootcamp - only two more weeks ... **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

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BIWI · 04/03/2019 08:56

Morning all. Sorry for lateness of the thread.

Here's the spreadsheet

As the title says, only two more weeks left! But that still means there's time to shed a couple more pesky pounds.

Hope you all have a good week

Flowers
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m0therofdragons · 08/03/2019 17:42

I understand why people say it and from the right people it's fine but a random work colleague I barely know commenting on my body shape is just weird and feels like really they're saying "omg you were really fat but now you're not" Blush

RobinHobb · 08/03/2019 18:32

It's my totm too, and I have been craving sugar/cakes immensely for the last couple of days. I had thought it was the initial low carb diet reflex but I think it must've have been oncoming period. I haven't caved except once accidentally/absent mindedly tasting my dds porridge to make sure it wasn't too hot. I have a 3yo and 1yo and I end up eating their left overs/tasting their food etc which I'm really struggling with.... any tips?

RobinHobb · 08/03/2019 18:34

I am down 0.8kg in 6 days so I guess that's something! Feel like I should wait till tomorrow though to see what 7 day progress was :-)

Condamine · 08/03/2019 18:39

Just catching up after having been on holiday. I didn't weigh this week so will leave it now until Monday, I am a bit nervous to be honest.
It's so hard to be spot on when you are on holiday and I know it doesn't take much to affect the weight loss.
I've found it a no wind woe too, unless I overeat celeriac! I was glad to read a previous poster became all gurgly with celeriac too.
I'm in the north west, would love a meet up, I'm much better in person than typing! Grin

MrsKoala · 08/03/2019 20:18

You are right BIWI, I was planning to see my GP yesterday for a pelvic exam (after the last one had to be cancelled because dd was being a screaming pita) but typically I came on my period the night before so had to cancel it. It's so frustrating, the only days I can do with childcare are weds and thurs am and gp doesn't work weds, so it's about a 4-6 week wait for the next thurs am app and then everytime I make one one of the kids is sick or I start my period. This has been happening for months now. Angry

I had my birthday makeover booked for last week and ds1 got a tummy bug and I had to cancel. Sunday I was meant to be meeting friends and DH's dad had a turn for the worst. Every single thing I want/need to do gets chucked under a bus. Angry Angry

That's one of the reasons I decided to lose weight. Because it's the only thing I have in my life which I can control. I joined the gym a month ago and have had to cancel every visit I've planned to make.

Today

B - LC pancakes with blueberries and yogurt
L - left over laksa
D - pork belly and roasted veg and mayo.

Mid afternoon I had one of those berocca rip off orangey things you put in water. I really felt low energy and I really craved one.

StuntNun · 08/03/2019 20:42

^Remember that too few calories can scupper weight loss

How so, StuntNun? I thought the whole “body goes into starvation mode and holds onto fat” thing had been debunked.^

ShagMe restricting calories triggers mechanisms in the body to increase food intake and reduce energy expenditure (by reducing your metabolic rate, non-exercise activity, increasing hunger etc.) It's this that can make low calorie dieting ineffective. However there is a huge difference between low calorie and low carb dieting...

On a low calorie diet, raised insulin levels restrict the effective use of stored fat apart from during exercise, sleep, or long gaps between meals. What we call a low carb diet should strictly speaking be called a low insulin diet. By keeping insulin levels low, free fatty acids can flow freely out of fat cells. Once in the bloodstream there's no difference between fat from your fat stores and fat from the food you just ate. This means that even though you're only consuming, say 1500 calories per day, your body is getting 2000 calories a day from the combination of food intake and fat stores. This means that, from a metabolic processes point of view, you're getting enough calories to maintain normal body functions. Contrast that with a low calorie diet where there aren't enough calories to keep the body running and carry out repair and maintenance etc. since those fat stores aren't available all the time. That's why there is a downshift in energy expenditure and an increase in hunger levels. If you cut calories too low on a low carb diet then you lose that metabolic advantage and you're in the worst of both worlds.

tootstastic · 08/03/2019 21:29

Thanks @BrassicaBabe yes, I guess it does mean my efforts are paying off.

@BIWI I am definitely going to try just smiling and saying thankyou, but when another school mum approached me this afternoon and commented, I did the embarrassed over-explaining again. I need to learn to zip it.

@venusandmars I know just the type! Better to walk away, otherwise it'd be difficult to resist poking them in the eye.

@SlinkyDinkyDoo I reckon the 'hope you're not starving' brigade are a bit jealous. It would be nice to show those idiots that we can do it once and for all this time, wouldn't it?!

@m0therofdragons Yes, it totally weirds me out too when it's someone who really shouldn't be commenting.

Siameasy · 08/03/2019 21:51

I hope you get your pelvic scan Mrs K. If you’re bleeding that much get checked for anaemia too
Around 2013 I had the same thing as you and it turned out to be fibroids plus I was anaemic - I could barely manage the stairs I was that shattered. I thought I was just lazy! Since I had my DC it’s all normal tho. Very weird!!

SlinkyDinkyDoo · 08/03/2019 23:35

But isn't BSD a low calorie diet (800 a day) and lots of people have success on that?

BrassicaBabe · 09/03/2019 03:42

(Following stunts and slinkys conversation with interest)

Oh fuck. I am a light weight. A light weight with a headache!! Sad Friday night wine of about s bottle has left me with a huge headache and waking up on the sofa at 3am. A few weeks ago when I had a little drink most nights that would have never happened!! I've downed 2 pints of water and a paracetamol and headed for bed. Dinner was indeed steak and buttered cabbage

BIWI · 09/03/2019 07:27

@SlinkyDinkyDoo Not sure about the BSD because I haven't read too much about that, but Dr Michael Moseley's latest book, Fast800 is based on 800 calories per day.

It's based on work done by the University of Newcastle, who have discovered that by restricting calories as severely as this, they can reverse type 2 diabetes. There's lots of really interesting science about the impact of a very low calorie diet.

I've just read the Fast800 book, and it makes for interesting reading. I need to read it again, so that I can get to grips with the thinking and science behind it, because going so low calorie is something we've been advised not to do!

However, what is interesting about the Fast800 diet is that it's based on a low carb approach to eating. And when you finish the 800 calories per day, you're advised to follow a 'Mediterranean' diet, which is a lower carb diet. The recipes in the book are all designed to be lower carb, as well as low calorie - so it's not just about cutting your calories, but making sure you eat a balanced low calorie diet.

He also recommends that you combine it with TRE - time-restricted eating - or intermittent fasting.

I know we don't advocate calorie counting on Bootcamp, but calories do come into play at some stage. What interests me is this move towards low calorie, but also combining it with low carb - although how you make high fat work with low calorie I'm not really sure!

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BIWI · 09/03/2019 07:30

Sorry to hear you're hanging @BrassicaBabe Grin but that's a useful lesson, surely?! Alcohol has a much more significant impact when you're low carbing. But hope the paracetamol kicks in soon Brew

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BrassicaBabe · 09/03/2019 07:43

2lbs off since yesterday too! Not paying any attention to that though...it's just dehydration. Ouchee! Going out tonight. Will offer to drive Hmm

StuntNun · 09/03/2019 07:56

Slinky you will lose weight on a low calorie diet. However there are three issues: (1) you will be hungry which makes it impossible harder to stick to the diet: (2) your metabolic output will decrease (metabolic rate, thermic effect of food, non-exercise activity levels, thermic effect of exercise all decrease); and (3) repair and maintenance will slow which, among other things, reduces muscle mass. So even when you are losing weight you will lose it at a lower rate than expected for the amount of calories you're taking in.

Then when you go back to a normal calorie intake: (1) as you've been hungry for a long time you may overeat as a compensatory mechanism; (2) it takes time for your metabolic processes to go back to normal during which weight gain may occur; and (3) regain of lost muscle mass and repair of tissues often results in a necessary weight gain which can be frustrating if you've reached your target weight or still have weight to lose. When we look at the Biggest Loser contestants they had to keep their calories much lower and their exercise levels much higher to maintain their weight loss when compared to someone of the same size who had never been overweight.

Contrast all that to losing weight on low carb where we have: (1) no need to be hungry; (2) no metabolic slowdown, in fact there seems to be a slight increase termed the metabolic advantage; (3) no reduction in muscle mass or repair/maintenance since the body's calorie needs are being effectively met due to the low insulin levels. Trying to combine low calorie with low carb can be done of course, I just don't see why you would want to. Weight loss will be slightly faster but probably not enough to make up for the disadvantages unless you need to lose weight very rapidly, for example if needed for an operation or your weight is immediately threatening your health.

The Blood Sugar Diet and the Newcastle diet (which uses shakes) are both ultra low calorie approaches, aka starvation diets, designed to reverse diabetes by mimicking the effect of gastric bypass surgery. It was observed that patients with diabetes often experienced a reversal of diabetes after surgery and Professor Roy Taylor of Newcastle University started experimenting to replicate the effect without surgery. Michael Mosley's Blood Sugar Diet is based on Taylor's research.

However you can still reverse diabetes on a low carb diet, especially if you incorporate fasting since both of these improve insulin sensitivity. Jason Fung is a Canadian nephrologist whose Intensive Dietary Management program treats type 2 diabetes with a combination of low carb and intermittent fasting - he has a lot of content on the Diet Doctor website.

All of that said, the best method of weight loss is the one that you can stick to. A lot of people like the simplicity of Slimming World or Weight Watchers and they can be easier to fit into eating out. Others like 5:2 because they only have to restrict food on two days a week which can be psychologically easier to manage. Bootcamp is a conventional low carb diet but you also get variations with carb cycling such as Carb Nite which is designed for bodybuilders and allows one carb-heavy binge per week. Intermittent fasting can be a useful addition to low carb but is by no means necessary if you don't think it will work for you. There's more to it than just weight loss of course, in my opinion the health advantages of eating low carb are significant. Not just escaping from that hangry feeling but my IBS has cleared up and I don't get period pains any more. It would be worth eating this way just for those benefits, even if it didn't control my weight.

Any questions peeps?

BIWI · 09/03/2019 07:59

I'd be really interested in your view on the Fast800 @StuntNun, if you get a chance to read that.

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ShagMeRiggins · 09/03/2019 09:08

Thanks StuntNun that’s really interesting about the fat stores. I have to admit I’m not eating loads lately, I’m just not hungry! But it’s all low carb and very high fat. Absolutely piling on the butter and oil and mayo and fatty cuts of meat, but most of my meals go unfinished. I’ll be sure to keep an eye out so calories aren’t too low.

And today...helping at scouts jumble sale all day long, starting with a quick sort and transport of all the rubbish jumble we’ve been storing for the last year. My god we have so much stuff!Shock

KiteMarked · 09/03/2019 09:43

I don't get period pains anymore, either! Maybe a small, dull "awareness" if I pay close attention, but that's it. I don't feel fatigued during the first few days of bleeding either, like before. Amazing.

Siameasy · 09/03/2019 10:18

Interesting Kite. My period pains stopped when I first discovered LC years ago. They’ve never come back to full strength but when I’ve fallen off the wagon they have returned albeit weaker. I do believe some carbs cause inflammation?

Siameasy · 09/03/2019 10:20

(Saving the stuff about low cals to read later when my DD isn’t on the rampage)

I’m being scuppered by snacks. I’ve noticed on work days I eat two meals and rarely snack. Easy weight loss.
Home days I still do 16:8 but come around 3pm (probably cos it’s the witching hour with kids) I’m like ooh snack. Nothing to do with hunger. And one snack seems to lead to another. Yes they are BC friendly but it’s a habit I am going to have to break.

MiniCooperLover · 09/03/2019 10:40

I'm liking a little snack of pate and cucumber some days

m0therofdragons · 09/03/2019 10:52

I know we don't advocate calorie counting on Bootcamp, but calories do come into play at some stage.

The first 5 weeks I used mfp to plan meals and get me into this woe. It usually came out as around 1200 calories. I wasn't aiming at that it's just what 2 meals and a significant snack too. If anything, occasionally I'd see if not had enough calories so would add extra in.

Last few weeks I've been busy and not used mfp so thought I'd mess up. I've had more weight loss and can only assume I'm naturally eating less calories. However, if I don't eat enough at meal times I do have the urge to snack so I'm mindful of that!

I did my first ever 5k park run this morning. I didn't hate it so might do it again but I've not really caught the running bug yet. Good to know I can do it, albeit slowly.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 09/03/2019 11:08

free fatty acids can flow freely out of fat cells Grin Grin Grin

I couldn't have said that last night, after a couple of glasses of wine Stunt. What a lovely sentence though - will imagine my fat freely flowing away this morning. Grin

(and yes, Brassica I had the wine headache late last night as well, so sympathy).

The stars have finally aligned to provide me with everything I need in the house to make this marvellous chicken alfredo people are recommending. Actually, enough things to make a bucket of it - do we think it would freeze well, or turn to split sauce and mush when defrosted?

Iamnotacerealkiller · 09/03/2019 11:09

Looks like my scales are behaving this morning so they are safe...for now!

a half pound off this morning, i ate a a massive chunk of belly pork yesterday ( would have been enough for 2/3 people but nibbled it over a couple of hours while i was cleaning. felt a bit sick afterwards as its sooo rich but really delicious. Made a big frittata for dinner and had two helpings of that so this mornings loss was a pleasant surprise.

I dont know about anyone else but i feel soo much slimmer, my waist looks more defined in the mirror my jeans are fitting better, much bigger difference then i should have with only 2-3lb off but then i have always thought that carbs make me 'swell up' im guessing its the anti inflamatory effect plus less bloating.

SlinkyDinkyDoo · 09/03/2019 12:49

Interesting reading biwi and stuntnun. I did mean the fast800 not BSD.

I have been experimenting this week as I'd fallen off the wagon a bit mid way through and was feeling a bit 'meated' out. No booze, no cream, no cheese, low carb, fast800 and 18:6. I kid you not! I have been a little bit hungry towards the afternoon (breakfast always a struggle for me so not hungry first thing) but with only an hour or so to go I've ridden it out. I am feeling pretty good and surprisingly sleeping better. The high fat bit is taking a backseat though as 800 calories get eaten up (no pun intended) pretty quick. I've had small amounts of olive oil and avocado.

Not saying I'm going to do this for a long time but it's definitely put me in reset mode and will be interesting to see what the scales say on Monday.

MrsTerryPratcett · 09/03/2019 15:22

my IBS has cleared up

I can't help but be a little bit angry about this. I've had it since I was a teenager. It got much worse with stress, hormone changes etc. Really impacted my life. FODMAP mostly worked but is so restrictive.

Now, I haven't had a twinge since New Year's. While stuffing lots of food I thought I 'shouldn't' eat in my mouth. I wish I'd known a couple of decades ago.

So if nothing else (and I am enjoying the weight loss) that's the best NSV I could wish for.